I got three, they all seem to work on me, but sometimes I prefer one over the other for no clear reason.
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Counting my breath duration. Breath in at normal speed, count how long it is, then breath out slower than that by two or three counts.
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Force my thoughts to become disorganised. I do something like free association between concepts and pictures of the inner eye. Common starting point for me is a free flight over a hilly landscape, then random things, woods, trees, rocks, water whatever, I don’t try to control anything about the theme. If I start thinking coherently or about something concrete from my life, I just start again, with another nature scene.
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Imagine a calm scene. The suggested starting point I was told was floating on an air matteress in an alpine lake (helps that we know those around here, but I’m sure non-alpine lakes work too) and imagine the things you can see uphill as you drift around your axis.
We are super similar, lake, mattress, inner eye, box breathing.
Sometimes can get too vivid, but least I’m disconnecting from the day.
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I had absolutely debilitating insomnia for my entire life. In the last couple of years I discovered something interesting. I’ve got a condition called aphantasia which means that I cannot see any images in my mind. For my whole life I heard the phrase counting sheep and thought it was a metaphor. Just like. Thinking about sheep since visualizing wasn’t something that I thought people could do.
Anyway, in researching about the condition I found an article online for an exercise where you can work on trying to visualize something. Basically you close your eyes and use the flashing remnants of vision to try to force a shape to exist. Sometimes you need to push on your closed eyes and a little pressure will cause some patterns to appear. You’re supposed to do this exercise while talking to someone outloud. Even if it’s just making a recording. The article I read said you must say it out loud or you will fall asleep. Me having never fallen asleep in my life without hours of concerted effort completely ignored this warning and much to my surprise it absolutely made me fall asleep within minutes.
Ever since then I’ve been able to use this technique to fall asleep every night. It’s like my mind finally learned how to do it. Most of the time I don’t even need to do these exercises any more.
That being said I was so pleased with this side effect I never even tried the say it out loud to try to improve mental images and I still can’t see anything in my minds eye. But being able to sleep every night without fail is a freaking miracle. So I highly recommend giving it a shot.
Here is the original instructions I found on it. https://photographyinsider.info/image-streaming-for-photographers/
3rd Eye Blind crew represent
That is a long article that eventually links you to watch a video to learn how to do it. Here’s the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2qjtwcMhA&t=161s&pp=2AGhAZACAQ%3D%3D
For my whole life I heard the phrase counting sheep and thought it was a metaphor.
It … isn’t?
Waauw
Welcome to a whole new world where you can’t do some fundamental form of thinking most people can.
Theres also people apparently that don’t have an inner monologue and can’t hear words in their mind either. I truly can’t understand how that works. It’s way more foreign of a concept than not being able to visualize. But maybe that’s just because I’ve never been able to do it so I don’t know what I’m missing.
The people that can’t do either are truly frightening. What’s going on up there?
I’ve been practicing the rubbing thing today. The only things I think I’ve seen so far are faces, glimpses of and silouettes of.
It works better if I keep my palms slightly pressed over both eyes. As soon as there’s a lightsource I just see that, light through my eyelids.
This is amazing and slightly scary.
How long since you’ve discovered this?
It’s been about a year or so. You shouldn’t have to constantly apply pressure. When I first started I just kind of took whatever was there and tried to pretend it was a specific thing then hold that thought then as it morphed and changed just quickly identified a new thing and held that thing as long as possible. I think the article calls it image streaming. Then when all the sparks fade from pressure maybe do it again.
Does this also work if you don’t have aphantasia?
Use your bed only for sleep. No screens for a few hours before bed. Milk before bed. Reading or audio books are a great way to settle your mind.
If you aren’t asleep after 30 or so minutes get up and do something chilled for a little bit. Laying there getting pissed you aren’t asleep doesn’t help.
Stick to a sleep / wake schedule. I’ve found getting up early and consistently much more effective for sorting out my sleep.
lying on my back, relaxing all my muscles, calmly, slowly “repeating” sleep in ny mind until i fall asleep
oh, and I resisted using eye masks for years, but blocking out as much light as possible helps so much.
blackout curtains are amazing and worth every penny.
I close my eyes, take slow deep breaths, and with each breath slowly count up and down from 0 with the high number increasing by one on each cycle. Eg. 0 1 0 1 2 1 0 1 2 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 0… It requires just enough concentration to keep my brain from drifting off to other thoughts (usually), but is boring enough that I rarely get to 9 without falling asleep. If find my mind does wander, I just try again.
400mg theanine and/or 2g Magtein. Melatonin didn’t work for me and I dislike the effect of cannabis and its derivatives on my body.
Don’t.
Laying down and watching an old black and white movie puts me out quick. I’ve been watching the old Universal monster movies this month and it has been a struggle lol. Also started taking melatonin and that helps me sleep too. If I can’t sleep due to stress/anxiety I imagine I’m dying and that seems to work.
“If you think about Big Sleep, then Tiny Sleep doesn’t seem that scary 💕”
I take several breaths thinking about my pillow, bed, covers, and position; get comfortable and relaxed; and try to clear my mind. Then i start at my feet relaxing each body part for three breaths, feeling it sink into the bed and focusing hard so other thoughts can’t creep in. If i get distracted and wander, i start over. I’m usually asleep within a couple of minutes. It took me awhile to learn to do this and to keep my brain blocked. What I’ve learned is that sometimes it’s not ‘can’t fall asleep’ it’s ‘won’t fall asleep,’ i have this great method that works almost every time, but sometimes I’m resistant and still staring at the clock. Then i think, “knock it off! You’re self sabotaging!” and force myself to follow through.
