Hello, fellow morons. Left and right libertarians are natural allies. If your edification reflected even the tiniest fraction of the intensity of your convictions, you’d already know this. Yet here we are — at the mercy of authoritarians, because of hypothetical disagreements about owning the means of production. Joke’s on us. While anarcho-capitalists and anarcho-socialists quibble over theory, the Religious authoritarians and the Tankies are building gulags.
Books banned, women and children forced to give birth against their will, total depredation of the environment, oligopoly, corruption, conspiracy theories, propaganda, and fascism. But sure, let’s argue about how libertarians are the true enemy. Fucking dumb-dumbs.
Fuck yea, animal liberation all the way. Not sure why you’re using that to defend capitalism tho. Doesn’t really feel like a good faith comment to make.
You’re right that there is a definition of anarchism that nobody will meet, just like there’s a definition of feminism or capitalism or communism that nobody will meet. Those definitions are therefore useless, but that doesn’t mean anything goes.
There’s a difference between self-styled ‘anarchists’ who name themselves after oppressive systems and consciously include oppressive tools in their proposals for change and self-styled ‘anarchists’ who name themselves after systems that can help empower anarchism and that try to include as little archism in their proposals for change as possible.
The anarchist movement isn’t a static definition, it’s a vector force pulling at present-day society. Ancaps don’t pull along that vector. Non-vegan anarchocommunists do.
No one said they are the “true enemy”. US “Libertarians” (another stolen term) are largely irrelevant and just propped up by billionaires like Peter Thiel. They are the court clowns of the oligarchs and deserve the ridicule for being so naive and not noticing it. “Natural allies” for what? In boot licking?
Books banned, women and children forced to give birth against their will, total depredation of the environment, oligopoly, corruption, conspiracy theories, propaganda, and fascism.
Other than the book banning, that sounds like your average libertarian to me.
I’m just talking about word definitions here. If you support hierarchical dominance of some humans by others, you aren’t an anarchist by any reasonable definition.
That doesn’t mean we can’t cooperate on certain issues, though of course I’ll have to use my judgment as far as whether that collaboration does more harm than good, as I do in all cross-ideological collaboration. But our ideological differences are not very trivial so I don’t agree that we are natural allies either.
If you’re tired of having this argument just stop calling ancaps anarchists. It’s not accurate and even big papa Rothbard admitted as much in unpublished writings.
Damn, we are living the meme in real time!
Hello, fellow morons. Left and right libertarians are natural allies. If your edification reflected even the tiniest fraction of the intensity of your convictions, you’d already know this. Yet here we are — at the mercy of authoritarians, because of hypothetical disagreements about owning the means of production. Joke’s on us. While anarcho-capitalists and anarcho-socialists quibble over theory, the Religious authoritarians and the Tankies are building gulags.
Books banned, women and children forced to give birth against their will, total depredation of the environment, oligopoly, corruption, conspiracy theories, propaganda, and fascism. But sure, let’s argue about how libertarians are the true enemy. Fucking dumb-dumbs.
You can not be an anarchist while supporting the hierarchical system of capitalism. Full stop.
Yes, well, you can not be an anarchist while supporting the exploitation of animals, either, but look around you.
Fuck yea, animal liberation all the way. Not sure why you’re using that to defend capitalism tho. Doesn’t really feel like a good faith comment to make.
What I am saying is that you are going to have to search pretty fucking hard for a “real” anarchist once you start applying the actual definition.
You’re right that there is a definition of anarchism that nobody will meet, just like there’s a definition of feminism or capitalism or communism that nobody will meet. Those definitions are therefore useless, but that doesn’t mean anything goes.
There’s a difference between self-styled ‘anarchists’ who name themselves after oppressive systems and consciously include oppressive tools in their proposals for change and self-styled ‘anarchists’ who name themselves after systems that can help empower anarchism and that try to include as little archism in their proposals for change as possible.
The anarchist movement isn’t a static definition, it’s a vector force pulling at present-day society. Ancaps don’t pull along that vector. Non-vegan anarchocommunists do.
yes, you can. basically every anarchist who has ever lived has been ok with animal exploitation.
No one said they are the “true enemy”. US “Libertarians” (another stolen term) are largely irrelevant and just propped up by billionaires like Peter Thiel. They are the court clowns of the oligarchs and deserve the ridicule for being so naive and not noticing it. “Natural allies” for what? In boot licking?
Have you seen any of the Mad Max movies?
Other than the book banning, that sounds like your average libertarian to me.
I’m just talking about word definitions here. If you support hierarchical dominance of some humans by others, you aren’t an anarchist by any reasonable definition.
That doesn’t mean we can’t cooperate on certain issues, though of course I’ll have to use my judgment as far as whether that collaboration does more harm than good, as I do in all cross-ideological collaboration. But our ideological differences are not very trivial so I don’t agree that we are natural allies either.
If you’re tired of having this argument just stop calling ancaps anarchists. It’s not accurate and even big papa Rothbard admitted as much in unpublished writings.