• Panda (he/him)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    See, his mistake was not killing him during a Career Day at an elementary school. If he took out kids as well, he wouldn’t get a terrorism charge.

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    How tf can killing a single person with a handgun be classified as terrorism?

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        Our most sacred 21st century nobility. Guess we’ll have to cut their taxes to show our deference

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        They used to be terrified a lot more often when history was closer to JFK, Mussolini, Lincoln, and the French Revolution. When the leaders really thought the punishment for bad leadership was their ass, they gave a shit more.

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      Because they don’t like him.

      I mean Dylan fucking Roof shot dead 9 black people and they didn’t consider it terrorism.

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        Dylan Roof did get charged with hate crimes and was convicted on all 33 counts, leading to a death sentence. Stacking terrorism charges on top of that would have been pointless.

        Mangione, by contrast, is getting charged in a state without capital punishment. You need the terror charge to make this a First Degree Murder case. Otherwise he’s looking at parole after 15 years.

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          This sounds like a legal playbook for would-be assassins. Kill at the cost of 15 years with parole max

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      “They’re making us CEO’s afraid, terrified even, so he’s clearly a terrorist. The implication that the working class could actually fight back against the systemic oppression we inflict on them? That’s horrifying. We can’t allow them to believe they could ever fight back. Make an example of this person.”

      The rich assholes or something

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      As long as the action terrorised a large enough group of people it’s terrorism, it’s just this time, the terrorised people are the rich cunts hiding in their mansions like the traitorous cowards they are.

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    CEO’s: Second degree murder is the highest you can charge him with for killing a CEO in NY? But we want to torture him and make an example of him so the proles don’t get uppity!

    DA: No problem sirs, we can make that happen.

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      They also don’t charge people who blow up abortion clinics with terrorism either. They haven’t since the 60s - 70s.

      If you look it up the courts have been petitioned several times to associate abortion clinic bombings with Christian terrorism but they keep refusing to call it what it is.

      After reading about that fiasco I have very little faith our government actually has a working definition of terrorism that doesn’t shift at their convenience.

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        Hardly shocking that the christofascist courts of America refuse to classify abortion clinic bombings as domestic terrorism.

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      Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they’re “well regulated”, whatever that means…

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        it means that it needs to be an actual maintained organization, not Jim bob and his buddies threatening anybody they don’t like. it’s also not a requirement, it’s only the reasoning provided.

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          Well, that’s when Jim Bob and his friends can get together and form a neighborhood watch group and suddenly it’s perfectly legal.

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    Is there any chance that the terrorism charge is so ridiculous that it actually strengthens Luigi’s case and makes his defense better?

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      Yes because it specifically allows examining his motive from a political angle which allows the defense to question the character of the guy he shot, which increases the chance of nullification.

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      Man, if the fact that Luigi, the smiling man, and the actual shooter are visibly three different people isn’t enough of a defense, nothing is. The ruling class wants to see someone punished for this crime, and rule of law bends to their will. He will be sentenced to life in prison or death by the end of this month, mark my words.

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      who knows at this point. you should ask all the other Americans who were charged with terrorism when they get out of jail.

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      They charged him with terrorism so a regular jury won’t get to make that decision. It will be a federal grand jury of selected stooges, and maybe even a secret court.

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        A federal grand jury isn’t a replacement for a regular federal trial jury. They’re completely different things. A grand jury decides if there is a strong enough case to take the charges to trial, or if they should just be dismissed. When a grand jury isn’t used, the trial judge makes that determination themselves. I agree that the terrorism charge will affect how the trial is conducted, but I don’t know enough on that topic to comment further.

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          That’s true but the way that a federal jury works is very different.

          It allows them to choose people from outside of the area in which the crime occurred.

          Making it a federal trial jury instead of a state trial jury allows them to charge this single murder against an individual perpetrated by another individual who made no public statement with a much more severe crime than the state laws that he broke would normally allow.

          It’s also important to note that making it a federal trial makes it less public as there will be no cameras allowed. They don’t want him tried in the state of New York because that could legally be televised which is a bad look when you’ve already got judicial homicide lined up and the trial is purely performative.

          Being that they can choose people from all over and that the process of jury selection is even more opaque at the federal level they can make sure there won’t be any nullification issues.

          The way they are treating Luigi whether or not he’s guilty indicates that it’s not relevant whether or not he’s guilty. They legitimately don’t care, this is about sending a message that the poors don’t get to fight back.

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            “Nothing will meaningfully improve” is a good translation of biden/harris’s “nothing will fundamentally change” promise.

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              It also addresses people pretending like knocking down statutes and similar moral victories are meaningful progress twoards addressing real problems.