And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

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    You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.

    This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you’ll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with ‘Day-One Dictator’ running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won’t be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.

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      Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won’t vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are “purity test” losers is…well, its a take.

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        Yeah, no, if the opinion is that “This decades-long US policy of supporting a foreign country isn’t ending now, therefore, everyone in the US and in Palestine can get fucked, including me and all of my family members”, that’s not an opinion worth taking seriously.

        You can say it’s an understandable emotional reaction, but it sure as shit isn’t a reasonable one.

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          What’s unreasonable is acting like not supporting the active genocide of your own people is unreasonable.

          Especially since you’re conflating genocide with apartheid.

          I have friends that have lost the ENTIRETY of their extended families, you sick fuck.

          Mother, father, sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts and uncles all murdered in a single fucking night.

          I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing. Or, at least, not if you had any human decency.

          Edit: changed lost to murdered because they didn’t just mysteriously die.

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            I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing.

            What, looking them in the eye and saying “Voting for millions of minorities in America to be oppressed and killed isn’t going to save anyone, but it sure as shit will kill and oppress millions of minorities”?

            Sorry that I feel that “MORE people need to suffer” is not a reasonable reaction to suffering?

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              Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.

              Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.

              What is your problem with Trump again? You don’t have a problem with genocide.

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                Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.

                As opposed to be willing to sacrifice everyone else out of… what, spite?

                Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.

                Fascists don’t go to war because they’re scared, though they often are scared as well. Fascists go to war because human suffering is their highest goal.

                You wanna explain to me what oppressing millions of minorities achieves, other than human suffering?

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                  You want to explain to me what your are not willing to sacrifice in the ‘name’ of democracy?

                  You’re okay with genocide.

                  You’re okay with separating kids from their families and throwing them in cages.

                  Seriously, what is it about Trump that you’re not willing to support?

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                    “Why do you not want the worse candidate?”

                    Huh. I’m not really sure. I guess it must be because they’re fucking worse on every issue.

                    I’m not okay with genocide or ‘secure border’ insanity. But I also recognize that cutting the brakes and saying ‘all aboard the fascism express’ is not a fucking improvement.

                    You want to explain to me what your are not willing to sacrifice in the ‘name’ of democracy?

                    Please, tell me about your totally-not-fascist alternative to democracy. I’d love to hear it.

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            This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?

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              This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?

              Holy fuck, this is the stupidest and worst fucking take outside of pure genocide cheerleading I’ve ever fucking seen for justifying a fucking genocide.

              This genocide could be stopped tomorrow if the US stopped providing weapons and money for the genocide.

              This isn’t some stupid fucking “White mans burden” (I have trouble writing that out because of how despicably idiotic it is) bullshit. If we stopped giving one side the bombs, they would stop falling on the fucking Palestinians. We are directly responsible for the murder of their family members, and you’re arguing that they need to vote for the single individual that could stop the murder with one phone call.

              You want Palestinians in the US to continue paying for and supplying the bombs, shells, and bullets being used to kill their family members. And you’re justifying it with language that is supposed to be used for arguing for justice. Yay for intersectionality!

              You know those memes of a bomber decked out in rainbow flags as it drops bombs on some ‘enemy’ of America? That’s you. You’re using the language of progressivism to justify murder. Good job.

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      I’m sorry if not supporting genocide is a purity test. Ohh, fuck workers rights too. And let’s add on the endless wars/drone strikes that Democrats like also.

      Enjoy having no standards and morals.

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      I am starting to think this is Chuck Schumers secret account with this dumb ass, proven wrong “for every liberal vote we lose, we’ll gain two suburban moms” math.

      It’s amazing to me that you’re more angry with the people who can’t vote for an ongoing genocide, then you are for the fucked up undemocratic private process of the Democratic party that is forcing someone unpopular enough to lose without the left because of the genocide.

      Also, you know when lgbt people say that they won’t accept rights by abandoning their trans brothers and sisters? You’re the blue MAGA fuck they’re talking about.

      Preserving a democracy that sacrifices people or commits genocide is not really preserving a democracy, it’s preserving mob rule without protection for minorities.

      You’re in love with a process that doesn’t exist anymore.

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      Biden has lost Michigan at this point. Biden is putting Democratic strongholds at risk with these policy decisions.

      We need a new candidate and we need them now. Biden will not win like this, and no amount of water carrying on your part can change that.