I still believe there should be more representation in media of women with body hair.
We should normalize picking what’s best for each person individually and not trying to portray a certain way that women are “supposed” to look.
Funnily enough, I personally prefer body hair because it’s softer than stubble. But that’s my personal preference and not one I tell others that they should do just to please me. (not saying you are doing this, just putting thoughts to words).
Fiona Dourif did a fantastic job portraying Bart in this show. If being clean shaven is how they wanted to appear on screen, I think their right to do so supersedes any obligation they have to ‘normalize’ anything for anyone else. It certainly did not harm the performance.
The media is made up of individuals with their own choices or autonomy. It’s fair to say “I wish this got more representation in media” but it’s entity unfair to criticise specific individuals for not upholding a specific standard. The original premise was “what if being clean shaven was her choice?” in which case it would be nobody’s place to hold that against her.
Women being hairless is a manufactured media campaign. We are born with hair, we grow hair, hair on women is natural. The prevalence of showing women as hairless below our eyebrows is a deliberate choice and it is not simply down to individual preferences.
Again, nobody has an obligation to change their body for the sake of normalizing a certain beauty standard. If the actor doesn’t want to grow out it’s their right not to do so. You can’t criticise individuals for industry trends.
Applaud diversity when you see it, but don’t critisise people just for being themselves.
I am criticizing the media for only showing women as hairless.
Do I need to explain this again in different words for you to understand I’m not attacking the actresses’ personal choice?
Subsequent ad campaigns of the 1920s, ’30s and ’40s worked hard to rebrand armpit hair and leg hair as the enemy, pushing prepubescent bareness as the American ideal, along with toxic depilatory creams like “Sheer" (which contained mercury and bromine) and Koremlu, which contained a now-banned chemical — a rodenticide! — known to cause neuromuscular damage and blindness.
Those advertising campaigns paid off when silk and nylon shortages during World War II made stockings a luxury and bare legs a necessity. A widely-cited stat suggests that by 1964, a staggering 98% of American women were routinely shaving their legs. Today, the global market for hair removal products and services is a impressive $5.42 billion.
Though some feminists of the ’60s flaunted armpit and leg hair as a political statement, the demand for hairless bodies only grew more intense over time. In the 1980s and ’90s, the “the Brazilian,” an especially painful practice of using wax to remove some or all pubic hair, became popular. Millions got on board, including in Europe, where a 2018 Belgian study found that 80% of women reported removing at least some of their pubic hair. The increased pressure to be fuzz-free sometimes resulted in fierce reactions — ranging from shock and disgust to ridicule and mockery — for those who didn’t comply. (You may recall images of Julia Roberts lifting her arm to wave at fans at the 1999 “Notting Hill” premiere. The backlash was not cute.)
“Women often don’t realize how much friends, family and society weigh in on what we do with our body,” Breanne Fahs, a professor of women and gender studies at Arizona State University told CNN in a 2020 interview. “Often, what we think is a choice — as in ‘I choose to shave’ — has actually been…enforced upon us for generations.”
Natural body is a polite way of framing ungroomed. Men nor women like seeing poor hygiene. Some types of poor hygiene are seen as worse than others. Dirty hair? Sorta gross. Body hair? Disgusting.
My husband loves my hairy body. 🤷♂️ Finding hair disgusting and unsanitary isn’t a natural state for men, it’s something you’ve been taught. Clean hair isn’t unhygienic.
Isn’t that for you to decide? I know gay men who think facial hair is disgusting. Some like it. Regardless, I don’t get to tell my audience what they like, which is what you’re trying to do.
Wouldn’t want to accurately portray women’s natural bodies lest they think it might be acceptable to be unshaven.
Or maybe she, the actress, prefers it, and she, the actress, didn’t want to change something superficial for the show.
Personally I don’t like body hair. It’s coarse and irritating.
I still believe there should be more representation in media of women with body hair.
We should normalize picking what’s best for each person individually and not trying to portray a certain way that women are “supposed” to look.
Funnily enough, I personally prefer body hair because it’s softer than stubble. But that’s my personal preference and not one I tell others that they should do just to please me. (not saying you are doing this, just putting thoughts to words).
Fiona Dourif did a fantastic job portraying Bart in this show. If being clean shaven is how they wanted to appear on screen, I think their right to do so supersedes any obligation they have to ‘normalize’ anything for anyone else. It certainly did not harm the performance.
I’m not criticizing their performance or their individual choices.
I’m criticizing how the media wants to portray women as completely hairless all of the time.
The media is made up of individuals with their own choices or autonomy. It’s fair to say “I wish this got more representation in media” but it’s entity unfair to criticise specific individuals for not upholding a specific standard. The original premise was “what if being clean shaven was her choice?” in which case it would be nobody’s place to hold that against her.
Women being hairless is a manufactured media campaign. We are born with hair, we grow hair, hair on women is natural. The prevalence of showing women as hairless below our eyebrows is a deliberate choice and it is not simply down to individual preferences.
Again, nobody has an obligation to change their body for the sake of normalizing a certain beauty standard. If the actor doesn’t want to grow out it’s their right not to do so. You can’t criticise individuals for industry trends.
Applaud diversity when you see it, but don’t critisise people just for being themselves.
I didn’t criticize their individual choice.
I am criticizing the media for only showing women as hairless.
Do I need to explain this again in different words for you to understand I’m not attacking the actresses’ personal choice?
Here, some reading for you
Natural body is a polite way of framing ungroomed. Men nor women like seeing poor hygiene. Some types of poor hygiene are seen as worse than others. Dirty hair? Sorta gross. Body hair? Disgusting.
Oh, men are supposed to shave their body hair or they’re disgusting?
I mean, I’m morally consistent on this one in that I think everyone looks better smooth. Yall can be hairy if you want though.
Thanks for recognizing the difference between personal preference and personal choice <3
I should call her…
pleeeease
If you want men to like your body, yes. Personally, I don’t want that.
You sound like my dad asking why I’d date someone with tattoos because according to him tattoos are ugly.
Your personal preferences don’t dictate what others like.
My husband loves my hairy body. 🤷♂️ Finding hair disgusting and unsanitary isn’t a natural state for men, it’s something you’ve been taught. Clean hair isn’t unhygienic.
In my instance armpit hair is unhygienic. If I don’t remove it, my BO will break through 72h deoderant in 4 hours.
And if I don’t shave my balls I get a psorisis flareup in an area you really don’t want psorisis.
Can I assume you also believe that women only want hairy men then? Because I’m pretty certain you’re going to get pushback on that too.
It’s a great way to filter out men who don’t deserve access to my body.
My sex life never diminished when I stopped shaving.
For real? Did i understand you correct that for you it’s worse having clean hair in armpits or on legs than unwashed hair on the head?
Do you also remove ALL of your own body hair?
It is possible to not ever cut any of your hair and still be hygienic and clean!
I wish I could permanently delete all my body hair. Laser doesn’t work for me unfortunately
Natural landscape is such a hippie way of framing unpaved!
Are men with trimmed beards gross and unhygienic?
Isn’t that for you to decide? I know gay men who think facial hair is disgusting. Some like it. Regardless, I don’t get to tell my audience what they like, which is what you’re trying to do.
I didn’t make the assertion that body hair is unhygienic.
You made the implied assertion that people need to like it because it’s natural.
Where did I say that people need to like it?
It’s so annoying when people edit their comments after they get replies.
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My righteous anger preceded my lack of shaving.