Donald Trump on Wednesday launched fresh vitriol against the judge and prosecuting attorney in his New York business fraud trial, carefully skirting a gag order imposed on him just a day prior.
Trump tried Tuesday to bully a court clerk, sharing false conspiracies about her as well as her personal information. Presiding Judge Arthur Engoron issued a gag order later that day prohibiting all parties involved in the case from publicly discussing court staff.
While Trump avoided mentioning court staff on Wednesday, he went all out with attacks against Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
“This is election interference. They made up a fake case, these fraudulent people,” Trump told reporters. “And the judge already knows what he’s gonna do. He’s a Democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice.… He’s run by the Democrats.”
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How it came to this does not require deep analysis. Unchecked conservatism naturally leads to fascism. This has been the case throughout history.
The conservatism in the Democrat party is slightly checked by the progressives, but the Republicans have done nothing at all to check the conservatism in their party. So, now they are a fascist party. Simple.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. It always has been
A useful analysis would go deeper.
Republicans have done nothing at all to check the conservatism in their party
Ok so why haven’t they? And why does so much of the population support the fascists that the Republicans have become?
Ok so why haven’t they?
I would argue because it’s useful to have the circus and distraction, they have things they don’t want to see the light of day, and/or they believe they and their buddies are above the law.
And why does so much of the population support the fascists that the Republicans have become?
Because they’re fed a diet of propaganda over decades that they believe whole heartedly and refuse to hear otherwise no matter what the evidence is. “Republicans aren’t the fascists! Antifa is!”
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Yes. The governments of the Soviet Union and the majority of the population were famously socially conservative.
Your disingenuous question reminds me that every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
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Every word.
Haha.
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There are a handful of examples already that we can look back on, Weimar Germany for example…
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nobody has the balls
He’ll let them steal what they wanna steal and hurt who they wanna hurt as long as he’s in power and the moment he fucks up someone else will be along to destroy him and you can join the crowd saying “Oh we had no idea, what a shame”. As long as them don’t let him sucker them into committing crimes on his behalf Trump is a gift to the Republican party, someone who can loudly be what they feel compelled to be quietly, then just be disposed of when he’s no longer useful.
nobody has the balls
He’ll let them steal what they wanna steal and hurt who they wanna hurt as long as he’s in power and the moment he fucks up someone else will be along to destroy him and you can join the crowd saying “Oh we had no idea, what a shame”. As long as them don’t let him sucker them into committing crimes on his behalf Trump is a gift to the Republican party, someone who can loudly be what they feel compelled to be quietly, then just be disposed of when he’s no longer useful.
I’m utterly unsurprised. The man is incapable of keeping his big mouth shut.
It’s actually a weirdly little mouth.
He can swallow his own first with it though.
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Has there ever been a whiny crybaby like this guy before?
Elon Musk kinda comes to mind, but Trump shits all over what Musk has done…
So far… lol
What a trainwreck of a man. He could have just let SpaceX do it’s thing and pretend he was the super tech genius behind it and be loved for life. In a way I am glad, him messing around with Twatter and Tesla keeps him distracted from breaking the one smart investment he ever made.
So is this when he gets locked up for contempt of court? What consequences does he face for violating the gag order? If nothing, it’s just business as usual…
He didn’t violate it.
I’m suspicious he didn’t violate something for once
Dictators just love shooting themselves in the head, don’t they
Unfortunately it happens long after their damage has already been done
Isn’t the judge part of court staff? Which he just discussed publicly?
The cornered coward will lash out at everyone and no doubt would back and suggest/support an armed civilian conflict if it meant delaying his inevitable upcoming demise
to paraphrase a Russian training manual: the end state of a useful idiot is to burn them down in a way to cause maximum damage or confusion
causing another US civil war has been a foreign intelligence goal for years, and trump is dumb and evil enough to do it for them
As much as I hate to admit it, falling victim to the same tactics that we used in most of South America is probably just deserts.
