Transgender people often (wrongly) get their gender identity conflated with their sexuality. Transphobes already have a visceral reaction to a transgender person, so those feelings automatically extend to how they see a transgender person’s sexuality. And as others have mentioned they may be projecting their own perversions on other people. They have an unhealthy view of sexuality in general, which may be the origin for their transphobia aswell.
When I came out to my mother as transgender she had a hard time dealing with it. She seemed to have a weird fixation with my sexuality and sexual orientation whenever I tried to educate her on the subject, even after I explained to her that sexuality and sexual orientation is not related to my transgender identity.
My mom has always been a prude when it came to raising her boys and constantly would police our vocabulary and sexual jokes. But she had no issues making jokes and comments about my sexuality when I came out to her as a transgender woman. So I can only assume she had unresolved issues with the way she sees sexuality in a way that it makes her uncomfortable and she was projecting her own perversions and unhealthy view of sexuality onto my transgender identity. Because to her why else would I transition if not for my sexual perversions, since that’s the only way she can see world.
On a side note, ever since I started my transition I pretty much stopped watching porn all together. I masturbate less and my mind isn’t constantly fixated on sex and I’m able to experience the world through a much healthier lense. When I’m attracted to someone now, I’m not distracted by my sexual impulses as much and I’m much better able to connect with them as a person. So in short, embracing my transgender identity has dramatically decreased my uncontrolled sexual impulses. So when people paint us as some sort of deviant perverts, it’s actually quite the opposite and nothing could be further from the truth. Not to mention, our sexuality is only a sliver of our transgender identity and we don’t care for strangers making it a focus.
This is how propaganda works. Take something you want people to hate, and insist that it is equivalent to something people already hate.
They are pedo projecting. Every accusation is a confession. The ones that call random people & groups pedos without any evidence like Musk does are telling on themselves.
It’s always this. History has borne it out.
Even little babies know the difference between mommy and daddy. The shift in attitude that’s required to reform transphobia (I know) means digging into the basement of how you think of yourself and the people you love. This is threatening, it’s scary.
For the conservative, a trans person should not exist. It contradicts the ‘natural’ hierarchy or is a rebellion against God. So their must be an alternative motive: sexual perversion. So you connect the dots between “scary” and “sexually deviant” and pedophile is the natural result.
Calling a trans person a sexual threat soothes the dissonance by shifting the identity “trans” into something where the repulsion and fear make sense. Pedophilia is a box where you can put people whom you fear and hate them actively without the need to examine your own motivations or ever, ever have to look at it from a trans perspective.
well done. best philosophical/psychological post in the thread.
People were once told that if you wore the clothes of the opposite sex, you were a pervert. If you wanted to be the other sex, you were a sexual deviant. And people who have no experience outside of these views TOLD to them find out there are people out there like that, they are perverted deviants who must be doing other deviant things to. That’s how people connect the two. False logic and correlation based on ignorance.
It’s projection they don’t want to remove pedophiles from their own ranks, and demonizing a scapegoat minority group they can blame their own failures on.
They really wish these articles were about trans people instead of clergy
Because people they shouldn’t trust but do, lie to them.
Projection and prejudice, probably.
There is an ongoing attempt to create an equivalence of Trans Persons (and anyone exposing youth to LGBTQ+ ideas in any form, including loving families) to pedophiles through CONSTANT repetition, despite any lack of widespread evidence. There is also a simultaneous attempt to strongly advocate for death penalty for pedophiles. I’m sure you can see where this is heading …
Mass purge of the Republican Party and owner class?
Only if justice was class blind, but it’s not.
That door can be made to swing both ways.
Only if you have the power to do so.
If the Republican Party can purge the United Kingdom they deserve the win that’s impressive range.
Also, pedophiles are not all child molesters and vice versa.
In fact, most child abusers are not pedophiles. They victimize children not because they are children but because they are easy prey.
It’s about the power and control. If their victims weren’t children, they’d be called sociopaths or psychopaths.
Pedophilia can be easily treated but because of hate-mongers who have conflated these two things, many fear they’ll be arrested if they seek help. Even if they’ve never done anything wrong. Some do become abusers because they feel like they have no safe way of dealing with their feelings.
Trying to equate LGBTQ to pedophilia is using misinformation and lies to hurt and scare.
It’s the ultimate in hate and ignorance.
The question I want answered is was the (fake) word “pedosexual” made up by them or by trolls making fun of them?
“Pedosexual” was a false flag operation by 4channers to try and make people think LGBTQ folks supported pedos.
Was that with the MAPS thing?
What are MAPs? First time I’ve come across it.
I think it was meant to be minor attracted person or some shit. I mostly just remember 4Chan trying to lump it into LGBT+ issues
Thank you for your reply.
I honestly have no idea if MAPs are trolls or actual pedos trying to rebrand.
MAPs is a 4chan troll yes
It’s actually a very simple ploy they’ve used since before I was born (I’m not young). Anything they can paint as sexual, or that actually is out of the sexual “norm,” they will use as a scapegoat. They used it against blacks (coming after their white women), gays, and now trans. Pedophilia and rape are the two Worst Things, and if they can tie the Bad Guy du jour, that equals fear-votes. The best kind of right wing votes in all the land.
Pure propaganda.
Just before I left the right, some people admitted it was a “noble lie”, to uphold male supremacy, as if one is able to change their gender why should they even stay in highly abusive relationships.
Of course true believers will eat up the “protect the children” line, but the opportunists just want be able to beat their wives into a bloody bulb, who will still love them after all of that, they just want a stronger “cisheteronormativity”.
Because trans people are different, and they’re afraid of different people. So they make assumptions that those people are somehow dangerous. Racism, xenophobia, transphobia; it’s all the same stupid mentality.
I actually agree with bigots that we are dangerous as trans people (to cisheteronormative society). the caveat is that we shouldn’t give a fuck what they think since conforming to a violent society doesn’t benefit trans people. it’s why marginalizing pedophiles doesn’t make child rape go away, because they’re just a scapegoat for all the normal people and parents without any sexual attraction to their victims abusing children because of the power hierarchy
It’s very basic ‘think of the children’ rhetoric.
Our emotions are more easily manipulated in this way, because generally people are hard wired to protect babies and children.
So by associating trans people with paedophiles, right wingers are able to more easily hijack into what would otherwise be rational people. It also makes it more difficult to debate against because nobody wants to be labelled as someone who wants to hurt kids.
Best answer here. So much overthinking in this thread. Nope, OP nailed it, that simple, nothing need be added.
Apart from concerted sociopolitical efforts to make an underclass that can be harmed at will and blamed for everything, there’s a couple of less deliberately malicious explanation for a lot of people.
1: Category violation -> perversion -> predator -> monster.
2: I don’t think it’s real -> they are lying -> why would they lie about gender -> to lull people into a false sense of security -> predator -> monster
Both are of course incredibly false and hateful, and both of course are pushed maliciously and cynically by many, but I think some people are actually taken in by one or other of these.
It’s not meant to make sense. It’s meant to make you shut down any argument in favor of giving non heterosexual people human rights. That’s all.
