Trump endorsed the campaigns of Cornel West and Jill Stein over the weekend, saying they're spoilers who will help him win in the fall by chipping way at Biden's support.
I just posted the OP story there. I commented there once calling her a Russian puppet, and linked a story about it, which they called biased, despite everything was documented including pictures of lunch with Putin, and of course it was removed.
I didn’t post there earlier, only commented, Maybe the reason my post is the only one that isn’t jimmydoreisalefty, is that it hasn’t been deleted yet?
Previously I commented on this post: https://lemmy.world/post/16567090
Their campaigns are undeniably good for Trump, but I don’t think that makes them Trump allies. Besides Jill Stein attending the same dinner as Putin, and accusing the west of encircling Russia, mind elaborating your view of her being a Russian asset?
Edit: Hey all you down voters, how do you expect to get your point across when actually curious people ask simple goddamn questions about your position and you act like they just slapped your mom
Trump ally or not, West’s campaign is being aided by the GOP in North Carolina and Arizona and probably other states as well. So whether or not he is Trump ally, he is at minimum an ally of the GOP.
In answer to your edit, those down voters probably assumed you were sealioning. Your post history suggests to me that that’s not likely though. Maybe they just vehemently disagreed with your assertion that they are not Russian assets. Anyway, here is some reading about West and Stein that you might find enlightening. I’ve included snippets but if you really want to learn, I suggest that you follow the links and read the whole thing. Personally, I’m convinced that they are working for Putin and anyone working for Putin is allied with Trump.
But as he campaigns for president, West is moving beyond the DSA and forging bonds with far-left activists who call for the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, who support the Chinese and North Korean regimes, and who are associated with communist organizations and Russian state propaganda operations.
Stein is pals with Vladimir Putin and his team: She joined MAGA extremist Michael Flynn as the only Americans to sit with Putin at a dinner in Moscow in 2015.
At an event in New York that same year, she met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. – NBC News; Jill Stein
The Russians helped Stein in 2016: “Russians working under the direction of the Internet Research Agency, the firm run by a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, tweeted the phrase ‘Jill Stein’ over 1,000 times around the time of the election. The posts were often accompanied by variations of the same hashtag, ‘Grow a spine and vote Jill Stein…’ – NBC News (December 22, 2018)
And Stein touted their propaganda in return: In 2015, Stein “recorded a video from Moscow’s famous Red Square, in which she talked about ‘the need to rein in American exceptionalism’ and replace ‘a U.S. policy based on domination’—words that sounded like they were ripped from Putin’s talking points.” – POLITICO (June 20, 2017). During the campaign of 2016, Stein “parroted the Russian position on Ukraine and criticized the U.S. for installing a government in Kiev ‘hostile to Russia.’” – NBC News (December 22, 2018)
She still sounds like a Russian propogandist on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine: “Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire - in which ‘overextending’ and defeating Russia is only one small part of the picture… In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia’s border.” – Jill Stein (February 24, 2022)
I’ll give you stein but just because west shared a stage with a couple tankies doesn’t make him a Russian asset. Yeah he wants an end to the war but that seems motivated by a legitimate fervent anti-imperialist isolationism rather than a sympathy for Putin.
Neither Putin or Flynn are tankies. Not even remotely. Putin is realistically fascist. And Flynn is a fascist cheerleader. If my choice was between supporting them or tankies. I would support tankies every single day. And I really don’t like tankies or other similar authoritarian types. But they are slightly better than fascists like Putin
I was talking about Cornell west, the article the other commenter linked was saying he was turning hard left because he spoke at a conference that had the PSL (ml tanky party) candidate and some China simp speaking as well, even though he didn’t endorse them or even talk about them.
Old article about West being funded by Harlan Crowe. Whatever he believes, he thinks it’s worth doing something the worst people in our society want in an election that’s between a conservative Democrat and a fascist. He knows he’s not going to advance left wing causes, he could go on Sunday shows for that, and he doesn’t mind advancing fascist causes in exchange for their money. He may just be delusional rather than a deeply indebted sell-out, but if it were the latter his actions wouldn’t look any different.
I am not necessarily a fan of west. But my guess is that he’s a victim of his pride and unwittingly / uncritically supporting the worst element around unintentionally.
But they’re absolutely is a third option. Compromat.
I also do not know what motivates him, but when his actions and impacts are indistinguishable from someone actively aiding fascism, I don’t think it’s really important for us to parse that. He’s an educated man with no known mental impairments, regardless of motivations he knows what effect his campaign will likely have.
If you were trying to actually build a green party from the ground up in American politics, would you platform local candidates, build your bench, develop campaign offices nationwide, and actually try guiding policy - or would you drop your hat every four years so that disillusioned voters can protest vote for you?
Oh boy just looking at that picture, and then think how Mueller let that piece of shit traitor Flynn walk. That investigation was drawn out, and in the end he had done almost nothing of substance, and Mueller followed every single “direction” from the white house.
Try to compare that to how Bill Clinton was investigated and hung out for something of little relevance, not illegal, and besides the mandated investigation!
Republicans are so fucking corrupt! Including Mueller.
Besides Jill Stein attending the same dinner as Putin, and accusing the west of encircling Russia, mind elaborating your view of her being a Russian asset?
