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Distro hoping is fine. But there is a certain feeling you get when you can fix your own problems by reading the arch wiki
I love fixing arch by reading the arch wiki, or fixing ubuntu by reading the arch wiki
I set up my login manager for fedora and my grub for fedora using the arch wiki…
I tried to find a solution for my failing marriage in the arch wiki. The arch wiki instructed me that the problem was consulting the arch wiki. Thanks for saving my marriage, arch wiki!
or fixing windows by only using WSL and reading the arch wiki
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Well, shit. Got 2 tebibytes to transfer, guess I’d better start now, hey?
Good thing transferring 2 tebibytes is no slower than 2 kibibytes
Just attach two of these bad boys
Instead of a bird can I just use my station wagon full of tapes?
- Andrew S. Tannenbaum
MTU is technically infinite, just need a 2TB microSD card.
For shit and giggles, it should be on Arch Wiki too.
On your other Arch laptop, obviously. You need multiple pre-owned ThinkPads loaded with Arch at any given time to maintain workable redundancy, just like you need several clean pairs of programming socks.
…“clean”? Well shit, I have some work to do then!:-P
Your optimism about sock cleanliness is wonderful
Phone or use an offline copy
Going to save this link just in case the Internet goes down one day.
I saved the comment so I can download the wiki if I ever lose internet.
Not sure that’ll work, I’ll paste the Wiki here
Beginning with Part 1 of 1,204:
I downloaded all your comments so I could read them in case the Internet stops existing.
I’ve still got a backup copy of The Internet from back in the day when you could install The Internet on your computer using a cd which arrived in the post. I also have a backup pile of optical drives so if necessary I can burn you a copy of The Internet and post it to you? Though I haven’t got a copy of the postal service.
Knowledge don’t rust. What happened happened. It’s static. Sometimes we discover that a speck of dust was in the wrong place, but we got it more or less right. I mean, I could look up shit in our 50 year old encyclopedia and it would still be mostly correct…
Another option that’s available is hosting your own Kiwix instance and downloading the Arch Wiki .zim file.
I have a few other .zim’s from the Kiwix library including Alpine Wiki, Stack Overflow, Man pages and a full copy of Wikipedia. There’s a lot available at that Kiwix library which can make for a good offline digital library.
Just download it and setup on your own server
Whenever I have a Linux box without Internet I just USB tether an Android phone—if the phone is on WiFi then it uses that (not cell), so it’s basically just a WiFi adapter that’s almost universally supported. (I think it NATs, so in some circumstances won’t work, but good enough for most emergency use cases.)
I’ve never tried that. I do the wifi hotspot but what do I need to do USB tether?
The wifi hotspot uses mobile data and requires an active wifi reciever on the computer while the usb tether can use mobile or wifi data and only requires a working usb on the computer.
You basically only plug a usb data cord between the computer and phone, and then activate usb tether in the phones connection settings
With some apple laptops, you have to do something like that in order to get the firmware for the wifi chip in 90% of distros, I think endeavourOS was the only one snacking the correct AUR package right at installation 😇
I am a nerd with many computers. That helps.
Distro hoping is fine.
Yeah. I hope my distro keeps working as smooth as always. I really hope.
I use the Arch wiki for non arch stuff
That and the man pages
You ever read the man pages for mount?
Should i?
man mountY’all are using Linux for that?
The ones for goo are especially satisfying.
You guys read man pages?
I won‘t lie the Arch Wiki has not helped me once. Odd threads in the forums or 2 minute long Youtube videos, though? Couldn‘t make it without those.
Total oposite experience for me.
Me: Oh and Mint, could you also add my old printer that I can’t get to work on any other OS I’ve tried?
Mint: Sure thing.
Ha. On Windows I had this ancient Ethernet Canon IP printer. Windows hated it, even with the supplied Canon drivers and network Utility. It always needed messing with every time to get it to show up as a printer on the network.
When I moved to OpenSUSE I went into YAST2 printer discovery. It found the printer right away, and suggested a model, and asked if I wanted to install the GutenPrint driver for it. Yes please. And do you want to announce this printer to others on your network (via CUPS) Yes. Done. Worked 100% with no Canon utilities.
me: hey mint, suspend automatically.
mint: no.
me: suspend manually then.
mint: no.
me: shutdown
mint: no.
…
sudo shutdown nowsudo shutdown now
No.
For your case…
Alt + SysRq + O
no.
I find that to be the most convenient and also the quickest way.
Mint: It’s already set up
My experience has been the opposite. I built a new PC last year, and only Fedora and Arch recognized the Radeon GPU and the Intel Wi-Fi. Mint was shipping a kernel that was too old to recognize either one.
