• ghf@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    For all Americans here, don’t forget the results don’t matter much, the fight continues and bourgeois democracy will never truly represent you anyway.

  • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 months ago

    At first, i agreed with the explanations based on the lack of cohesion of the democratic party, and the influence of Palestine, on the votes :

    With most votes counted, the 2024 election elected D.Trump with ~73M votes vs. ~68M for K.Harris, compared to 2020 when D.Trump was rejected despite having the same numbers(, 74.2M,) and J.Biden was elected with 81.3M votes.
    Furthermore, D.Trump would have received less votes without influent people like Robert Kennedy Jr. on his side, who still received votes apparently.
    However, third parties like the libertarian party or the Green party received much more votes in 2016 than in 2024(, and the republican&democratic parties much less). Having gained 1M votes at most wouldn’t have that much of an impact.
    While i can’t deny the influence of many pro-Palestine actors, i can’t really prove it by the numbers either, and some deny it, the voter turnout was high.
    I only took a superficial look, so i don’t doubt that there’re many americans here who could easily correct my mistakes if they want to

      • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml
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        2 months ago

        Counterpoint :) :

        Also, the high voter turnout doesn’t favor the alternative of a boycott.

        Only 2020 saw a higher voter turnout apparently, possibly because of the mail-in ballots

        • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
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          2 months ago

          It says those are expected vote totals for states where less than 97 percent of the vote has been counted. Trump is gonna end up with some 73.000.000 votes, while Kamala has 68.000.000 right now, Biden received 81.200.000 in 2020. That’s 14 million fewer votes overall than in 2020. That sounds to me like a lot of Dem voters didn’t show up.

          • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml
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            2 months ago

            It says those are expected vote totals for states where less than 97 percent of the vote has been counted

            We may have understood it the same way, yet just to be sure : The turnout is counted normally, except for states where less than 97% of the votes are counted, in which case the reported turnout has been replaced by the expected turnout.

            That sounds to me like a lot of Dem voters didn’t show up

            You’re right, if they didn’t voted for third parties, if the votes are mostly counted, if the voter turnout is the same, and if republicans didn’t received more votes than in 2020, then where did these 14M votes went ?
            Thanks for confirming that i’m missing something, don’t know if you or someone here have the explanation.

            • multitotal@lemmygrad.ml
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              2 months ago

              Well, they haven’t counted all the votes yet, but it seems that 158.000.000 total votes were cast according to an analyst from UFL, who gets info from the bureau of elections or whatever. If Trump has 73M and Kamala has 68M votes, some 2.4M have voted third party. I guess that means there are still some 14.5 million votes to be counted.

              Which seems like a lot, doesn’t it? I don’t know what’s going on, perhaps we’re making some error somewhere.

              • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml
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                2 months ago

                And if they don’t have the same source, it confirms the WaPo’s 65% with its 64.52%(, in the VEP_TURNOUT_RATE column)

                perhaps we’re making some error somewhere

                Yeah, you’re right, it’s too obvious, anyone can do 72.6M+68M+2.2M and easily see that it’s only ~143M out of 158.5, so we’re indeed making an obvious mistake somewhere

                • IHave69XiBucks@lemmygrad.ml
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                  2 months ago

                  While it is probably just that they werent counted yet can we atleast entertain the funniest outcome which is that after 4 years of yelling about how the election was stolen from him Trump actually stole the election, and hacked the voting machines or something? And a lot of the missing votes were fake? I just think it would be so funny I’d love to see how liberals reacted to that once its revealed. Like theyd probably just go “well shucks guess next time we wont let that happen”.

    • darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      It’s really hard to say. I could see the strategy of appealing to young men by telling them Trump and project 2025 are going to ban porn on top of the abortion issue pushing Kamala over the edge but right now I think Trump has an atomically small edge and seems ever so slightly more likely to win given how bad economic conditions are for working people and the tendency of Americans to change parties over things like that. Even if Trump loses if it’s close enough they can just pull a 2000 and steal it with lawyers and the Supreme Court so he has that going for him as well. Bourgeoisie in the tech sphere seem to be for Trump with Bezos and Musk seeming at least neutral or in Musk’s case all in.

    • 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      Definitely think Trump will win. I hope it’s Harris though. It will spell more chaos when the Magas do a “storm the Capitol” 2.0.

      • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        It’s definitely a toss up and hard to tell which is funnier: Trump becoming the president even after libs’ fifteen thousand or so indictments or Harris winning and mobilising the chud hordes.

    • rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      I just wish Trump(or whoever gets elected) goes insane and sanctions every country on earth. That way we can finally stop seeing the USD being used to fund fascists and rightoids in Latin America.

