In an attempt to better understand Lemmy I’m wondering if some of you can shed a light on what the deal is between.ml and .world. The history, any significant event or a betrayal, how did we all run away from spez only to come here and throw mud at each other?

I’m sure it confuses a great deal of Reddit refugees who just signed up with the largest instance because of (in my case future proofing) reasons.

I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be and how I can be called a “Zionist” just because of my instance, and they are called “fascists” even though I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too.

Please, keep it civil!

I’m not trying to start a fight or mud slinging, it would be good if several people could say their piece and nobody shame or attack them for it no matter how much you disagree.

Thanks

  • asudox (only for mod, alt)@lemmy.worldM
    52·
    2 hours ago

    I’ll be locking this post, as I know for a fact that nothing but debates (which generate a flood of reports) happen with these .ml questions. I hope 197 comments is enough for you.

    You can find info on .ml (and probably even .world) and their behaviour in other comms, such as !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works.

    !fediverselore@lemmy.ca (even though it is currently locked) also has some info, if your instance has the posts.

  • cm0002@lemy.lol
    151·
    5 hours ago

    I think my crossposting explainer should suit, in general, admins of .ml are Tankies (authoritarian communists) who support and defend authoritarian countries in all the things they do like Russia, NK and China.

    They propagate Russian propaganda on Ukraine (They’re just being “liberated”), deny chinas genocides and NK is actually truly a socialist country and it’s authoritarianism is just western propaganda.

    The megathread linked below documents and has a more robust explainer

    You’ll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

    Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

    Or so much more, I actually haven’t updated the megathread in a few months, but there’s more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

    Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input “lemmy.ml” and apply And consider donating to individual instances instead.

    Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

    I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitalize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.

    Megathread on the issue

    Some highlights from the link:

    Dessalines, head .ml admin, lead Lemmy dev actively spreading genocide denialism https://sh.itjust.works/post/61371958

    .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

    “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

    "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

    “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

    “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

    General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

    And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

    I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

    On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

  • Stormy@thelemmy.club
    102·
    4 hours ago

    That sub is ran by people with a serious agenda. Its like the propaganda farm of lemmy. The mods beg you to stop reporting outright disinformation and the users are argumentative for no reason and aim to radicalize people of both persuasions.

  • Sergio@piefed.socialEnglish
    24·
    6 hours ago

    “See, the problem is, that this is the fediverse,” the Cat said. “You are now among weird people.”
    “But I don’t want to be among weird people here,” OP remarked.
    “Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all weird here. I’m weird. You’re weird.”
    “How do you know I’m weird?” said OP.
    “You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 hours ago

      “Fish!” said Cat.
      The machine responded, “Today’s fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!”
      Cat then said, “Fish!”
      “Today’s fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!” said the machine.
      “Fish!” exclaimed Cat.
      “Today’s fish,” said the machine, “is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!”
      Cat replied, “Fish!”
      The machine cheerily replied: “Today’s fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!”
      “Fish!” Cat repeated.
      “Today’s fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!” dutifully replied the machine.
      Once again, Cat cried “Fish!”
      The machine again said, “Today’s fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!”
      Said Cat: “I will!”

  • Ephera@lemmy.ml
    124·
    5 hours ago

    Be mindful that it’s often just a handful accounts that post this stuff.

    Well, alright, it’s actually 36 accounts with the username “cm0002”, but you get the idea.

    • cm0002@lemy.lol
      71·
      5 hours ago

      Yup, it’s just me who stands against .mls authoritarianism lmao

      Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

      I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitalize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.

      Megathread on the issue

      Some highlights from the link:

      Dessalines, head .ml admin, lead Lemmy dev actively spreading genocide denialism https://sh.itjust.works/post/61371958

      .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

      “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

      "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

      “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

      “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

      General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

      And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

      I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

      On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

  • ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.comEnglish
    856·
    10 hours ago

    Instances tend to be flavored towards certain groups of people. There are a particular group of 3 instances, one being Lemmy.ml the others known as hexbear and lemmygrad that cater to people who essentially think that all western society is corrupt and that NK, China, Russia, etc are the saviors of the world.

    lemmy.ml happens to be the flagship instance of the software creators which causes a lot of friction in terms of if they should be cut off or not.

