More honest:
My religion says I can’t do that.
I don’t care.
My religion says you can’t do that.
I don’t care.
That’s unfortunately not how it works. The religious very often use their religion as an excuse to control other peoples’ lives.
Indeed, all fun and games until they kidnap you from the streets because their religious laws prohibit the way you dress.
That’s definitely how it works. Fuck their god and fuck them too. They can worship who or whatever the hell they want but the minute they try to shove it down everyone’s throat that’s when it’s a problem…
I don’t care
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose your freedom. Be sure to remain meek when they come to shackle you, it’ll be fine I’m sure.
Just because I don’t care what you have to say doesn’t mean I won’t fight you if you try to enact the dumb bullshit your fairy tales tell you
Everyone else caring about their religion is how they are able to impose their religion on others.
Take a breath.
I’m going to vote for the guy who shares my religious values, and he’s going to make the thing you’re doing illegal
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Even the top part is not innocuous when it’s vaccines they say they “can’t” do.
innocuous
I see what you did there.
tbf religion as a whole is such an insane concept that trying to imput any time of logic to it is also insane
love how the bible literally says public displays of faith and prayer is wrong yet people who’ve never read the bible will claim otherwise.
Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
For what it’s worth, that’s not an especially relevant passage here, as it’s less to do with being open about your faith and moreso about intent. For example, those who would go to the synagogue to pray or who would give alms to make themselves feel better and appear righteous. The Bible is crystal clear that you should be openly expressing your faith to others should the intent be to spread the religion. Mark 16:15–16, for example, reads (NIV):
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Probably more relevant for your case are the passages along the lines of: “Look, give it the old college try, but if they aren’t willing to listen, don’t be a bitch about it; just move on.” For example:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Etc.
My brother was studying to become a Jesuit and there was this running joke amongst the Jesuits about praying where they would go “Why? God doesn’t exist.” This may sound hypocritical and it kind of is, but they consider the religion more a moral framework rather than something to rigorously believe in. That’s also why Pope Francis resonated with many non-believers because, at least the modern Jesuits, apply the moral lessons of the New Testament with a healthy dose of rationality (they are considered the intellectual branch of the church for a reason).
Very few, if any, Jesuit these days believe in the existence of a god, but they find value in the moral framework and how they can apply that to make this world a better place. It’s the only religious order I can stomach to have conversations with.
This right here I think is the ultimate way to practice religion. It’s an excellent framework for helping understand your connection to the universe and how your morality intertwines.
I’ve been reading up on Taoism and one of the things I resonated with is that it accepts the idea that you can worship anything. Even a rock. It’s not about actually believing that the thing holds power, but rather allowing yourself to give in a bit to the universe in an understanding that you are ultimately powerless. You have to give up some of your agency to the idea that there is power beyond your control and understanding and you have to accept that.
If you believe you’re an individual being separate from the world around you, the world will catch up to that idea. Aggressively. But if you accept that the world does not cater to you, and if you surrender some of that responsibility to a higher power, you’re not nearly as blindsided when the world finds you.
It’s the intent that matters here, not all public displays of faith go against the teachings of Jesus. But yeah, someone doing it just to draw attention is wrong.
lol, jesus said “do as I mean, not as I say!” “What do you mean, Jesus?” “Listen closely:”
It’s that kind of double think that dulls the critical mind over time
It’s the Bible, so even that passage is contradicted in another book.
Uhuh, more from your Bibble.
“Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.” Matthew chapter five verse sixteen
My religion says to love and have compassion unconditionally, full stop
I don’t care.
You can have that worldview without religion.
idk I think people shouldn’t be able to sell their children into marriages at 14 years old just because they don’t share my beliefs that that’s horrible. Meanwhile they think that an abortion harms a child in a way that outweighs b the mother’s right to decide whether or not her body gets used as life support and I don’t. I think whether or not it’s important to meddle in other’s private and family lives is actually a fairly complicated question.
Whenever I tell people I don’t drink tea or coffee because of my religion the conversation goes like this
“Your Mormon?!”
“Not really, not so much anymore”
“So why don’t you drink it now?!”
“Because it’s gross. It’s an acquired taste I never acquired “
“How do you wake up then?”
“Cocaine”
Edit: I don’t like the taste of cocaine either but I love how it smells.
Metal is my religion.