  • bobs_guns@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Looking forward to getting over all this crap so people can finally start campaigning for the midterms immediately

    • sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      While you are talking about the destruction of America, is the True God of Christianity, Yahweh, already selling America to social liberals and flooding American with immigrants of mixed-European origin and non-European origin as punishment for their fake school death camp genocides against Indigenous people and their refusal to confess that the Nazi Holocaust is a cheap imitation of the ongoing war crimes by the Western European empires and British diaspora?

  • rando895@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 months ago

    Last night I watched an “election special” episode of This Hour Has 22 Minutes (a Canadian political comedy, I think it’s the only one).

    2 things:

    Do “democratic voters” not see anything wrong with the “democracy ends if Trump is voted in!” line? Like, if a candidate/party/etc. is so bad that it could spell the end to your country, and your electoral system allows those sorts of politicians to not only have a platform but a real shot at power, shouldn’t you be concerned that the people you are voting for have done nothing to bolster your democratic institutions? How is it so hard to see that saying “he’s the literal devil and must be stopped!”, while doing nothing to protect “democracy” is just political theater and you are being played for fools who must choose which cult to be a part of?

    Thing 2:

    OMG THINGS ARE SO MUCH WORSE THAN I THOUGHT I know a comedy show cherry picks photos and videos, but do Americans not realize that the cult of personality surrounding two politicians IS NOT NORMAL!? It gives me the same kind of ick I felt when I was a teen visiting a friend’s Pentecostal church, everyone started speaking in tongues as we surrounded the altar (or whatever it’s called) and some middle aged white man put is hand on my shoulder from behind and started praying or chanting or something.

    I’m usually psychologically resilient when it comes to Capitalism and empire because I have developed some level of understanding. But the crazy cult gatherings I saw… That gave me feelings of dread and sadness I haven’t experienced in a long time.

    On the plus side it did help me see just how far along the empire is towards its collapse into irrelevance… But why do they have nukes? Like damn…

    I hope y’all in the usa have a pleasant day, find new comrades to organize with, and experience health, happiness, and safety.

    • USSR Enjoyer@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      One of my favorite arguments to US election hysterics is to point out that no one in that country thinks the other party should actually exist. Most voters are ideologues focused on “defeating the [opposition party]” based entirely on idpol and vibes. Nearly everyone committed to US politics actually wants a one party system, but cannot seem to form the words to express that directly.

      Like, “Do the [opposition party] make the country better?” No? So they shouldn’t be allowed to have power, right? Agreed? Okay, then you have to prevent them from getting power by voting, right? Yes? So voting for the [opposition party] is off the table? Agree? Okay then, in your view, the point of Democracy™ is to maintain a one-party system by choosing Good over Evil. Does it prevent Evil from getting power? No? Does it mitigate Evil from getting power? Sometimes? Would there be less Evil if the [opposition party] didn’t exist? Yes? Then voting is ineffective and the [opposition party] should be banned from politics? Ummmm…

  • KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 months ago

    This election has proven that the fearmongering for the Greens by the Democrats was unfounded. The Greens won 0,7% of the vote in Michigan and the Dems there lost by more than a percent

    • Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Technically, it could also mean that people who didn’t want to vote for a major party abstained from the election altogether (e.g. why wait for an hour and a half if you think not voting at all would accomplish the same thing?)

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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        2 months ago

        if you think not voting at all would accomplish the same thing

        It doesn’t achieve the same thing though. There are all sorts of narratives that can be made up about why people decided not to vote that the establishment can use to excuse its own horrific behavior. A vote for a third party is a much clearer message, and it helps said third parties build momentum, even if just on a local level.

        On the other hand, i won’t judge people who decided that not voting was the best way for them to protest, i live in Europe and voting is probably easier here, barely takes a couple minutes and we usually have polling stations within walking distance. Which is why personally i still go out and vote, not for a third party because here even the third, fourth and fifth parties are neoliberal warmonger Washington puppets, but for a party that i know will barely get a few thousand votes in my entire state, but at least is anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist and anti-genocide.

        It’s depressing but it is what it is and you have to start somewhere even if small. The most important work we do as communists happens between elections anyway. Elections in a bourgeois dictatorship are the sideshow of the sideshow. Organizing, agitating and educating is what we should be putting the majority of our effort into.

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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          2 months ago

          Case in point:

          Now i’m not sure if this graphic is accurate, and i’ve seen other reports that put Stein around 20% in this district, but either way it’s a powerful message of what happens when your candidate unapologetically supports and enables a genocide. I wish we could have seen these kinds of results for third parties all across the US, but at least this is a start.

          • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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            2 months ago

            It’s hard to read that as anything other than, ‘if you had met us halfway, you’d have won by a large margin’.