Do relaxing activities before bed.
I haven’t seen exercise mentioned nearly enough in this thread. Doing an hour of yoga before bed makes sleep soo much easier.
- Only lay in bed for sex and sleep, nothing else.
- Make sure your screens are off or have an orange filter for nighttime.
- Toke it up, if you want and it’s legal, about 20 minutes before bed.
- Go to bed around the same time each night.
- and the most important… INVEST IN A GOOD MATTRESS!
Not affiliated at all, just a customer, but AmeriSleep beds have been the best beds I’ve ever laid in! They have just enough give in firmness to avoid hip pain while sleeping on my side, but support those pressure points evenly with your spine.
Oh boy.
First of all, form good “sleep hygiene” habits, read: https://health.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/data/Sleep Hygiene.pdf
A lot of it is obvious, like go to bed at the same time every night (set a timer to get yourself reliable at first!), and wake up at the same time every morning. Give yourself more “sleep opportunity” than the hours you want to sleep so you actually get enough sleep (e.g. if you want to sleep 8 hours, maybe give yourself 10 hours in bed with the lights out).
Don’t use screens several hours before bed, don’t do anything but sleep in your bed, and wind-down before bed with something like reading a book (again, in a chair in another room, not in your bed).
Now for more advanced tips I’ve learned from dealing with insomnia:
A problem I have sometimes had is that tasks like meditation can actually cause me to become more alert, and it turns out meditation actually does cause insomnia.
When struggling with meditation related insomnia, I got lots of practice navigating falling asleep.
What I found most helpful was rather than focusing on an object in a meditation like way, to instead allow mind-wandering and rumination and to try to cultivate a lack of metacognitive awareness about that rumination. Basically, the opposite of meditation. Meditators will hopefully know what I mean by this - but basically, don’t pay too much attention to what you are thinking, just get absorbed into the mind-wandering.
Sometimes if the mind-wandering leads to thoughts or feelings that are “strong” or engaging enough it can prevent me from sleeping, like when I’m anxious or my mind is preparing or rehearsing for an important event or the next day. In that case, a little bit of meta-awareness can be helpful to alert you to the need to redirect your rumination to something actively boring or benign.
In the most extreme instances, I visualize myself working in a factory performing a repetitive motion like pulling a level to operate a press. I essentially constantly try to pay attention to that mundane task and ensure that it remains mundane / uninteresting - just keep pulling the lever and keep paying attention to that task. This is akin to the counting sheep method, but I always found counting sheep too interesting or engaging of a task.
After hours of boredom I usually lose consciousness.
Sometimes I threaten myself with getting out of bed, and often in response I feel a resistance and that makes me realize how tired I actually am, and I threaten myself with doing something boring like sitting in a chair and staring at a wall. Sometimes that is enough to kick me out of my energized thinking into a milder / more boring and repetitive mind-wandering that leads to dreams and unconsciousness.
Sometimes I actually do have to get out of bed and do something, often I will stretch and if I’m not feeling overwhelmed with sleep that way, I find it helpful to exhaust myself with forearm planks - just hold until you can’t anymore (you can also use a timer for 30 seconds or 60 seconds, whatever pushes you past comfort but all the way to failure), maybe try this a couple times. You will sweat and it’s miserable the whole time, and you will be tired and want to crawl back into bed. That has helped me fall asleep really well before, and sometimes I think it’s because the blood also gets into my muscles and somehow this helps me relax.
Anyway, hope this helps!
Do nothing but sleep in the bed?
Oh, 'cmon!
My wife won’t be happy about that.
She really likes to cuddle and play with the cat in thereawww 🥹
THC and an orgasm.
CBD and abstinence to stay awake.
I couldn’t sleep for decades until I started listening to audiobooks. It’s a bedtime story. Shut your mind off, let go of stress and just listen. It can still take a little while but now I fall asleep in minutes instead of 3 hours. It also helps me go back to sleep if I wake up from nightmares.
Same. Podcasts are also great, and some are even made specially for this purpose, like Nothing Much Happens.
For me, podcasts specifically about going to sleep to them trigger my contrariness too much to be actually relaxing. It’s gotta be on a normal topic that is just the right balance of interesting, but not exiting/engaging.
History typically scratches that itch for me. Dan Carlin’s hardcore history and the history of the English being the two goats that coke immediately to mind. Camp Monsters is also a great one; the rare fiction podcast that I can actually stand, much less relaxes me enough to sleep.
I know a lot of people for which this works great. Personally though, it has the opposite effect. I cannot shut my mind of by listing to audiobooks. Either I ignore them and it’s just noise, or I listen to them and stay awake until the audiobook stops.
William S Burroughs rambling endlessly
- Sleep and wake at the same time every day.
- Wake early.
- Avoid caffeine after mid day.
- Cool temperature bedroom as you go to sleep.
- Avoid stimulation immediately prior to sleep e.g. screens, intense exercise, arguments.
- Make the bedroom a place of rest exclusively, no screens, noise, etc.
- If sleep is elusive don’t stay in bed, go do something and come back later to try again.
- Worrying about sleep only makes sleep more difficult.
- Don’t use alcohol or drugs to help sleep except very briefly to get over a hump. Of the benzodiazepine class, zopiclone is effective for short periods to re-establish a sleep pattern.
On the worrying point. If you find yourself worrying that you can’t fall asleep, remind yourself that just laying there is giving yourself a chance to slowdown and relax. Giving yourself permission to relax is the first step to letting go of the worry.
Right. It’s perfectly normal to have difficulty sleeping. We often don’t know why and that’s okay too. In time it will pass, as all things do.