This is the propaganda I can get behind.
And with trolleybuses powered on a renewable grid, it’s zero gallons!
Or maybe tell bosses that if your job can be done remotely it should be done remotely. Then there’s more room on the bus for people who need to be in meatspace to do their jobs.
If only bosses were open to persuasion.
Now consider an electric bus
Now consider a trolley.
Are there multiple tracks?
Well, there’s two. Only problem is the often obstructions and questionable breaking system
Recently visited York (UK) and they have a fantastic bus system - and they’re electric.
Busses in my city are also going electric. So far only the local routes. The longer distance routes are still diesel
But that’ll take away people’s freedom to pay a subscription for heated seats 😔
Ah, you should see buses in my city. Dirty, thirty years old, overpopulated graves on wheels with no air conditioners.
Never again.
with no air conditioners.
Dear Faust. Are they using Soviet minibuses?
Ha! I have nothing but good memories about PAZ-3205. Fast, comfortable, with working AC.
LIAZ-677, on the other hand… now that’s a proper torture machine
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/LiAZ-677_bus_in_Bor.jpg
That one bus company in the nearby city that absolutely refuses to replace their miserable old buses 🥴🤡 while the others run modern air conditioned hybrids, and some fully electric
Then start campaigning for better public infrastructure.
VPN uses 0 gallons.
Acktually, to use a VPN, you would need to turn on your PC or phone, which uses a small but existent amount of petrol -🤓
Solar power. Checkmate, atheists.
and EV car. also fuck petrol. and gallons while I’m here.
EVs solve about 2 of the 20 problems cars create.
While that’s true, they “solve”* the two issues that are most pressing with ICE cars, air polution and fossil fuel use. I’d rather have EVs over ICEs, and I’d rather have walkable cities and robust public transit than either of the car options.
* are better, not perfect
Hydroelectricity, nuclear, wind and solar BABEEYYYYYY!!!
Hydro destroys environments, uses enormous amounts of concrete and the related disasters have killed orders of magnitude more people than nuclear.
but this isn’t new technology where you can write a 100 bullshit news article about and prais it as the next big thing because it actually works and is efficient
Yeah, but buses generally suck. Give me actual rail, thanks.
The DC Metro was amazing.
They don’t have to suck though.
And never mind the rampant spread of bedbugs and disease, being exposed to violence and sexual assault, risking being arrested simply for angering the bus driver, being made late to work or even missing it entirely because of bus breakdowns, route changes or cancellations, or any number of problems that are more easily rectified with an electric car or a bike
Yeah man because these are all inherent issues and not at all to do with the implementation
Yes, they are inherent issues. You can’t control who goes on that bus and therefore can’t guarantee the safety of passengers. You can’t control whether buses break down or if the routes will change or not, so you can’t guarantee riders will get to work on time, if at all. And in many cities, bus service is so poor that jobs will not hire people who ride the bus for those reasons.
You also can’t stop people from spreading bedbugs and disease, and we all saw how well you reacted to that during covid.
Accept that you’re just wrong on this. No matter how much you want buses to be a viable solution, they just aren’t.
Ok, I’m curious if you think all mass transport is just a no-go then. What can be done?
Electric cars, of course
Nobody is arguing it isn’t efficient. It’s a pain in the ass and I need to deal with randoms in public.
This isn’t intended to refute people saying it isn’t?
Gallons? Shouldn’t it be liters?
Shamelessly stolen from I can’t remember.
Brits use tons and tonnes as separate units? Not confusing at all
I mean there is have metric ton, british ton and american ton. Or tonne. Idk, its all the same in our language.
That’s great when all those people live in the same block and go to work at the same company and have the same hours.
But Frank lives 10 miles away and works on the other side of town. And Tim lives 3 towns over and works the night shift. Bill lives in the country and works 40 miles away. Eddy lost a leg in the war and while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station, can’t walk that far with his disability.
When it is convenient, it is convenient, but there’s a reason why when given the choice, most normal people will drive their car instead no matter what the nonsense in this subs likes to pretend is real.
