If they don’t want money to be a birthright they should make it so money isn’t necessary to stay alive
Hmm, that could definitely be phrased more powerfully.
- If they don’t want money to be a birthright, then poverty and destitution shouldn’t be free?
- Life’s necessities shouldn’t be paywalled if they don’t want birthright funds?
- To oppose money as a birthright is to support survival not being held hostage by financial scarcity?
Or whatever. Idk, I spent too much time on this. It was fun though!
Nah, theirs was better.
That’s fair
Theirs was better, but I salute (and upvote) your effort, it’s good to try and improve our messaging.
This other commenter did pretty good though:
I’m sure the average Republican would say being alive isn’t a birthright either.
Unless you’re an embryo.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…
– US Declaration of IndependenceI disagree with
3(e: actually 4) words in that sentence, but I’m struggling to find a single phrase that modern conservatives agree with.Republicans in 2024:
❌ Form a more perfect Union
❌ Establish Justice
❌ Insure domestic Tranquility
🙄Provide for the common defense
❌ Promote the general Welfare
🖕Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
The 16* Characteristics of Fascism:
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Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes.
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Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.
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Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.
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White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.
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Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.
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Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.
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Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.
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Rampant sexism.
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Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.
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Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.
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Religion and government are intertwined.
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Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.
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Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.
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Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.
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Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state.
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Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.
I’d put green ticks on nearly all of those, and the only ones I wouldn’t are only because they don’t have the unilateral power to do them yet. I’m confident they will do them the moment they can.
Surely gerrymandering and making voting as difficult as possible for working individuals gets at least partial credit to 15, no?
Yes, and J6 and the rhetoric that followed gets them all the way there. Trump has literally told his voters on multiple occasions there’s no point in voting because it’s all fraudulent.
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If you aren’t desperate, they can’t exploit you
“A hungry dog is an obedient dog” is an actual quote from one of these ghouls.
Who said that?
Survival is a birthright you absolute fucking vultures. We made money a requirement for that.
And it’s not like you can screw off into the forest to live a self-sufficient life either, because I’m pretty sure that’s illegal in most places in the world. If the forest isn’t already devoid of resources due to human activity that is.
It’s also just a ridiculous proposition. So much media tells us this is possible, but no, it’s not, not even if you find a virgin jungle. Professional survivalists who train and study for it still wouldn’t be able to actually live a full life - at some point you’re vulture food without society. We’re cooperative, tribal animals. That’s our strength, and we’ve built economic systems designed to take that strength from us.
‘Is money a birthright now?’
Only for some. Or are we outlawing inheritances as well?
Rich Republicans and their useful idiots: vampire hissing sound DEATH TAX! additional hissing
UBI is the perfect capitalist solution to the majority of problems. It should allow for less market distortion and could have some really interesting outcomes.
I’m very excited to see a first world country use UBI.
That an externalities can go a long, long way in this world.
Capitalism depends on the threat of homelessness to function. UBI can definitely ameliorate the problems of capitalism, but capitalists will constantly fight it. UBI is also a great idea within socialist economies, where there would be no force against it. We should be doing both - eliminate capitalism and provide UBI.
Capitalism depends on the threat of homelessness to function.
No it doesn’t
UBI is also a great idea within socialist economies, where there would be no force against it.
Maybe. But socialism is a stupid inefficient system, so it’s a non starter.
UBI works very well with the market based capitalist system. That’s where I think it will shine.
No it doesn’t
It kinda does. Do you think people enjoy working for near poverty wages? They don’t. But they can’t afford to say no to poor pay because it’s still better than no pay. If people weren’t worried about becoming homeless they’d demand for higher pays. In that sense capitalism does depend on the threat of homelessness to drive down the wage to make more profits.
But socialism is a stupid inefficient system, so it’s a non starter.
How to say you don’t know anything about socialism without saying you don’t know anything about socialism. I’m going to give you an example of it working on a smaller scale because US kept sabotaging most national attempts to have socialism. Worker cooperatives are socialist and I recommend looking up the history of Mondragon, a successfully ran cooperative for over half a century now.
You guys are really bad at understanding basic economy theory.
It works on supply and demand and assumes that everyone works rationally and with full knowledge.
The invisible hand of the market finding the optimal solution is basically the 0th law of capitalism.
Now economic policy, you’ll be amazed to understand is about fixing inefficiencies that do not allow for optimal conditions. Tonnes of people go learn about what are the issues with capitalism and how to make it better, that’s what economic testing is about. That’s why it’s better than socialism because it’s competitive and strives for change.
If people are forced to work for poverty wages then they are losing their true value and capitalism would be about trying to fix that value. If everyone had UBI that would equate the negotiating position of workers and they wouldn’t have to take poverty wages. That’s why UBI is the capitalist solution to that problem in capitalism. It allows to market to work the way economists want it to work.
Ah, so the economists you paid someone to tell you to read are better than the ones they read on their own.
Hey, what’s your contribution to the field?
I’m interested in reading a book of yours.
Ah, so the economists you paid someone to tell you to read are better than the ones they read on their own.
In short yes. There have been a 1000 years of development into the formal education system. That has lead to the industrial revolution and other other countless things.
Youtube videos are great but it’s not quite the same.
Hey, what’s your contribution to the field?
Fuck all. But it doesn’t mean my knowledge of the field isn’t in the top 1% of the world.
Bro, you’re out here saying Marx was a 1000 year old pre-industrial economist… Might want to reconsider your placement in the rankings.