“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
I pointed out the two things a knew about Jill Stein and asked for elaboration, and you’re making it out as if I knew several things about her and am just trying to incite a thrashing response.
I’m just trying to engage in regular conversation, there’s no need for you to try to make me feel stupid – I’m already coming from a place of ignorance. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your knowledgeable position, patronize away.
Now, where are all those users who said Jill Stein wasn’t a Russian asset?
!jillstein@lemmy.world
There’s an actual community? Haha, pathetic.
I just posted the OP story there. I commented there once calling her a Russian puppet, and linked a story about it, which they called biased, despite everything was documented including pictures of lunch with Putin, and of course it was removed.
Pretty sure you’re the only person to post there other than jimmydoreisalefty
I (briefly) accidentally downvoted you out of habit before realizing this is not the usual propaganda…
I didn’t post there earlier, only commented, Maybe the reason my post is the only one that isn’t jimmydoreisalefty, is that it hasn’t been deleted yet?
Previously I commented on this post: https://lemmy.world/post/16567090
“I’m not Russian!” - angry orange
probably currently downvoting you (and me. cry some more putin lover)
Their campaigns are undeniably good for Trump, but I don’t think that makes them Trump allies. Besides Jill Stein attending the same dinner as Putin, and accusing the west of encircling Russia, mind elaborating your view of her being a Russian asset?
Edit: Hey all you down voters, how do you expect to get your point across when actually curious people ask simple goddamn questions about your position and you act like they just slapped your mom
Trump ally or not, West’s campaign is being aided by the GOP in North Carolina and Arizona and probably other states as well. So whether or not he is Trump ally, he is at minimum an ally of the GOP.
In answer to your edit, those down voters probably assumed you were sealioning. Your post history suggests to me that that’s not likely though. Maybe they just vehemently disagreed with your assertion that they are not Russian assets. Anyway, here is some reading about West and Stein that you might find enlightening. I’ve included snippets but if you really want to learn, I suggest that you follow the links and read the whole thing. Personally, I’m convinced that they are working for Putin and anyone working for Putin is allied with Trump.
West
Stein
I’ll give you stein but just because west shared a stage with a couple tankies doesn’t make him a Russian asset. Yeah he wants an end to the war but that seems motivated by a legitimate fervent anti-imperialist isolationism rather than a sympathy for Putin.
Neither Putin or Flynn are tankies. Not even remotely. Putin is realistically fascist. And Flynn is a fascist cheerleader. If my choice was between supporting them or tankies. I would support tankies every single day. And I really don’t like tankies or other similar authoritarian types. But they are slightly better than fascists like Putin
I was talking about Cornell west, the article the other commenter linked was saying he was turning hard left because he spoke at a conference that had the PSL (ml tanky party) candidate and some China simp speaking as well, even though he didn’t endorse them or even talk about them.
Old article about West being funded by Harlan Crowe. Whatever he believes, he thinks it’s worth doing something the worst people in our society want in an election that’s between a conservative Democrat and a fascist. He knows he’s not going to advance left wing causes, he could go on Sunday shows for that, and he doesn’t mind advancing fascist causes in exchange for their money. He may just be delusional rather than a deeply indebted sell-out, but if it were the latter his actions wouldn’t look any different.
I am not necessarily a fan of west. But my guess is that he’s a victim of his pride and unwittingly / uncritically supporting the worst element around unintentionally.
But they’re absolutely is a third option. Compromat.
I also do not know what motivates him, but when his actions and impacts are indistinguishable from someone actively aiding fascism, I don’t think it’s really important for us to parse that. He’s an educated man with no known mental impairments, regardless of motivations he knows what effect his campaign will likely have.
Strictly speaking I don’t disagree.
If you were trying to actually build a green party from the ground up in American politics, would you platform local candidates, build your bench, develop campaign offices nationwide, and actually try guiding policy - or would you drop your hat every four years so that disillusioned voters can protest vote for you?
What does Stein do?
I’m not sure, that’s why I was asking the individual to elaborate. Thanks.
She runs for president and nothing else.
I don’t know why people got on your case about it, it wasn’t a bad question. I only felt that a rhetorical point had to be made
Do both.
The question is what does she do, not what should she do.
The Green Party in the United States is a joke.
I only wish it were not so.
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/red-alert-putin-puppet-jill-stein-and-her-russia-friendly-agenda
Oh boy just looking at that picture, and then think how Mueller let that piece of shit traitor Flynn walk. That investigation was drawn out, and in the end he had done almost nothing of substance, and Mueller followed every single “direction” from the white house.
Try to compare that to how Bill Clinton was investigated and hung out for something of little relevance, not illegal, and besides the mandated investigation!
Republicans are so fucking corrupt! Including Mueller.
Booyeah, preciate it
“All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
I pointed out the two things a knew about Jill Stein and asked for elaboration, and you’re making it out as if I knew several things about her and am just trying to incite a thrashing response.
I’m just trying to engage in regular conversation, there’s no need for you to try to make me feel stupid – I’m already coming from a place of ignorance. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your knowledgeable position, patronize away.
The point is that the things you listed are, even just by themselves, more than enough to conclude that she’s acting against America’s interests.
Linkerbaan is going to be so hyped about his boy Cornel (who is totally not controlled opposition /s) getting a shout-out.