This is more of me trying to understand how people imagine things, as I almost certainly have Aphantasia and didn’t realize until recently… If this is against community rules, please do let me know.
The original thought experiment was from the Aphantasia subreddit. Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/g1e6bl/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment_2/
Thought experiment begins below.
Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?
Once you're done with the above, click to review the test questions:
- What color was the ball?
- What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
- What did they look like?
- What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
- What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?
And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?
Huh. The person was off-frame. And I’m pretty sure i retroactively chose a color for the ball.
I think I might have a black-and-white imagination.
- Red
- An amorphous blob in a humanoid shape doesn’t have a gender
- An amorphous blob in a humanoid shape
- Baseball sized
- Round, four legs, wood.
Haha no, I had to fill all that info in as I answered the questions. I mean, you can’t literally see the things in your minds eye. They’re more concepts.
It’s a gentle push so the ball rolls for a second before falling off the edge of the table and bouncing away on the floor.
Ball Color: Bright red
Pusher Gender: Masculine
Pusher appearance: Caucasian, Tan suit, head was out of frame
Ball size: Tennis ball sized, but smooth with a seam around the middle
Table appearance: A square, short end table on a white studio backdrop. Dark wood with a glossy coating.
The important question: I can confidently say every question I already knew and was just describing what I was seeing, with the exception of maybe the pushers clothing. After reading the question my focus shifted to it and it visually resolved and I described it. Looked and felt almost the exact same way that you might not notice the details of an object in your peripheral because the focus of the scene was the ball, and then at a prompt, shifting your gaze and taking note of that object at the edge. It was framed like some kind of ball demonstration physics video.
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What color was the ball?
Grey, I suppose? It wasn’t important until this question so it was kind of colorless, even though I could picture it. -
What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
Androgynous. -
What did they look like?
Nondescript. -
What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
A bit larger than a softball. -
What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?
It was a rectangular table. It shifted from being smooth and grey to a lightly finished maple, then back again. -
Important question:
I didn’t really think about these details until asked.
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Color: red
Gender of pusher: undetermined
Looks of pusher: detached skinny white arm/hand
Size: roughly palm sized (full grown adult)
Table: wood, circular. Changed to black void with half pipe like pinball track upon being rolled.
After a quick visualization, that’s what I got. Seeing the questions didn’t change my answers
Edit: ball moved along the track for a moment before I stopped thinking about it, mostly since that train of thought made my brain switch to Sonic Spinball.
Answer:
It was a simplistic grescale scenario devoid of unnecessary features. Think a simple and fast 3D render from the 90s or something. So everything was grescale, the person had no gender (or even features), and pushed a baseball sized sphere on a simple rectangular table made of indeterminate materials. Now I can picture something more detailed if required or desired but my mind focused on the mechanics of it all and kept details to a minimum. Asking for these details afterwards doesn’t generate them retroactively.
I do not have Aphantasia, but I’ve always been fascinated by other people’s “normal”. I always loved the “is my red the same as your red” thought experiment ever since I was a kid. I have spoken to people that claim to have Aphantasia, and they describe their experience as pretty normal. Instead of seeing an image in their head, they just… know the thing. Where most people can visualize a scene in their head, Aphantasiacs apparently just feel and understand. It doesn’t seem to impair them whatsoever and they seem to be perfectly normal people otherwise. My layman’s explanation is maybe it’s a vestigial function of the human brain back when we needed more empathetic or intuitive responses to stimuli, similar to the theory that ADHD would have been a benefit during hunter/gather societies.
I basically fill in the details as the questions were asked. It could have been anything from a billiard ball on a pool table to a rubber ball on a dining room table. Anything unimportant is basically left “unfilled” or generic until it needs detail.
The person who pushed it was vaguely male, again no details unless the question is asked. They may as well have been a featureless mannequin.
What I don’t like about this experiment is that being hyperphantic doesn’t necessarily mean “you need photographic visualizations of every scenario at all times”. My mind conjures scenarios differently depending on context.
I can imagine myself barely being able to see a ball on a table, let alone a person moving into view.
I can see the ball having a glossy, low-res texture alla 1980s CGI, with the ball being pushed by a polygon figure, moving without any real animation and limply falling off the table with no gravitational speed.
I can picture a worn, shiny leather baseball sitting on an old coffee table, stained walnut. The person is Mark Wahlberg and he has a smirk on his face as he lazily finger-flicks the ball, which only barely makes it to the edge of the table before just being able to tip off the edge, bouncing twice with a heavy bomp-bomp and rolling unevenly for a couple seconds. Mark winces because his finger hurts now. I could also imagine the flavor of the baseball and what it would smell like.
The point is that an aphantic might only be able to visualize this scenario at best as well as the first description, or perhaps not even at all and they can only ‘know’ of the movements in the scene with zero visual or otherwise relation to it.
Hyperphantics generally can conjure near limitless detail and they can retain that information visually for long periods of time without much effort.
Red. Before
Dude. After
Me. After
Baseball. Before
White card table with grey liner. Before.
Ball rolled slightly forward after being judged by the person. Stayed in the table. Before
I can only see still frames of random motions and detective gadget animated is the character who flicks the ball. The red ball which I then added a hammer and sickle moves with illustrative wooshes across the table bounces off of a wall into detective gadgets eye.
Before reading the questions:
- The ball was uniformly gray, with a slight shine.
- The person was genderless and featureless. I only pictured their hand and arm pushing the ball. The moment of contact was indistinct, as if the arm was hiding the ball from view.
- The ball was the size of a large watermelon.
- The table was square, about 1m² , brown-gray, with four turned legs. Same material as the ball: uniformly colored and vaguely glossy.
- Ball rolls a bit but stops before going off the edge of the table
- Red
- Male
- Avg Height/Build, Brown hair, shaved face
- Like twice the size of a marble, like a bouncy ball
- Square, wooden table, lightly stained.
Knew the answers before being asked.
- The ball was red
- It was a man
- They wore a t-shirt and jeans
- A small sized ball, like a stress ball
- It was a plain wooden table made out of cheap particle board or laminated wood.
I had to think of questions to these answers after they were asked. The only things that I already knew were it was a red stress ball and that it was a cheaply made wooden table. I imagined that the ball simply began rolling towards the edge of the table. The person was amorphous at best.
I don’t think I have aphantasia, but I do think I have a weak imagination. When I try to conjure an object or place, it’s always like I’m peering through a keyhole. Like an image with too much vignette. The objects are usually non-descript and are more like concepts than things.
Amateurs, all respondents imagined something new.
My mind is so efficient, it just plays something back.
Except he pushed it towards her instead of picking it up.