    • taco_shale032@lemmy.ml
      131·
      9 hours ago

      The only reason I’m on .ml is because one of the communities I wanted to subscribe to was blocked on .world

      • GreatWhiteBuffalo41@slrpnk.netEnglish
        11·
        8 hours ago

        .ml was my first instance. That account is 1 month older than this one. I found slrpnk by accident and it fit my community better so I switched. I learned about the drama after lol.

            • taco_shale032@lemmy.ml
              3·
              6 hours ago

              .ml was another instance I was already aware of at the time, back then I didn’t know people formed opinions based on which instance you’re with either

              • Carl@anarchist.nexusEnglish
                51·
                5 hours ago

                It’s more about recognizing what kind of biases the user will likely be approaching a given topic with. .ml users obviously tend to skew towards viewing world events through a very specific lens, which then goes on to color how they interact with the rest of the fediverse.

                The funny part is that when you’re a .ml user on .ml, it looks like smooth sailing and calm waters. Discussion is civil and friendly, and dissent all lands within a very specific Overton window. But once you start digging deeper, you realize it’s because the entire instance is extremely heavily moderated. It looks like everyone agrees because dissent outside of that tiny bandwidth quickly gets silenced. So as long as .ml users stay on their instance, things tend to be pretty chill.

                This ironically leads to friction when those .ml users end up on external instances, because the .ml admins can’t moderate those as heavily. Plus those external users have likely seen and/or experienced the heavy-handed moderation firsthand. So they immediately assume .ml users are complicit and intentionally staying in their bubble, instead of simply being unaware.

    • Maeve@kbin.earth
      911·
      8 hours ago

      We make an attempt at seeing things from invaded states’ views.

    • Calfpupa [she/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1437·
      9 hours ago

      Interesting misrepresentation of those three instances, I’d better phrase it as “users on the three support countries that directly undermine western Imperialism when forced to choose between western imperialism or other countries.” Virtually all members there understand “critical support,” which is when you support a cause overall but are still critical of aspects of it.

      • spankysalmon@fedinsfw.appEnglish
        3·
        4 hours ago

        Ahh yes, undermine western imperialism. Unashamedly deepthroat Russian/Chinese imperialism. You are very smart!

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        237·
        8 hours ago

        Virtually all members there understand “critical support,” which is when you support a cause overall but are still critical of aspects of it.

        I don’t think that could be further from the truth.

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
          25·
          3 hours ago

          I think you’re do propagandized, you wouldn’t know truth if you look it in the face, as evidenced by your comments.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
            163·
            8 hours ago

            Years of direct personal experience at this point, the vast majority I’ve interacted with have been pathologically idealistic and manichean. Maybe I just happen to interact with an extremely vocal minority, maybe. But in any case “virtually all” is patently ridiculous.

            • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
              87·
              7 hours ago

              if someone is constantly running into bad faith attacks against socialist states and cold war propaganda, they’re going to tend to lead with defense rather than internal critique. that’s not the same as having no critique.

            • Calfpupa [she/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              610·
              7 hours ago

              Interesting, because my 4 years of experience I have found less than 5, which is why I said “virtually none.” Have you considered that maybe your own actions have caused people to galvanize against your opinions? Many who practice critical support don’t break it down for people when the interlocutor is obviously obstante.

      • Asetru@feddit.org
        1510·
        8 hours ago

        Found the tankie.

        Good to know that blocking the instance doesn’t block its users. God dammit. Can’t you tell the people on your conspiracy server to fix that so I don’t have to endure you?

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
          15·
          3 hours ago

          And you’re “that kind” of asatreau so careful with that salute.

          • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
            112·
            7 hours ago

            This obsession with east vs west is paradigmatic of tankie tribalist ideology. They can’t conceive of someone who doesn’t obsess over nationality or ethnic and cultural loyalties. Humans are humans. We should fight to be free from state oppression. Not complicated.

            • Maeve@kbin.earth
              13·
              3 hours ago

              When you guys get on board with putting a stop to the marauding, plundering, pillaging, genocide, sexual assault, genocide, and coups, not to mention wage suppression so you can have cheap gas and trinkets, those of us with a conscience would stop obsessing. Not complicated.

            • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
              39·
              6 hours ago

              It’s not “loyalties”, but culturally informed/derived ideology and attitudes and the particular brand of propaganda people are getting. This is observable, and you’re not thinking clearly about this.

              • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
                61·
                6 hours ago

                it’s not “loyalties” but … the particular brand of propaganda people are getting.

                State propaganda exists to engender loyalty to the regime. That’s the whole point.

                They are quick to jump on any “western” wrongdoing, but equally quick to dismiss much worse from their own tribe. Because they are tribalists and nationalists who favor some nations over others — because they’re brainfucked by propaganda, as you said.

                • Maeve@kbin.earth
                  13·
                  3 hours ago

                  Jesus Christ, operations gladio and condor, couping/embargoing/sanctioning every government that tried differently isn’t enough?

                • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
                  35·
                  6 hours ago

                  I think you missed my point.

                  And uhh, maybe the actual tankies that people hate so much, but that’s not what I see on .ml, at least in my limited experience. And I have no horse in this race (I’ve not only been banned/silenced on .ml a couple of times but I’m also a believer, which is usually frowned upon in these circles, for reasons I somewhat understand), I just see the enmity/friction between instances for what it is: traditional and dishonest Western imperialists who uphold the status quo but also care about optics (and because of the latter, would never admit it unlike their “MAGA” siblings who, being challenged, actually think being inhuman and coercive for material gain are positive attributes) and those who call them out for it. Whoever complains about “tankies on Lemmy” on the regular is just telling on themselves, basically.

  • ambitiousslab@feddit.ukEnglish
    311·
    9 hours ago

    I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too

    This was me (for some definition of level :D)

    I joined .ml before I really understood the differences. Even once I realised the connotation, I didn’t switch until I realised that !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works was blocked on that instance. That made me think about what instance I wanted to join (based on what communities I was most active in) and then I switched over here.

    So, there are definitely a mix of people on each instance. It makes me sad when I see people jump to conclusions based on instance, although I also understand it if 90% of their experience is of a particular type of person.

    • Alex@lemmy.ml
      8·
      9 hours ago

      I keep meaning to find another instance although as far as I can tell it hasn’t limited my access to the communities I’m interested in (FLOSS software, technology and UK politics). Part of the inertia also comes from my experience on Mastodon which occasionally sees waves of server shutdowns when the costs become too much for individual admins to absorb. At least while the core contributers continue I can be reasonably certain the server will stay up.

  • okwhateverdude@lemmy.world
    425·
    10 hours ago

    I don’t think there is any organized feud, as such. A lot of instance population is actually self-selecting. Ideological instances are common. .ml happens to be one of the bigger ideological ones. Unfortunately, they tend to support authoritarian narratives coming out of countries that like to invade their neighbors. Lots of russian disinformation comes from that instance in particular.

    • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
      275·
      10 hours ago

      i don’t think it’s so much a feud so much as .ml folks are much more hardcore and they actively proselytize their beliefs and .world users aren’t as aggressive in that way. .ml is more active and .world is more reactive, at least in my experience.

      generally you also won’t get banned in a .world community for disagreement, you will absolutely get banned for any non-group think in a .ml community.

      • spankysalmon@fedinsfw.appEnglish
        2·
        4 hours ago

        Eh I dunno’ I got banned from tv on .world for having such a gross opinion as, “Pluribus’ writing royally sucks” with many examples of how the (mild ep1 spoilers) supposedly interconnected consciousness that just wants nice things for humans made so many absolutely asinine decisions in many technical and social ways. Along with several other scientifically unsound things even within the universe of the show.

        So… I guess all that is to say, some mods/admins on Lemmy are happily carrying on the Reddit traditions of being the worst users.

        • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          i remember when reddit mods didn’t ban you for having different opinions than them, but that was 15 years ago.

          hell, some of the places i was on reddit the mods would defend people’s rights to have differing opinions and thoughts and beliefs. but that starting changing in the mid 2010s with the influxed of ID politics nutjobs who started becoming mods or harassing older mods into compliance with their insane beliefs that people are inherently evil or good based on their politics or their physical characteristics.

          the irony always being that ID pol people scream they are the proponents of ‘empathy’ but their ideology doesn’t believe it can genuinely exist between people of different identities.