Did you know that the US does not have a capitalist system? In fact, it’s silly to think of “capitalism” and “socialism” as systems at all. They aren’t. They are broad systemic feature sets. You’ve probably heard the phrase “mixed economy”. That’s actually what nearly every nation has, a mixed economy, meaning that we have socialist, as well as capitalist, elements. In fact, without socialist elements, the capitalist elements of our economy would have self-destructed a long time ago. You clearly have no idea what capitalism or socialism even are. That’s fine, most people don’t, it’s pretty much the norm, but now that it’s been pointed out to you, you have a choice: learn, and grow, or be a stubborn fool. Hopefully you choose well.
Haha I have a degree in economics. That why I can see all the shit you tankies write as just plain wrong.
But I’m sure your youtube video on Karl Marx makes you an expert on these things.
People don’t use words as absolutes. America is largely referred to as a capitalist country. My saying that isn’t incorrect. But you can argue technicalities of words all you want, communism sucks or (mixed economies heavily leaning to communism sucks).
It’s literally a capitalist solution it’s so funny.
I’m a Lifelong Republican and I LOVE how the Republican Party is a CHAMPION for the Working Class! Money is NOT a Birthright unless you’re already super rich and then it’s OK to suck at the Government’s Teat!
Lol I came so close to downvoting. You really need a /s in there.
How do you live in Louisiana and not realize your government hates you
Please, ban it. I dare you. When other states introduce UBI, watch people across the political spectrum leave for greener pastures.
Except for the poor, who don’t have the money to move, and who need it the most.
Yeah there’s several states I’d move to if I could move my job there and I already had guaranteed affordable housing.
Unfortunately neither of those things are ever likely to be true, certainly not at the same time. I can’t afford to move.
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What is standing in the way is capitalism
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Depends on how you define conservatives? If you categorize the entire US political spectrum as conservatives (and economically, they are), then sure. In the prevalent usage of the term, that’s not true, because liberals are just as much a barrier because they are capitalists. The entire US political spectrum is ideologically liberal save for a few fascists on the right, and both are capitalist ideologies.
all of America is Liberal (socio-economic philosophy, not the “left” catchall) and thus they are all conservative
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There is a neat and simple solution for every problem, and it’s always wrong
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You could blame Nader and the 100k Florida Progressives who couldn’t hold their noses and punch the chad for Gore for that. And then remember it in November.
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Stephanie Hendon, 34, lived in a shelter while her husband was living on the street, making it difficult for them to raise their four kids. After a year of payments from the Austin Guaranteed Income Pilot, she had a three-bedroom apartment, a new car, clothes for her children, a new job, and new financial strategies for the future.
This is what GOap fights against: The literal improvement of peoples existence.
Never vote Republican. They hate you!
“Money isn’t a birthright” says political faction in favor of tax-free inheritance for its filthy rich members. More at 11:00.
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That’s different. Those inter-generational landlords went out and earned it.
Could you do what they did? No, I didn’t think so!
It’s not easy being born to the right family, if it was easy everyone would do it and it wouldn’t pay so well! Duhhhhhh
:P
They do realize all that UBI eventually filters up to their capitalist overlords.
They are not that dumb. (Tuberville nonwithstanding)
They just like to fuel the culture wars, and to divide and conquer.
Capitalists depend on the threat of hunger and homelessness. UBI undermines that.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the past year, Arizona, Iowa, South Dakota, Texas, and Wisconsin legislators have introduced bills to ban income programs, arguing they are too costly and could make participants too reliant on the government.
GOP Rep. Lupe Diaz, who authored the bill, specifically attacked a 2022 Phoenix program that gave $1,000 to 1,000 low-income families each month for a year, pulling from federal relief funds.
The Arizona news comes shortly after Iowa GOP state Rep. Steve Holt introduced a bill banning basic-income programs, which he called “socialism on steroids” at a recent hearing.
GBI programs “undercut the dignity in earning a dollar, and they’re a one-way ticket to government dependency,” Republican state Sen. John Wiik, the bill’s sponsor, said at a February committee meeting.
Bettencourt noted that Uplift Harris, which received over 48,000 applications within the first three days, could violate a section of the Texas constitution stating the legislature cannot give counties the authority to grant public money for individual aid.
Ivanna Neri, senior director of partnerships at UpTogether, which partnered with Austin for the pilot, told BI that attempts to ban basic-income projects don’t often consider that these programs could have long-term impacts on wealth inequality and could power the economy.
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Is money a birthright now?
No but there are a lot of birthrights which are increasingly only available if you have money.
The system used to be to give those things away for free to people who can’t afford them - but that’s changing. Just giving money to poor people is far easier.
Also you free up a ton of people from bureaucratic administration jobs so they might do usefull, productive work.
there are a lot of birthrights which are increasingly only available if you have money
This is the logical consequence of the anti-new-deal/anti-desegregation/anti-civil-rights jurisprudence that turns on capital supremacy and property rights trumping the notion that the state has an interest in protecting any other sort of right; it’s something the capital supremacy folks have always wanted but which the desegregation crowd finally joined in on when they thought they could get segregation back by backing capital’s ability to smuggle discrimination under the skirts of its property interests.
When you look at the White Flight phenomenon and correlate it to the widespread disappearance of public 3rd places, When you notice that state colleges and universities lost funding and started hiking tuition shortly after desegregation meant black and brown people could attend them, it sure looks like Americans were faced with the decision to have desegregated public wealth or no public wealth, they chose the latter
Social security for all!