Agreed. Out of all the distributions I have tried, Fedora (and its various spins and derivatives) are what tend to have everything actually work out of the box.
My first distro has been Nobara after swapping off windows.
It really is dummy proof.
For those on the edge. Just do it. Windows 11 is free to go back to. You risk nothing by giving Linux a try.
The guy behind Nobara does a LOT of important work to make Linux usable at home, especially when it comes to gaming. And in case anyone doesn’t know, he is a software engineer at Red Hat, the company sponsoring Fedora, the distro that Nobara is based on.
Opensuse Tumbleweed tho
On new hardware it’s generally easier to use a rolling release distro in my experience.
You’re more likely to have a newer kernel and drivers that support things like wifi cards.
IMO, you shouldn’t have to learn Arch just to be able to get a new PC. Eventually, people who like Ubuntu and Mint are going to want to upgrade to a new computer, and they might be in for a shock once they do. That kind of thing is what pushes people back to Windows.
Mint has a GUI menu where you can select a newer kernel.
Thankfully Ubuntu will focus on shipping the newest kernel each release and Mint’s gonna profit of it. Also there’s newer kernels you can switch to optionally.
I tried basically every distro on my laptop and fedora worked all hardware 100% out of the box + printer + fingerprint reader + all day battery life
Fedora gnome is so good it makes Linux boring
I wish my fingerprint scanner worked D:
Honestly, the only two problems I have had at all are fingerprint scanner (like, lowest priority for me), and the battery continues to drain quickly even when I close the laptop or put it in sleep mode or whatever it’s called
Ah I’m sorry to hear that all I can suggest is trying to look up what your specific hardware is and see if there are any solutions on archwiki or something
I did make sure to get a thinkpad because I heard they have excellent Linux support so it is possible your hardware just doesn’t have a proper solution yet 🤷♀️
But I am not a coder so I don’t really know how to do anything but google and try
Unless there is an update and you have to wait for a couple of months to get all the extensions back
And then you just go to extensions.gnome.org and tell to run the extensions anyway by ignoring the GNOME version
Don’t have much experience but I run extensions designed for 45 on 49 without any problem
Unfortunately for me GNOME without extensions it’s unusable and I don’t have the patience to stay 3-4 versions behind to ensure compatibility
Edit: I wrote the wrong URL, it was .org and not .com
I didn’t know that. I’ll check it our asap, thx!!!
Fedora gnome is so good it makes Linux boring
Is this a workflow thing? I was looking at Fedora last week and I’m interested to hear what you like about it.
I’m on Cinnamon and made everything look like OSX, but it seemed like gnome would have a learning curve. And as much as KDE looks like Windows NT, something a touch more modern does seem nice.
Lol KDE looks like windows NT? Uh… No.
Wobbly windows is best thing ever by the way.
KDE looks like whatever you want.
Well, I’ve only seen KDE on TW, so maybe it was just the default theme color scheme that gave me NT flashbacks. Though I did actually mean that as a compliment. Maybe I also don’t remember NT well enough.
Gnome extensions can look pretty much exactly like kde or better depending on your taste, kde is easier to customize and more intuitive. I like that gnome is extension based with each extension being something you pick, many having their own customization and settings.
Some extensions I like: Arcmenu: start menu like windows, kde, etc. lots of layout options, replaces the hot corner big icon search menu thing
Dash to dock: use on handheld, perfect touchscreen menu customizable or (use one at a time) Dash to panel: use on desktop, even more customizable, basically gives you a panel since gnome by default has the hot corner android like app menu (which I also use mostly on the handheld, love the hot corner for moving stuff around)
Windows thumbnails (pip any window, monitor downloads or chats)
I use a lot more but forget the names, nothing really breaks if you toggle use incompatible addons or whatever it’s called. You can also edit the addon and change the version since that is what the devs do 90% of the time to update it.
I really like the top bar, hot corner, workplace swapping on mouse scroll, control center, etc. Kde is a close second for me, and I may be swapping back soon just because I get bored using the same thing. Prob not if you can’t backup your layout, really like what my gnome desktop looks like and its functional/productive.
Tophat is great for quick resource monitoring. Ddterm for a dropdown terminal. Campeek to quickly check webcam. A timer for self timing some online work I do that is self reported. It’s just perfectly setup and not crowded at all while having so much. I do miss the pop out tab sticky notes on kde.
Linux being boring is a good thing. I want my OS to be boring. I use Mint, BTW
Me: Btw how old are your packages?
Mint: Its rude to ask the age of a distro
Me: well are the maintained properly?
