• tigermountain@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    What’s the balance between what the government should provide towards our basic needs vs what the individual is responsible for?

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      16 hours ago

      You balance it against wealth equality, aim for the most wealthy people to have enough to own 1 yact but the least wealthy still have at least a studio apartment to live in. Everyone gets firsts before anyone gets seconds.

    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      All basic needs should be provided for. Anything beyond basic needs should be your own responsibility. So food, shelter, health and wellbeing, education, security, defense, and access to infrastructure should all be provided as a part of the public good.

      And before you say it, people will still want more than just their basic needs met, so almost all will still find work to do. They just no longer have to accept the jobs that require people to be threatened with death to take them.

    • Doom@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      Don’t be pedantic. Doing nothing while people are dying on the street means the system needs to change. Tweak it until until (ideally) no one is dying on the street. That doesn’t mean we wipe everyone’s ass for them and it doesn’t mean we won’t have homeless people (I used to know a dude that wanted to be homeless and proudly proclaimed himself a “street person” to anyone who asked). It means everyone has their basic needs met. Food, water, a safe place to sleep, education, and a wage that covers the basic costs of living. If someone needs help we help them because we are a community and communities take care of each other.

      Our PROBLEM is the current system is catered to the top tier of the ultra rich and “pretends” any scraps thrown our way are us being irresponsible leaches. But we pay a ungodly percentage of our income in taxes (not just income taxs, but every sale, every regressive tax) to a government that gives almost nothing back while calling us freeloaders and then we get bogged down in conversations about “individual responsibility.” We can have conversations about individual responsibilities after congress works full time, the pentagon can pass an audit, military generals don’t retire and go to work for defence contractors, and billionaires get their goddamn fingers out of the white house (and it wasn’t just under trump they had their fingers in the government pie).

      • TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world
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        8 hours ago

        This is not a call to violence in any way but unfortunately probably won’t happen until the right kind of people start dying on the streets. Look at how shook up CEOs got over one healthcare parasite CEO getting what he got. Look at how the chud white nationalist conservatives got shook up over one gummy racist rat “paying the cost of freedom” or however he put it when talking about children being gunned down schools.

        Things will have to get a lot worse before they get better.

    • karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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      13 hours ago

      Food, shelter, health care, education are provided for all, regardless of contribution or ability to contribute.

      I’m not sure how to pay for that, how to deal with metric gaming, or people who dont want the above. Also how to deal with externalities like climate change or conflicts… But I can dream!

    • maxthemummer@lemmus.org
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      16 hours ago

      The balance is that a full time job should enable you to provide the basic needs for yourself.

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        15 hours ago

        Abelist. People unable to work should also be okay and allowed to get married without losing support