This isn’t bitching so much as a curiosity. Here in Lemmy.ml, would it be considered abusive for an admin to actively participate in a discussion, then get upset and delete the same comments they themselves have been replying to?
I’d just like to clarify the administration posture of this instance. There are lots of accusations of unfairness here. I don’t know if that’s an individualistic thing or a matter of policy.
Mainly asking so I can more easily identify what discussions are not safe to participate in.
Cheers!
Idk if it’s actually a lemmy.ml thing or what, but coming from lemmy.world, every time I see a post from .ml, like half of the comments have been deleted by moderator(s). In general, .ml seems to have really heavy handed censorship and it gives me a really bad perception of .ml overall.
I agree there. Then you look at the mod log and it’s stuff like “Hamas is bad” or “Stalin wasn’t so great” Or “China is pretty capitalist”
Then you look through the mod log and something like 50% or more of removed comments are all from .ml
Definitely wouldn’t make it my home instance
This is the post that made me think about it
Compare the deleted comments to the mod log and it’s just like… wuht?
And every single post in the thread was deleted by the same guy, who just drops the same post with a ton of links to questionable sources to every comment before deleting them.
https://lemmy.world/comment/10157921
Yeah my post there got removed and in my inbox it was cited as ‘Spam,’ even though I was commenting on how that post had (as I said previously) most of the comments removed by moderator(s).
Tbh .ml is feeling less and less hospitable every time I interact with the instance, which sucks cause when reddit fell, .ml was my go-to. I don’t even want to use my .ml account anymore on principle.
Yeah it’s unfortunate
And now I’ve been shadowbanned. I can’t vote on topics there anymore. I know which user it is too, since there’s only 2 mods and one hasn’t done anything in 3yrs. Hint: it’s OP of the post. Is there a way to report unfavorably run communities to the .ml server owners?
I mean, it’s davel. I can see it in the mod logs.
How is that shown in the mod logs?
Must be because I’m on Voyager then. I can’t find a way to access mod logs through the app.
Now they’ve removed my comment that was calling them out, and I didn’t even get a message on why (like I don’t anyway know the answer is ‘mod abuse’).
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I mean look for yourself. It’s right there.
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it looks like OP was posting CIA propaganda. Here are some resources:
Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ
Explanation of what happened https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/
Translation of official government explanation
https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/
Tankman full vid
https://youtu.be/GRb4VY2dU4c
So your assertion is that Tiananmen square didn’t happen, and the OP was banned for saying that it did happen?
Edit: does anybody else find it suspicious that this comment is this account’s only one?
Dude just read the resources and watch the videos. This isn’t a debate.
You injected discussions about Tiananmen Square into this debate. It came out of nowhere.
And I simply don’t accept the official Chinese picture of what happened. There is plenty of evidence of what happened.
What I do accept is the nuance. But you’d have to read the rest of my responses to understand that.
Huh? The point is not to accept a single source as authorative. If you watched the videos you’d realize the western account is a complete fabrication. You obvious didn’t look at them at all.
Examine ALL evidence from the event. Testimony from the Chilean embassador who was nearby at the time. All videos, photo, WikiLeaks diplomatic cables.
I don’t think you’re here on good faith as you seem to have no intellectual curiosity. I was SHOCKED when I saw the full tank man video and the footage of moloktov cocktails being thrown.
It’s highly suspicious yes, lol
Also not what I posted
I also wasn’t banned so… idk.
get back to reddit glowie
I don’t know what a “glowie” is.
I don’t much care for Reddit, thanks.
Edit: you almost got my with your misdirection and muddying of the waters. Fair play.
But seriously, do I understand the original post I replied to correctly? They’re saying that the OP was banned for asserting that there was a massacre in Tiananmen Square, and then presents evidence that it didn’t actually happen?
The OP was correctly banned for spreading misinformation.
The OP was supposedly banned for spreading information that supports that an event happened (The Tiananmen Square massacre), which is something that one of the most repressive media regimes that exists in the world (China) is trying to deny.
That sounds like the use of moderation powers in support of another government’s propaganda.
I just wish .ml would be more open about whose government propaganda is allowed, I guess, which echoes OP’s question.
Is it all of .ml where only Chinese propaganda is allowed, but US is not? Russian disinformation is ok, but not English? What are the lines, assuming I am interested in taking part in discourse on .ml?
Except that the event didn’t happen, there was no massacre in the Tiananmen Square. And the event that did happen in actuality is wildly different from the propaganda you’re regurgitating. Also, have no idea why you feel the need to sealion into discussions on .ml when it’s clearly that you fundamentally disagree with the views majority of people here hold.
Things did happen there. It’s very well documented, even in the sources the other person posted. There was conflict and there were deaths, of both protesters and of Chinese military/police personnel.
I’m not regurgitating any propaganda, except perhaps implicitly in my use of the word “massacre” that is quite loaded. Aside from this brief exchange I have not said anything about Tiananmen Square anywhere.
I wish to participate on .ml because I have a deep seated interest in politics, political theory, and policy. I like having my views challenged from the left of me, and accessing alternative media.
What I don’t enjoy is being constantly attacked using various logical and argumentative fallacies, and I don’t appreciate authoritarianism or the silencing of oppositional views.
Edit: and the overarching reason is that I detest echo chambers, and because of how .ml mods and admins act, I’m finding it almost impossible to break out of my own. I’m learning that it’s because .ml seems to be another echo chamber where dissenting opinions are simply silenced rather than addressed, which really sucks.
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You’re constantly insulting people. That’s why your comments keep getting removed: you’re just being an asshole, not actually having any discussions.
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… the most recent time you’ve had your comments removed was because you were calling people children and fascists, without engaging substantively at all?
And my comments, which insulted you in kind, were also removed. So you’re just wrong.
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You’re being ignorant of your own actions.
If you want to have conversations with people who aren’t exactly like you then you need to soften your approach.
You just calling people children if they do lot accept your binary worldview is not engaging with people. And many of them were k. Fact trying to engage with you. You’ll notice that their comments were not removed.
You’ll also notice that you and I were among the only to have our comments removed. It’s because you were the only person to report to the mods. And then I did the same when the mod clearly had no interest in actually reading your behavior, so I reported your insults in kind to the moderation team.
You literally started the escalation to moderation because you couldn’t take me insulting you, so you reported it.
I am of the mind that dissenting and even occasionally mean spirited discourse is good. It’s why I thought lemmy would be an improvement over other online spaces, which is generally true except for .ml, where if I try to inject any nuance to international relations I am simply called a “liberal.”
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Wow, so brave. It must be so hard for you to be oppressed here on Lemmy.
Also, again, I didn’t report you until long after the moderators over there showed no interest in actually cleaning up the thread. When they showed their unwillingness to actually read your comments, I reported them.
Look at the timing: I had that exchange with the moderator before your comments were removed. You literally tried to shut down conversation when it got rough for you.
See, you’re doing it again. You’re just insulting. This isn’t how to have a conversation when you want to actually understand another person, or reflect on your own actions.
I don’t assume that a person who disagrees with me on the internet is automatically a child white supremacist ultra-nationalist, which is what you did all over that thread and in others.
My comments that insulted you were removed. The ones where you called people “children” were removed. Notice that not all of your comments were removed, just the insulting ones! There’s a pattern there, if you can just take off your emotional blinders and see it.
You were just starting shit. Which is why I insulted you, and had my comments removed. Tell me about how you inject nuance into a conversation? Is it by calling people with different views than you “children?” Because… that’s not injecting nuance. That’s being an asshole.
We are all quaking in our boots.
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How did anything he just said directly insult you?