Mint: uhhhh… Some of them are
Mint us absolutely perfect for folks like me. I want to use my computer, not work on it. I have Blender, a couple of slicers, GIMP, a couple of DAW type programs and a few other things. Perfect computer. I have no interest in the bleeding edge. Now granted, I don’t game, which saves me some grief but I guess kinda marginalizes me these days, and I’m not even hobbyist level savvy in the console, but I do hate both Microsoft and Apple, ta-da!, Mint. If there’s a better distro for me, I don’t care, I like mint.
Ok, good for you I wasn’t arguing
That’s a big part of why I switched to OpenSuse XD
If I put my Mint computer to sleep, the wifi adapter stops working completely. 🤡
First thing to do on most linux distros, but especially mint, is turn off everything sleep-related forever.
I feel like no OS can get sleep to work properly lol
Feren OS on a ThinkPad L390 sleeps and wakes perfectly. Probably because of thinkpad
Sadly, MacOS is leading the pack with sleep working as expected. This is the most cursed timeline.
If I had to guess it’s because Apple controls both hard- and software. Sleep is a delicate business where both the OS and the hardware have to work together to get it right. Linux and Windows run on an endless combination of different hardware components whereas Apple knows exactly on what hardware their OS will run.
And in true macOS fashion it only works if you stay within the Apple ecosystem.
Applications and sleep are intimately tied to native macOS workspaces, which are themselves cursed af.
If you use an alternative manager, like Aerospace (which reimplemented workspace/tiling), then applications cannot sleep properly, leading to severe battery drain.
I’ve never really had problems with it on windows either. I use it 95% of the time as I want to continue where I left off. This includes leaving huge videogames on like Witcher 3.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, I don’t remember the last time I used shutdown function. It’s always sleep or sometimes restart after installing something
my desktop with arch (btw) also sleeps and wakes without issues
Same with my Arch install btw, suspend works fine. 🤷♂️
SteamOS gets it mostly right
My openSUSE works without issues on my ThinkPad, including sleep. Back when I used EndeavourOS on a 2015 MacBook Pro putting it to sleep caused various problems (don’t really remember what).
I’ve literally never had a problem with this…that I know about.
What are you all turning off?
Ha! It’s the one issue that’s been giving me the biggest headache through multiple distros. To be fair I believe most of my problems originate from Nvidia hardware and software.
God yes, it was fucking with my partners graphics drivers, and killed most games I have running.
Wrong target, the graphics drivers are.
I’ve been having this exact same problem. I don’t have a fix, but hey, comradery.
It’s annoying, but it isn’t feeding my data into the AIs.
Usual suspect, the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth card. Milk spoils? Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Card! Freshly divorced? Wi-Fi/Bluetooth card!
Not true, sometimes it’s DNS.
This was my exact experience with Manjaro.
I used to had linux mint in an old computer and for some reason the wifi didn’t work. I asked a couple of times how to fix it but was ignored everytime. I didn’t care because I used it connected it with the network cable, but my wife was really frustrated because she can’t take it around the house to listen to music and so. After a while of me telling her that I would fix it, she got really mad and told me that if in 2 weeks the wifi of that wasn’t working she would pay a technician to install windows on it. So I came back, not asking for a fix for the wifi bit for other distro easy to use like Mint and talked about the reason why I was leaving mint. And now, of course, people was willing to help me fix the wifi and even wrote me a script to execute on start to fix it.
When I first started using Linux, I was told that if I had a problem, I shouldn’t give a well-reasoned, well-documented description of what’s wrong and what steps I’ve tried, because everyone will ignore it. Instead, I was told to say that Linux sucks because I’m having this problem and I’d get 3.8 million angry fixes within 10 minutes.
This is true of nearly every topic.
If you’re like me and you work with computers for a living and you don’t really want to put in the hard work of fixing computers at home, you can do what I did. Which is to download an abliterated local AI and tell it what the problem is and what specs you’re working with and it will almost always fix it for you in like five minutes.
And when it doesn’t fix it in five minutes, it will destroy your operating system with whatever commands it tells you to paste in a terminal, and you were going to be wiping and reinstalling it anyway, so nothing lost.
all this time spent on setting up a local llm and reinstalling a whole system + setting it up again instead of reading the documentation 😭😭😭
Mfs can’t fix a wifi and are asked to install a maintain a local llm server.
This is how Microsoft develops Azure, except they don’t have the option of starting from scratch.
she got really mad and told me that if in 2 weeks the wifi of that wasn’t working she would pay a technician to install windows on it
That sounds super toxic tbh.