      • Calfpupa [she/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1413·
        9 hours ago

        .world users have the benefit of all current propaganda pushing their positions so it makes sense they don’t feel the need to talk about it. I have been banned by many .world subs simply for linking evidence against claims, while I only was banned from .ml once when I unintentionally promoted hurting someone (and was unbanned when I messaged mods about it, which has yet to happen on any .world).

  • Grimy@lemmy.world
    91·
    7 hours ago

    It’s over blown tribalism imo. There’s a handful of accounts that are always fighting each other. The rest are just normal people.

  • worhui@lemmy.world
    94·
    6 hours ago

    There is no ‘deal’

    There are some extremely active and vocal users on .ml that have a specific view point that they feel is extremely important.

    You will see that viewpoint expressed not just on political posts, but in the comments of seemingly unrelated topics.

    It seems that .ml was defederated from world to keep some separation of that view point and other topics.

    You are still fully free to join any instance you want. You can even find community here to post that content if you wish, but there is a more active and vibrant community on .ml for that content.

  • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
    165·
    8 hours ago

    It’s libs Vs commies on an instance level. And, with Lemmy being a Western online space, libs are more numerous. 👍

    • cm0002@lemy.lol
      7·
      5 hours ago

      .ml admins are Tankies, they’re authoritarian communists

      As defined

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

      Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

      Here’s a megathread on them

      You’ll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

      Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

      Or so much more, I actually haven’t updated the megathread in a few months, but there’s more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

    • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2010·
      6 hours ago

      They’re not communists. They’re tankies: nationalistic authoritarians who defend police state brutality and “alternative facts” to spread disinformation courtesy of Russia and China. They’re obsessed with a west vs east tribalism and nationalism.

      Also, I don’t think you mean liberals strictly, but socialists — demsoc, socdem, anarchists, whatever.

      Anarchists don’t respect nation states or arbitrary class divisions, which clashes hard with tankies’ rabid nationalism.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
        93·
        6 hours ago

        i don’t see it as east/west tribalism or nationalism at play, it’s generally people identifying what they see as a lesser evil in the situation. when it’s not interactions with hostile liberals i see plenty of earnest discussion in these spaces, literally ‘putin is someone lenin would have had shot’.

        for me if i’m referring to liberals it’s anyone with a reformist orientation towards capitalism. if people are pushing that then they are more likely to compromise on important issues if given any individual power

        MLs share my analysis of capitalism and imperialism. i can have disagreements with them about organization and process while agreeing on the fundamentals. plus they won’t call the cops on me.

        with liberals half the time i’m arguing about whether capitalism is even the problem, or having to point out to them that war is actually bad. that’s a much bigger gap than disagreeing about revolutionary strategy.

        • spankysalmon@fedinsfw.appEnglish
          1·
          3 hours ago

          You seem to constantly be ignoring the fact that tankies are specifically hypocrites about it. We all KNOW tankies will say left wing opinions in the general sense.

          The problem is they don’t apply leftist morals to EVERYONE. They have pet beliefs and often a favorite communist/anarchist dictator that they’ll actively defend.

          Why would you even care about the opinions of someone that cannot understand that supporting any dictator basically by definition removes you from many ideologies of the left??

          We shouldn’t suffer hypocrites. If something is bad because the act is bad, it’s bad when ANYONE does it. Period.

          We can discuss what bad acts may be necessary to recover things from the tyrants in charge and the worthiness of such acts, but to pretend that things like indiscriminate mass murder and open war are somehow good actually is to completely fail the moral test, IMO.

          Basically… they’re people who fail the logic of, “two wrongs don’t make a right”. Or a more direct expression, “the ends don’t justify the means”.

          They’re exactly like conservatives in that they don’t care about others and are actually glad when the “correct” people are hurt.

        • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          104·
          3 hours ago

          Having strong opinions about reforming vs overthrowing capitalism doesn’t make you a tankie. Apologetics for state violence and Russian and Chinese totalitarianism certainly does; just as defending Israeli wrongdoing makes you a Zionist; and defending Trump makes you a fascist, etc.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
            84·
            6 hours ago

            They’re obsessed with a west vs east tribalism and nationalism.

            Having strong opinions about reforming vs overthrowing capitalism doesn’t make you a tankie. Authoritarianism and defense of state violence and the Russians and Chinese dictatorships certainly does.

            isn’t this just the tribalism that you were just complaining about? every state is authoritarian and has plenty state violence, if i’m going to have issues with that it’s going to be with the states i actually live in.

            not wanting to engage with propaganda narratives about state enemies from my own state doesn’t mean it’s automatically a defense of what other states are doing

            • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              4 hours ago

              No. I don’t care about any nation state, only about the badness of dictatorships. Tankies defend Russian and Chinese dictatorships in particular.

              Interestingly, they don’t defend (and often even condemn) other dictatorships. This is a feature of their tribalistic ideology and a product of propaganda. Concepts like “state enemies” are meaningless to me. I apply moral rules universally to all people and hold their behaviors to the same standard, regardless of their imaginary nation.

              One last thing. Russia’s favorite propaganda is that everyone lies and democracy is impossible because state violence is universal. They don’t deny their wrongdoing (the way China does), they embrace it with whataboutism. Saying “all states have violence” is meaningless. Of course all statehood is based in violence. Yet clearly Taiwan and China have very different approaches.

              To whit, I have no rights in China. They could literally disappear me for this comment.

              • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                32·
                4 hours ago

                then we share a position that all states are bad; i have particular ire for ones that are outright dictatorships of capital. that includes the US, all of its allies and some of its enemies.

                i live in the US, so i am going to be loudest about about what my state is doing internally and what it’s sponsoring abroad. i am going to treat the propaganda narratives it produces about its enemies with suspicion, and that should not be construed with ‘defending’ anything.

                it often does though.

      • hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de
        73·
        7 hours ago

        No you libtard! Marx wanted name calling and calls for slaughter of entire nations.

        Remember, ever threatening and ever weak and disgusting enemy is the base idea behind communism.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        16·
        4 hours ago

        What of authoritarian? Can you give examples of states that aren’t?

        • yeahiknow3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          4 hours ago

          Russia’s favorite propaganda is to claim that democracy is impossible because state violence is universal. They don’t deny their own wrongdoing (the way China does): they embrace it with whataboutism.

          Saying “all states are authoritarian” is meaningless. Of course all statehood is based in violence. Yet clearly citizens of Taiwan and China have different relationships with their governments.

          To whit, I have no rights in China. They could disappear me for this one comment.

          • Maeve@kbin.earth
            12·
            3 hours ago

            Hysteria isn’t a good look. Unless your family are wealthy corrupt.

  • one_old_coder@piefed.socialEnglish
    4013·
    10 hours ago

    I know nothing about lemmy.world, but lemmy.ml and hexbear.net are filled with tankies (aka angry teenagers IMHO) and have been defederated with a lot of instances.

    lemmy.ml is writing the original source code of Lemmy, but I don’t remember any betrayal. Most users are not throwing mud, we mostly and politely ignore each other I guess.

    (anyway, come to https://piefed.social/ instead because it’s the best frontend!)

  • chunes@lemmy.world
    162·
    9 hours ago

    I keep some lemmy.ml communities on my feed because it’s refreshing to see news out of china that while likely propaganda, is at least not the usual flavor of propaganda.

    • bunkyprewster@startrek.websiteEnglish
      191·
      9 hours ago

      When I read other countries’ propaganda, it makes me realize how much US ruling class propaganda passes through unnoticed

  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
    83·
    7 hours ago

    Only thing I know is someone has a bug up their craw about .ml and made a bunch of accounts to repost .ml stuff to .world. It was kinda a good thing because I think this user is part of the reason my attitude toward blocking being an overall good thing evolved. I mean I realized it before from mmo chats but I think it kinda solidifed it for me. Other than that there is grousing from folks but overall I just block communities im not interested in and users that interact in ways im not cool with.