• The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net
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    7 days ago

    Who is electing your government? Who is feeding the corporations by buying their products? If you think your three friends not caring, and my three friends not caring, and OP’s three friends not caring is all inconsequential and there’s no point in changing their minds, then how do you envision change happening? That is a geniune question; do you actually have a plan of action, or is it just “the corporations and governments are the ones who have to do something”?

    Like the saying goes, “no individual drop of rain sees themselves as responsible for the flood”, or something along those lines.

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      6 days ago

      Who is electing your government?

      Not me or my three friends, or any of their three friends, or any person who isn’t worth at least 11 figures.

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      6 days ago

      If you think your three friends not caring, and my three friends not caring, and OP’s three friends not caring is all inconsequential and there’s no point in changing their minds, then how do you envision change happening?

      Material conditions compress to the point that people begin risking their lives and livelihoods for the sack of access to physical necessities. The institutions that subsist on a stable, pliant public begin to fail as more and more economic surplus gets plowed into law enforcement. Food shortage and riots, combined with public hostility towards energy companies, make working in the fossil fuel sector too dangerous compared to the money it brings in. Natural disasters do enough damage to domestic infrastructure that generating and transporting fossil fuels cannot continue at the same rate.

      Like the saying goes, “no individual drop of rain sees themselves as responsible for the flood”, or something along those lines.

      Floods don’t happen because a large number of water drops decide to spontaneously leap over the side of the river bank. You need the terrain to change. You need a lot more water or a sudden compression of space all at once.

      Without that, the current keeps all the little droplets moving in the same direction.

      Now, unlike water droplets, individuals can be forces of radical change. But they need to be prepared to take radical action. Telling your friends “have you heard about this thing called climate change” isn’t going to cut it. Telling them “have you heard about this movie How To Blow Up a Pipeline” isn’t going to cut it. Telling them that you’re decamping from society to form a guerrilla chapter of Greenpeace is a start, assuming you don’t think any of your friends will rat you out to the police.

      But even then… its three droplets against hundreds of thousands moving in the other direction. And all the individual droplets know that.

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        6 days ago

        Apart from the fact that “taking action” is still not a concrete plan and your comment is still void of any real substance, are you planning on taking whatever “action” alone? Are you going to be a one-man army? Because otherwise you need to raise awareness and bring people to your side.

        By “action” do you mean voting? Are you going to do it alone?

        By “action” do you mean blowing up a pipeline? Are you going to do it alone?

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          6 days ago

          Because otherwise you need to raise awareness and bring people to your side.

          Taking individual action can be part of raising awareness if done publicly. Riding a bike around your community is an act against climate change, and an awareness campaign simultaneously.

      • The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net
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        6 days ago

        If I’m so close, then help me cross the gap. Just in your other comment you said you wished “we could have grown up discussions”, and now that you have an opportunity to have one and educate people you instead chose to go with a childish condescending jab with no substance or value behind it. Almost like everything you say is just virtue signaling BS fluff so you can throw blame at other people and avoid having to make changes in your life.