This is Trumps RussiaGate revenge tour, libs need to recognize that if they want to maneuver him
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JFC that’s cringe. It really lays bare how it’s just failsons all over.
In all seriousness, I finally watched the exchange and WOW the secondhand embarrassment I felt was strong. I had to watch this in 1.5x speed because it was so bad. I don’t think I’ve witnessed a more uncomfortable and unproductive conversation in my life. I had no faith in Trump, or Vance, to have a proper conversation about ending the war but this was worse than I expected. None of these people know what diplomacy is, also Vance lecturing Zelenskyy for a “thank you”, like he’s a child, was hard to watch and so stupid.
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I love the Ukrainian embassador’s face.
This was literally me as I was watching. I couldn’t help but keep cringing, sometimes I had to physically look away.
I really, really hope that it’ll speed up the US dumping Ukraine.
Lol, they fucking kicked him out of the White House
And of course Sheepdog Sanders has to come out and show how much of a neocon agenda loyalist he is now:
Such a disappointment of a man.
It’s also just stupid, even in terms of purely cynical political gain. Three years ago it was certainly politically advantageous to virtue signal support for Ukraine. But we can see which way the wind is blowing now. The US wants to ditch project Ukraine and they are currently in the process of unwinding the heroization propaganda surrounding Zelensky. The veil that has hidden the ugly reality of what has been going on in Ukraine for these past years will be slowly lifted so that the US can say “it’s not our fault the war was lost, look how corrupt they turned out to be”. And all of the European leaders and all the Democrats and “progressives” in the US who insist on tying their political credibility to the sinking ship that is Zelensky are going to be dragged down along with him.
If you’re going to be a rat at least be a smart one. Know when it’s time to switch sides.
He’s not a rat, he’s a liberal. He’s steadfast in his commitment to being wrong.
He pretends not to be one when it’s convenient. I will admit he had me fooled back in 2016.
comrade bernie sanders, part of the communist pipeline by being an incompetent socdem.
They keep talking about Russian imperialism but I don’t understand what they mean 😭
Imperialism is when one country crosses the border of any other country, all other context be damned.
They keep talking about Ukrainian democracy but i can’t find any. Maybe my definition of democracy is different.
Apparently, according to Bernie “Israel has a right to defend itself” Sanders, democracy is when you cancel elections, ban opposition parties, forbid peace negotiations, place all media under state control, arrest people for social media posts calling for peace, beat up priests, abduct men off the streets into vans and force them to go die in the trenches, murder journalists, and torture regime critics to death in secret prisons.
What do you mean? José Napoleón Duarte was a shining example of democracy in Latin America, supported by the glorious free USA 🦅 Nothing he did could be construed as anti-democracy so Zelensky doing the same thing also isn’t.
Wouldn’t the Yugoslavia War with bombing from NATO at least compete for the title of “bloodiest European war”?
Samderes was a supporter of the bombing of Yugoslavia.
Yup, and that’s when Parenti broke up with Sanders.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Looking it up, it does seem that Ukraine war has killed more people but that obviously could be inflationary.
history started on february 2022 tho
Huh? I thought that history started on October 7, 2023.
you’re not wrong either, it started on february 2022 then paused and then resumed in october 7 2023
I know the whole thing about Trump being a narcissist is kind of surface level problems with the US, but I rarely actually sit through listening to him speak and it’s striking how on the nose the characteristics are. It seems clear he wants to humiliate the guy in front of a large audience and make him kiss the ring, and that’s why it’s not a private meeting. Though in actuality, to me, it humiliates everyone involved in the discussion; they all come out looking ridiculous in various ways. It’s like one of those internet arguments that feels important to the people involved in the moment, but just looks like petty noise from the outside.
I think that mess was intentional plan by trump. trump said something to the effect of “its good we did this in front of the cameras because the American people need to see what I have to deal with”
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda. Showing people that zelenski isn’t the kind of heroic brave man the media made him out to be.
Zelenski came out of that looking weak, belligerent, and ungrateful. But Trump just came out of that looking like trump.
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda.
Yup. This is what i suspect was the intention all along. Trump now has the perfect excuse to distance himself from the Ukraine debacle.
I see Trump using this to push for “elections.” I imagine there will be silence on that topic from Russia while they and the us figure out who the next president will be behind closed doors.
I don’t think anyone has told zelenski “call elections or we will kill you” yet but that message is coming soon.
Maybe. I still think elections in Ukraine while the war is ongoing are unlikely. My feeling is that the Europeans will try to prevent an election at all costs because they’ve invested too much in Zelensky… but who knows at this point. I never expected this meeting to go as bad as it did either. We’re living in interesting times…
For a long while now, the U.S./UkraNazi far-right have supposedly been contemplating assassinating Zelenskyy.
Unfortunately i think that is a more likely scenario than elections.
Putin and the Russian government aren’t stupid. While they could be better, I put them almost up there with China in terms of long-term planning, common sense, reasoning, and sharp historical memory. They 99.99 percent won’t accept a fake ceasefire. Only a quality one, at least.
weird, to me zelensky came out as courageous (tho dumb and unreasonable) while both vance and trump came out as wimps. Zelensky is after all raising his voice at his enablers.
“mr zelensky youre being disrespectful!” Lmao just come on, its your home turf and he is your subject, why do you say it like that 😂
Vance definitely came out of it looking like a debate bro and a loser.
yeah right?
What’s that quote about wrestling a pig in the mud?
It’s like a family arguing about politics with the shit analysis that comes with it, but in the oval office.
yea straight up sitcom dialogue 😂
lmao these guys are so ridiculously incompetent, this discussion is so petty lmao
If it weren’t for TV, neither of these guys would ever have been politicians at all, never mind presidents. Pure spectacle.
You don’t have any cards right now.
We are not playing cards.
You are playing cards.
Why is that conversation even being filmed & broadcast, other than to publicly flog a vassal? This is unpresidented!
I feel Zelensky is joining the other allies of the empire very soon 🤣
