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GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
13·24 days agoYour paragraph about fascism reads like a regurgitated book quote. Fascism is a specific ideology created by Benito Mussolini. What you’re describing seems to be an umbrella concept that simply includes fascism. Pick a different term.
About the Belt and Road, what you described is just multipolarity and global south countries diversifying, not the US on its last legs. What would look like the death cry for the US Empire is: the dollar no longer being the backbone of global finance, US tech companies no longer leading the global stock market, and NATO becoming redundant. None of those things are happening yet.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
2·24 days agoFair enough then. Though I’m not sure most tankies generally disagree on that point as Lenin himself promotes the idea to some extent. Then again, tankies generally don’t follow most of Lenin’s logic.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
11·24 days agoEthnonationalism usually rises in fascism, but isn’t definitional to it.
Then we’re not talking about the same fascism. One can only wonder why you use the term fascism as Mussolini who invented the term includes ethnonationalism.
You can disagree with that if you wish, but that’s where I think we are at right now.
It’s not about the time period. It’s about countries visibly shifting away from the US camp. That isn’t happening yet
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
1·24 days agoAny of those is a dead end, if you don’t couple it with separate leftist organising.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
11·24 days agoThe US Empire is also short on what it needs to keep producing arms, due to tight controls on rare Earths and other raw materials from China.
Which was part of the reason behind the whole Greenland ordeal. A problem which they’ve now seemed to be able to circumvent.
The US Empire has fancier tools, but cannot produce them at the same scale they once could. Quantitative buildup results in qualitative changes
That’s because the fancier tools are higher quality and therefore more expensive to produce. Furthermore, since the cold war ended, thousands of small suppliers have been closing up by the decade because there’s no more business. This lead to consolidation in the hands of a few big players e.g., Lockheed Martin. The US could build back up to Cold War levels of preparedness if it wanted, but it’d take at least 5 years. That’s the real historical materialism here.
ideology itself has a material basis… but by treating the ongoing problems with the US Empire as a result of Trump alone you’re literally ascribing to Great Man Theory.
Ideology has a material basis, but do you know that that same ideology acts upon the material base as well? This is why i mentioned Althusser because he goes into this stuff. Also, i never said the ongoing problems of the US Empire are solely due to Trump, i only said that he’s accelerating its demise and acting as a baseboard from which other Western powers start to chart their own course. I am fully aware that real material conditions gave rise to Trump’s reign. The next step is realising how the material realities that DO come out of Trump’s presidency affect the US’s downfall and i assess them to be more than substantial.
Fascism is simply capitalism defending itself from decay
And its defense somehow necessitates an ethnonationalist character? Are we talking about the same fascism?
the fall of the world’s largest empire is quickly approaching and will likely happen within our lifetimes.
Once again, quickly approaching is a stretch. It will most certainly happen within our lifetimes, but not in 10 or 20 years.
When you pin the current downfall of the US Empire on Trump’s actions
I did not do this. I only pointed out how Trump’s actions will serve as an anchor point in the future for Western powers. World leaders themselves aren’t sitting around contemplating material contradictions and dialectical movement. All they see is Trump’s actions and how it’s harmful to their own interests. In a sense this is dialectical as Trump’s actions represent a qualitative change resulting from the accumulation of multiple quantitative factors.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
2·24 days agoLots of it is shipped over to China, Vietnam, and other countries
That’s just regular capitalism? Labour is cheaper in Asia. Even then the US still maintains a tight hold on the aerospace, armaments and tech industries and still reversed some off-shoring; most notably the semiconductor industry.
[THAAD units are being shifted over to the Middle East, which are critical for defense
The US also redeployed forces stationed in Europe deterring the USSR during the Gulf War, and yet it’s still standing strong 35 years later. They also did this during the Iraq war and Vietnam war. The real question is, “Are the US going to be overextended if China, Russia or the DPRK start escalating tensions elsewhere?” Even at that point nukes enter the conversation and it stops being predictable.
You’re identifying a partial link, but you need to take this further, that’s how dialectics works.
That’s not how dialectics works. You’re going too far and into economic determinism. Austerity policies aren’t always pursued for economic ends; they can also be done in pursuit of ideological ends.
active resistance to the war effort does change the war.
It changes it, but not damningly so. At best this shows contempt towards the current administration and not to the US Empire as a whole.
Trump is not the cause… As capitalism decays, fascism increases as the petite bourgeoisie faces proletarianization.