He did it once
Throw him in the clink.
What about Hillary’s email server? 😂
Buttery males!
I don’t know if it’d be considered legal under the constitution, but someone needs to issue a blanket gag order that basically says he’s not allowed to say anything to the public, directly or indirectly, until after his trials are over. Otherwise he’s going to keep finding loopholes that allow him to get past the gag order.
That would be a First Amendment violation, because it would also prohibit legal speech. The only way he’s not able to reach the public is if he’s in jail.
If he goes to jail - a justifiable sentence for continually violating gag orders - his minions will call that a First Amendment “Deep State” thing. And they might not be far from the truth.
It’s going to be really bad, the more he threatens people. It’s going to even worse if he goes to jail.
Edit: I wanted to add, “The only way he stops sending his threats is if he dies,” but that’s not even true.
If he dies of natural causes, or an accident, or by murder - doesn’t matter. His followers will blame their enemies, and they will act. There is no way this all ends with anything but violence. The only question is when, and how much.
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Dig that hole deeper and deeper.
Is the judge not a member of the court staff?
I haven’t been able to find the exact text of the order. When speaking about it, the judge kept referencing “members of my court staff” and a reasonable argument could be made that that did not include the actual judge.
Let’s just hope the judge can clamp down on Trump over all this. Also when I normally say “don’t threaten anybody in my family” most people wouldn’t misunderstand it as “but you can threaten me, totally fine” but I wouldn’t be surprised if trump asked his staff who he could lash out at while staying within the gag order and this is what he came up with.
I think the judge has to keep their eyes on the prize, which is finding the most equitable outcome for all parties.
That only includes trying to keep Trump inline insofar as his behaviour might jeopardise an equitable outcome.
That means protecting court staff so they may execute their duties, but issuing orders needs to be balanced against the chances trumps supporters will believe the final ruling is inequitable.
True to form, that’s exactly how Trump has responded to this gag order “see! It’s all rigged!”
finding the most equitable outcome for all parties.
Letting Trump abuse his national platform to pervert and prevent the course of justice has nothing to do with fair treatment.
Also, as it’s a somewhat adversarial thing, an equitable OUTCOME would defeat the point. Especially in the case of Donald where there’s no doubt about his guilt.
The main job of these lawsuits aren’t finding out whether he’s guilty, it’s locking down the facts in such a manner that the worst bad faith and illogical but still following the letter of the law arguments against reality can’t gain legal traction.
Edit: having read the rest, I am now convinced that you’re using the wrong word. It’s fairness, not equity.
No matter the outcome and any circumstances, including letting him get away with hundreds of times more than a regular defendant, his cult following will continue to claim that he’s an innocently persecuted martyr. That’s how cults work.
Tl;dr: Trump is already being shown excessive leniency and basing anything on the reaction of a cult is lunacy.
An equitable outcome means that everyone’s interests (including the public’s) are appropriately weighed.
My point is, it’s the outcome which is important. The more bs there is along the way, including gag orders et cetera, the more fertile ground for discontent later on.
And my point is that the appropriate weight to give to the comfort of the obviously guilty and blatantly manipulative Trump’s wish to threaten and defame without consequences is none.
As for discontent later on, that’s a given, since his cult will believe his claims no matter how obviously false ni matter what anyone does or says, so trying to please them is a lost cause.
The only significant effect of imposing a general gag order is on the safety of those he’ll vilify to his unhinged and frequently violent cult following.
That and the news will be less saturated with his nonsense, but that’s just a very pleasant bonus.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23979185-trump-gag-request
It looks like that’s the criminal trial gov v trump org and it’s the request for gag order by the state.
Is this it? Unfortunately things are hard to find and I am new to this.
Well, that’s one of his gag orders, but it’s from the DC case. But I really appreciate you going out of your way to try to find it - thanks!
I tried :)
You did! There’s just so much going on with him that it’s getting really hard to keep everything straight :)
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