Why? Imagine your house’s door doesn’t work so you have to make a long trip through the back. You keep asking your partner to fix it. They insist they’ll get the door working. Either they can’t or don’t, doesn’t matter, but you have the money and are willing to pay for someone to fix it. Your partner insists they can fix it. I think it’s reasonable to say something like “if it’s not fixed in two weeks I’m paying someone to fix it.”
A door is not a computer. Treating your SO like your child is very toxic. If you still don’t see the problem I truly feel sorry for whoever you’re with.
Edit: A fully formed adult mind (referencing the wife from earlier) would conclude they should get a Windows computer for their very own, not manipulate and humiliate someone else.
I used to had linux mint in an old computer and for some reason the wifi didn’t work.
To me this implies it isn’t their primary computer. It’s not “manipulating and humiliating” someone else. It’s just saying, “you’ve been saying you’d fix this but it hasn’t worked, I need to use this computer for something.”
And no need to feel sorry for my wife. We’ve been together over half our lives, married for over a decade, and extremely happy with each other. My wife has done things like this to me. It’s not toxic or manipulative. Sometimes I overestimate my own skills and/or get distracted with other things.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If OP is unable or unwilling to fix a problem that is important to her, why isn’t she allowed to pay someone to fix it?
You wouldn’t say its toxic if she threatens to call a plumber after OP promised multiple times to fix the leaking toilet.
If OP installs Linux on the machine she uses, something she needs doesn’t work, and OP doesn’t fix it, she really has no other options.
Sound more like tongue in cheek to me, but it is impossible to tell from this few sentence comment.
Since when does Facebook have a distro?
That’s Fedora
Since when did they change the logo from a fedora to… this bullshit?
i always think that when i see it too. I hate that the logos are so similar
Been using Fedora on several laptops and desktops, and haven’t had issues with wifi. Or with anything else for that matter. For me, everything in Fedora just works and never breaks.
The first bug I’ve seen was recently. Apparently an update broke the ‘shutdown and update’ function in Fedora Workstation. So now when you press it, nothing happens. Then when you try shutting down, the PC will shut down without updating. It’ll update and shutdown upon next boot. Can confirm Fedora KDE is unaffected though.
For me, everything in Fedora just works and never breaks.
Apparently an update broke the ‘shutdown and update’ function in Fedora Workstation.
Hmmmmmmm
I remember this sort of stuff a long time ago. There were wifi drivers that were either linux, but closed source, or horror of horrors having to resort to ndiswrapper…
Of course, the Ubuntu derivatives made this easy enough by just including it, but Fedora was much more purist about open source and so wouldn’t even tell you about rpm-fusion, let alone enable proprietary drivers for basic network access.
Now Fedora has edged a bit more practical and proactively let’s users know about how to add proprietary stuff and the wifi industry takes Linux seriously, if not for desktop use then for all the embedded use cases they would be left out of without good Linux support. Fedora is still a bit far on the ‘purist’ side still (try to play a lot of media using dnf provided software, it will tend to break), but not as hard as it used to be)
And Kinonite by extension. I updated and restarted because I like fresh kernels.
Don’t judge me, it’s my kink OK. In my sad, pathetic little white bread life in the middle of nowhere.
This juxtaposition.
unrelated, but what on green earth happened in the inbox?
They’ll never see your question
OP is the femboy in the picture
Leaving aside Arch and Nix for the moment… imagine rating Ubuntu over Mint. The depravity of the human mind know no limits.
I tried Ubuntu first and my laptop didn’t like it, and I wasn’t even a little interested in fighting with my computer just to get to use it. The sock scale is probably fair in representing how deep the user wants to get in just to operate. As a Mint user i can say I just dip my feet in Linux to feel the not Windows.
I don’t think this is a rating, but a diagram showing how tall the socks of the users of each distro are
as a debian user, i can confirm :)
As a badminton player, we have the same length socks.
damn, my socks have been shrinking
And that’s fine I guess 😄
Damn, I need to buy longer socks.
You really do not. You’re all good.
Fedora gnome was the definition of perfect. It was so stable that it was boring. The KDE one on the other hand…… Let’s say it has never worked for more than a day for me.
Don’t you put that evil on KDE, Ricky Bobby!!
If KDE was a woman… I’d take her out for a 3 course meal, split the bill bc she don’t need no man to take care of her (or her baby), drive her home using the scenic route, walk with her from the car to her front door, then ask for consent before giving her a goodnight kiss
Back when I last tried LM gnome, it would fail to get to the log-in screen every couple weeks. So far haven’t had any major issues with bazzite kde.
Am I the only MF that prefers Fedora over the other distros?
linus torvalds does too
And his attitude toward distros is that he wants one he can completely ignore
Literally describes my last couple weeks distro hopping
