Some indigenous cultures never invented writing and are hunter gathers. They don’t have time to engage in any sort of philosophy. There’s no basis for them to even describe these ideas.
It’s not better. It’s not different. It’s underdeveloped.
Frankly if argue that grouping all the different varied cultures under the simple term “western culture” is equally reductive and unproductive. There is no single “Western Culture” just as there’s no single “indigenous culture”
You give the Romans way too much credit. They didn’t even manage to export their style of music and had their tradition supplanted by the rest of Europe: Previously they were part of the Mediterranean tradition (which nowadays people recognise as oriental, definitely a misnomer), have a listen. Nowadays they have just as much as an allergy to flourishes as much of the rest of the continent (modulo Greece but also Spain, also at least parts of the Balkan)
“Western culture” isn’t even universal in Europe. Sami and several peoples around Russia are quite distinct from anything rooted in the Roman empire. Many of them don’t subscribe to any of the Abrahamic faiths, while others only converted to Christianity in the last few hundred years.
Is it underdeveloped though? They’re certainly not the ones driving us toward the 6th mass extinction and potentially an uninhabitable earth (for humans)
Thinking about the language needed to express philosophical ideas and how language can impact your ability to form complex arguments is probably not the best use of my time. It’s pretty interesting though and I enjoy it so it’s not exactly a waste.
Thanks! Yeah I see a lot of people acting like impoverished tribal cultures are as cultured and complex as ancient and beautiful cultures like the middle east, Persia, China, Greece, etc. It’s simply not true.
Their validity, or even their level of quality as a culture, is not necessarily measured by their ability to invent writing. We are not automatically better than them just because of that, and we certainly don’t have the right to pass them off as savages.
They don’t have time to engage in any sort of philosophy.
They did. Columbus made contact with a very sophisticated culture that was soon wiped out by disease, and effectively entered a dark age from which it never recovered.
We normally divide human philosophy into Western and Eastern types. There’s some evidence that on the American continents, there was a third independently developed branch of philosophy. It was all but lost, with only oral retellings remaining.
Yea fr, the only species that can even entertain the idea of “just being” are humans, it’s not part of the natural world whatsoever, it also comes at the expense of other humans who are actually supporting the society.
I am quite confused on the people here on lemmy. On the one hand, the consensus is ‘capitalism bad’ (presumably because people work themselves to death with little to show for it). On the other hand, this post seems to be somewhat populated by people that are against the whole idea of ‘just being’ vs ‘doing’. So, what would one conclude from this?
I hate capitalism but I do feel like people get carried away blaming everything bad on capitalism, slavery and authoritarianism were present in pretty much all the cultures around before capitalism even existed and the indigenous cultures of pretty much everywhere had class and caste systems often based on religious power which itself was based on violence.
It’s so reductive to say ‘oh these people weren’t building factories so their lives were just sitting around in the sun doing whatever makes them happy’ but life in a tribe was every bit as rich and complex as modern life - generally without the luxury of being able to choose your life path, certainly for women and minorities.
Some indigenous cultures never invented writing and are hunter gathers. They don’t have time to engage in any sort of philosophy. There’s no basis for them to even describe these ideas.
It’s not better. It’s not different. It’s underdeveloped.
That’s definitely one of the opinions of all time.
I think it’s weird how we use terms like indigenous culture. Western culture is indigenous to the west.
It’s weird how the whole noble savage myth just keeps on trucking
White savior complex is alive and well
So I guess the white savior can stop saving, the noble savage can stop being noble and we can all chill, just like the meme suggests.
Frankly if argue that grouping all the different varied cultures under the simple term “western culture” is equally reductive and unproductive. There is no single “Western Culture” just as there’s no single “indigenous culture”
And that is fair and correct.
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Huh guess my culture doesn’t exist I’ll be sure to tell everyone on the reservation.
Don’t spread bad history. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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You give the Romans way too much credit. They didn’t even manage to export their style of music and had their tradition supplanted by the rest of Europe: Previously they were part of the Mediterranean tradition (which nowadays people recognise as oriental, definitely a misnomer), have a listen. Nowadays they have just as much as an allergy to flourishes as much of the rest of the continent (modulo Greece but also Spain, also at least parts of the Balkan)
…and this is just to serve as an example.
“Western culture” isn’t even universal in Europe. Sami and several peoples around Russia are quite distinct from anything rooted in the Roman empire. Many of them don’t subscribe to any of the Abrahamic faiths, while others only converted to Christianity in the last few hundred years.
That’s a group I don’t know much about. I only heard about them more recently.
Is it underdeveloped though? They’re certainly not the ones driving us toward the 6th mass extinction and potentially an uninhabitable earth (for humans)
Yes it’s undeveloped
That’s not what you said, you said underdeveloped, two very different things.
Okay sorry I think it’s underdeveloped and undeveloped. Primitive, lesser, inferior, etc.
Ah okay, so you’re bigoted, at least you admit it.
Yes, I admit it. I’m not going to play intellectually dishonest games with you or pretend I’m something I’m not.
That’s good because I think you’re a shitty excuse for a human being.
We are all flawed. Humans are inherently flawed creatures. I’m sorry you feel like this is a personal attack on you.
Imagine behaving like this with the one life you have
Thinking about the language needed to express philosophical ideas and how language can impact your ability to form complex arguments is probably not the best use of my time. It’s pretty interesting though and I enjoy it so it’s not exactly a waste.
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I like little boobs
Thanks! Yeah I see a lot of people acting like impoverished tribal cultures are as cultured and complex as ancient and beautiful cultures like the middle east, Persia, China, Greece, etc. It’s simply not true.
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Their validity, or even their level of quality as a culture, is not necessarily measured by their ability to invent writing. We are not automatically better than them just because of that, and we certainly don’t have the right to pass them off as savages.
They did. Columbus made contact with a very sophisticated culture that was soon wiped out by disease, and effectively entered a dark age from which it never recovered.
We normally divide human philosophy into Western and Eastern types. There’s some evidence that on the American continents, there was a third independently developed branch of philosophy. It was all but lost, with only oral retellings remaining.
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Spoken like a true colonist.
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Yea fr, the only species that can even entertain the idea of “just being” are humans, it’s not part of the natural world whatsoever, it also comes at the expense of other humans who are actually supporting the society.
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I am quite confused on the people here on lemmy. On the one hand, the consensus is ‘capitalism bad’ (presumably because people work themselves to death with little to show for it). On the other hand, this post seems to be somewhat populated by people that are against the whole idea of ‘just being’ vs ‘doing’. So, what would one conclude from this?
I hate capitalism but I do feel like people get carried away blaming everything bad on capitalism, slavery and authoritarianism were present in pretty much all the cultures around before capitalism even existed and the indigenous cultures of pretty much everywhere had class and caste systems often based on religious power which itself was based on violence.
It’s so reductive to say ‘oh these people weren’t building factories so their lives were just sitting around in the sun doing whatever makes them happy’ but life in a tribe was every bit as rich and complex as modern life - generally without the luxury of being able to choose your life path, certainly for women and minorities.
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A fine assessment, good chap.