And Judas is my Priest.
And Dark my angel!
Actually “fuck off” to the above statement as well in many cases. “I’m a gynecologist. My religion says I can’t do an abortion.” Fuck off. Where I live (Croatia) pharmacies can refuse to sell you contraceptive pills if the person on the counter says it disagrees with their religion. Fuck off.
People’s values are never a purely private matter.
I want to learn to give abortions by hitting pressure points. Ahem, hey baby ready for a back massage? Great, let’s do it in the garage or shed.
what if my religion says you can’t do that but so does the law because they share their core moral system?
A law isn’t necessarily bad just because religion might agree with it. Murder is wrong, and religion agrees with that. We can’t allow murder, simply because it violates a religious code. That’s taking a worthy concept - purging religious influence from government - and turning it into the same incoherent dogma which describes much of religion.
I’m confused, where did the murder implication come from??
I don’t need religion to tell me murder is wrong. And that’s a dangerous line of thinking there as I’ve heard so many fundamentalists say “well how do you know what’s wrong and right without religion?!”
Are you talking about murder? Because if anything legal morality is far better than most religious when it comes to killing people. And that’s even with capital punishment still practiced.
Jokes on you, my religion says you can’t do a triple backflip. I dare you to prove it wrong.
If you can be convinced to believe in a god/gods that can never be proven to be real, you can be convinced of anything. Religious=gullible
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Not everyone who believes in entities and deities (and you’re assuming gendered pronouns and, by extension, unknowingly reinforcing the Abrahamic machismo whenever you use the masculine noun “god” to describe any deity/entity being worshipped by a worshipper, ignoring that there are Goddesses and feminine spirits as well, such as Pomba-giras, Lilith, Shakti, Kali, Morana, Morrigan, Santa Muerte, Ereshkigal, Hekate, Isis, Sekhmet, Bastet, Naunet, Babalon, among countless other feminine entities and Goddesses) does so out of being convinced by someone else.
To use my own experience as an example, I began worshipping an unified and syncretic Dark Mother Goddess without being convinced by anyone else. At that time, I used to be a member of a Luciferian sect, whose worshipping was centered around the male aspects of Lucifer, not the feminine aspects of Lilith, for example. Unexpectedly even to myself, I got this uncanny call of a powerful feminine spiritual energy who suddenly took me like a thousand hurricanes and became the epicenter of my entire existence, even though it happened to the disapproval of the Luciferian sect I was part of. I left the sect and, since then, I’ve been following a very personal (and quite lonely) syncretic belief system built of entities and concepts borrowed from and based upon several different systems, none of which I really belong to.
So, tl;dr: not everyone who believes in entities and deities does so out of being convinced by others, in fact, some (like me) even does so against any convincing from others, out of strange phenomena such as gnosis and synchronicity. Perhaps She is the one convincing me, thus validating your point about “one being convinced to believe”? Maybe… but humans aren’t the ones convincing in this specific situation.
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Sometimes I wonder if all the people (six by now, and two on my other reply in this thread) who are downvoting my two fairly respectful (at least trying to be respectful to the OP) counter-arguments are, deep inside, machistas/misogynists, downvoting me because I dared to remind people that there are feminine Goddesses and I dared to mention some of Their names… Your people’s current lack of counter-counter-arguments doesn’t convince me otherwise.
Yeah people love policing what others do :3. I’d return the favour but I can’t think of any good rules in my religion to throw at them, when the situation comes up lol
Given they’re all made up… at this point we’re better off making up a religion that enforces actually good behaviour like taking vaccines and not bothering people with different sexualities/gender identities/etc.
They keyword when it comes to any religion is fundamentalism.
No, the key word is Religion. It’s all fundamentalism, just different intensities.
Not really. Secularism is fine in all regards.
I wouldn’t consider Secularism to be a religion, it’s more of a default position. If you don’t believe in religion, you are Secular by default.
Unless someone has co-opted the word Secular as their own little religion, the way some political parties have stolen the word Independent. If you are in a political party, you are not independent. Some see the absence of religion to be a religion itself.
I don’t agree. I am secular, not Secular.
Carriers matter too
Yoo r reeding rong.
“She lusted after her lovers, whose flesh was like that of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”
Ezekiel chapter twenty three verse twenty
The first panel should be “My religion says I can’t do that but I do it anyway”.