If you haven’t already, I suggest you look into Louis Althusser’s idea of “Relative Autonomy” in texts like For Marx and Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses. Trump is not the cause yes, but his actions still have real world effects that are not immediately tied to economic considerations. Similarly, fascism is a very specific thing. You can at best argue for general authoritarian outcomes due to the class conflict, but not fascism, as it is a specific ideology that can exist somewhat autonomously from the contradiction between capitalists and workers.
Europe is… dependent on the US militarily …they are split between needing Russian LNG …and their loyalty to the US Empire.
Your own argument just proved why the US Empire is not in its dying stages. Europe is completely dependent on the US and their influence geopolitically has only seemed to increase since their increased alliance and integration with Israel in attempts to tie down the Middle East as well. Ask yourself this question: If the US was well and truly close to its end, why didn’t EU members end up selling US bonds when Trump threatened Greenland? That’s because they’d end up tanking their own economies in the process. US debt is the backbone of the entire global financial system.
I can concede to you that the US isn’t as dominant as it once was since the fall of the USSR and that things are more multipolar now, but the current argument is about whether the US is close to its fall, and i just don’t see enough evidence supporting this claim. Don’t get me wrong, the US empire will fall at some point, but you make it sound like it’s imminent.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
2·24 days agoindustrial capacity has decayed massively
From when to when? And in what industries?
forced to pull its forces out of countries like the ROK
What forces? The US is obligated to keep roughly 28,500 troops station in the ROK under a long-standing treaty.
austerity is being brought home
Austerity is not always an immediate indication that imperialism is declining. Neoliberalism always wants austerity, that doesn’t mean imperialism is in a constant state of decline. In this particular instance, it is most due to Trump giving outlandish budget increases to the Pentagon and the DHS whilst providing many of his billionaire buddies with massive tax cuts.
the domestic support required to actually succeed.
When has domestic support ever been necessary to continue war?
I think you’re just overthinking this and what you’re noticing is a temporary (possibly permanent) slump in the US’s dominance because Trump is a colossal fuck up of a president. Were there to be any long term consequences to US hegemony, it would most likely be as a result of other Western powers becoming more wary of reliance on the US and seeking slightly more sovereignty from the US. However, i think we’re still a ways away from that outcome.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
Asklemmy@lemmy.ml•Will US have any consequences for its actions ever?
2·24 days agoIs there materialist analysis backing this claim?
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
1·26 days agoAt present yes. If you read what i wrote you’ll see that they can create a third
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
1·26 days agoBecause yank politics is the most prevalent political discourse on the fediverse
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
11·26 days agoI’m not a yank, don’t know why you’re using 2nd person. Secondly, the conditions for revolution in America are non-existent. The working class is fragmented across a variety of things, most notably cultural issues. Thirdly, i myself am skeptical of a first-world socialist revolution and believe revolution in the third world to be the most expedient issue.
The democrats are not the best option. Time and time I’ve battled this idea in this community. The democrats continuously swing further and further to the right. What’s the evidence for this? Their unwaning drive to shirk everything to the left of them, no matter how moderate (see Mamdani and Sanders 2016).
What then is the best solution for America? Well that would have to be decided by the Americans, but if i had to give an opinion, it would be to organise within a third party (the green party). America is still in love with electoralism, so the next best step is to get people the fuck out of the democratic party and into a party that actually has a shot of moving left. This party isn’t the end though, just the means; to serve as a promotion ground for genuine revolutionary leftism.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
14·27 days agoVoting in Harris or any democrats is wasting revolutionary energy; energy that could be spent elsewhere doing real organising. It doesn’t matter who has the presidency. The democrats are only the moderate wing of the fascist republican party, so them having the presidency is tantamount to republican leadership, just more moderate.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•Geneva gets close to getting why abstinance is not the best course of action here.English
54·29 days agoAbstinence isn’t the best course. However passively voting in fascist collaborators is even worse
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•"Leftists don't like my favorite fascist state >:("English
21·30 days agoAlright buddy I’m just about done here. I have nothing to gain from pursuing this argument with you further. There’s also nobody I’m likely to convince of my point reading this, so I’m done here.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•"Leftists don't like my favorite fascist state >:("English
21·30 days ago“Palingenetic ethnonationalist state that hits the 14 points of Ur-Fascism isn’t fascist”
The DPRK isn’t ethnonationalist. It’s nationalist, but it doesn’t care about creating a super race. That alone disqualifies it from being fascism. The question here is if YOU know anything Juche. The basic idea of Juche is self reliance and adherence to the guidance of the supreme leader. Nothing fascist. Totalitarian, authoritarian, whatever. But it’s not fascist. Pick up a book dawg.