Maybe your public transport infrastructure needs improvement? I don’t think this post wants to judge you— it’s advocating for public transport to be paid more attention. My cousin lives 3 towns away from her workplace— she commutes with a bus or jeepney. We have either buses, vans, or jeepneys; combined they operate 24/7. Hell, my university has students more than 5 municipalities away, the buses start operations early in the morning. Our classes start at 6:30 AM. Oh and btw, our buses have routes more than 300km. Maybe even more. Regarding Eddy, we have something in my country called a motorela or a tricycle, that operates locally in neighbourhoods. He won’t have to walk far, he just has to wait for one and let it deliver him to a waiting area.
Spoken like a true clueless 'murican. What the fuck do you think bus lines are?
can’t walk that far with his disability.
Neither he can drive. Or in some countries even not allowed to.
while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station
- This is seriously fucked.
- Powered wheelchair.
Hand-controls are a thing. Eddy is perfectly fine driving his handi-van around. He’s not too keen on when motorcycles part in between the handicapped spots though.
Jessie got shot in the face in the war, his lack of depth perception from having one eye stops him from driving.
Fred, Stephanie, Phil, Jack, and Masha all have severe hearing loss from the war (Jack’s is actually from training for the war), while they can still drive, it’s safer for them not too.
Nick, Chloe, Phil (different Phil), and Jessie (same Jessie) all got blown up in the war, driving vehicles is extremely stressful for them. Being a passenger to varying less degrees. Trains don’t seem to trigger any reaction, and busses don’t for at least one of them (not sure about the others)
It makes a good point but only if your country actually has public transport.
If you live somewhere with zero public transport, the car is your only option.
That’s why the post advocates for public transport. So that we can have better options.
The correct answer actually should -and could- be 0 gallons if they simply cycle to work. Granted, that requires them to have the right infrastructure available, but if (once) that existed, the vast majority of the work force could cycle to work happily. Most people don’t live 20 miles or more from where they work
Sure, I’d love to cycle 56km to and from work each day. Especially right after a night shift.
We should just invent portals already.
56 kms is far, indeed. Thsts what you make public transportation for. Trains, busses.
Well done, the would be more comfortable and faster than a car.
However, I did 25 kms to and from every day. Took me 45 minutes and it was super healthy
45 minutes is a long time near nightfall, though… Honestly I’d rather take a bus at 5PM, even at 12km, since there are other people and it feels much safer.
It could also be 0 gallons if the busses are electrified, or if the rail system is expanded, or if we stop pushing office workers to commute every day.
There are many routes to 0 emissions.
Oh sure.
I’m just sayjt that we need to change the way we live. Like you said, people should not be required to work in offices anymore. If they physically need to be at locations, let them walk for short distances, cycle for medium distances and use public transportation for large distances.
Most cities in the world have been redesigned over the past 80 years for cars. It’s insane and it left most cities awful places to live in. Almost all Dutch cities have been redesigned for people. So people walk and cycle because they can, and the cities look and feel amazing and beautiful.
How many gallons does the ambulance take to get the cyclist to the hospital after the hit and run?
(Seriously tho bicycles ftw except in winter)
Less, probably, because cycling in on itself is safer than driving a car. Lower speeds, less mass, less injuries.
Also, winter cycling.is awesome
I was being facetious; ambulance fuel use is a silly comparison :)
Listening to all y’all winter cyclists I lament that I live in a city where the bike lanes are where the city piles up the snow it plows off the car lanes on the streets. RIP me. It gives me hope and happiness to know that there are cities that don’t do this!
Despite having the tube and double-decker busses, London is the most traffic congested city in the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/these-are-the-world-s-most-congested-cities
According to a study conducted in 1000 cities in 50 countries based on data from connected vehicles and phones. Not disagreeing with the premise but I expect there are plenty of other more “congested” cities, visit Manila or Jakarta for example. The UK should however definitely do more to fund its public infrastructure.
Manila is hell
I was in London for a few days last year and it was pretty fine
At least in my experience most of the traffic is people trying to go into London from commuter towns, and they’ll take the motorways not the streets