It literally has all of those aspects.
No it doesn’t.
Yes, crushed under the weight of [checks notes] being unable to do business with one (1) capitalist market.
Are you fucking dense? The embargo explicitly limits Cuba from access to all forms of US technology from medical equipment to payment processors which the US has a monopoly on. It also probes any shipping vessels—no matter the country—that touch Cuban ports and extends the embargo to any countries/companies that do business with nationalised US property. As a result of all this, most countries don’t even attempt to do business with Cuba so as not to take any risks. They are completely rat-fucked by this embargo
You’re absolutely right, I’ve never noticed a hint of ethnonationalism…
The question you have to ask yourself is, “Were there ever any attempts to espouse ideology of racial superiority during Stalin’s regime?” If the answer is no, then you know to stop pursuing this thread and concede that the USSR wasn’t fascist. I’m the last Marxist you’ll find on this site defending Stalin, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let you get away with misinformation.
Maybe if you endorse the execution of another 100,000 Polish civilians
This is the fundamental issue here. You’re so hellbent on smearing the USSR that you make shitty arguments because your arguments rest on nothing but grasping at straws. Slaughtering 100k Poles doesn’t make you a fascist. Your reasons for slaughtering those Poles do. This is like calling apartheid South Africa fascist. Dude, use your brain.
I’m a leftist, fuckwit
Leftist that refuses to realise the reality of Cuba’s situation. Alright bucko.
And for that matter, fascism’s defining characteristics aren’t racial. There have been numerous non-racist fascist movements
Lol, and I’m the one that needs to pick up a history book, with shitty opinions like this from you? Alright buddy
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•"Leftists don't like my favorite fascist state >:("English
21·30 days agoI’m sure, then, you regularly object to Pinochet, the Estado Novo, and the Francoist regime being described as fascist?
Yes, because I’m very particular about definitions. Also, not sure if you know what fascist means if you categorize the DPRK as such. It’s by all means a shit state, but by no means a fascist one.
would you like to remind me what word is used for a single-party government which attempts to control and direct all aspects of society from the top-down, without allowance for dissent?
…that’s not what Cuba is? It has some of these aspects yes, but as with all things it’s nuanced.
Cuba is a repressive totalitarian state that gets glazed by some people because it has a coat of red paint.
There’s not much to glaze about Cuba other than their ability to remain stable—and moreso doing better than the DPRK—whilst being crushed under the weight of an unethical US embargo.
No, it really isn’t. Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia all read from the same playbook with regards to treating the workforce, not just the military, as part of a renewing struggle.
This just isn’t true. Fascism is about ethnonationalism. There isn’t a hint of ethnonationalism in stalinism. The primary struggle of socialist governments is the class struggle; the only struggle that moves history forward. That struggle is intensified because it can bring about socialism. Stop trying to equate that with fascism.
For fascists, domestic society is made anew and strengthened through conflict, international war is to express that supposed strength and ensure continued vitality. The Doctrine of Fascism goes into this.
Conflict as expressed by war. You’ve barely disagreed with me here.
We’re fighting for GOOD PAINT not BAD PAINT" is not very fucking convincing
Of course it isn’t, that’s why you have to do the job of reading the theory and seeing for yourself. I can only do so much here. Fascists intend to create a super race, socialists want workers in power. You decide what ideology you like better.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•"Leftists don't like my favorite fascist state >:("English
35·1 month agoIn casual conversation, using fascist to describe merely authoritarian regimes only obfuscates your argument and bastardizes the term.
Further, your characterization of Cuba is more similar to the DPRK. Cuba is not fully totalitarian, just authoritarian. That is not to defend the state of affairs over there; it could be better.
Also your language “constant renewal of society through struggle” is deliberately chosen to mirror fascist ideology even though it’s something much different. For fascists, society is made anew and strengthened through war, and not just any war but oppressive war, the kind that fosters nationalism, martyrdom and loyalty to the state. For socialists, particularly of the guerrilla and Guevarian strain, struggle and war is purely revolutionary, liberatory and progressive. It is a struggle of oppressed nations against their oppressors; this isn’t the same as fascism.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldto
MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works•"Leftists don't like my favorite fascist state >:("English
101·1 month agoHow is Cuba fascist?










You’re blaming the wrong person. The blame isn’t on Mamdani for doing what he’s doing—or rather not doing everything he should be—the blame is on the system for impending his progress.
Now there’s an argument to be made against him participating in that system at all instead of trying to usurp it totally.