Friend who is not a software person sent me this tweet, which amused me as it did them. They asked if “runk” was real, which I assume not.

But what are some good examples of real ones like this? xz became famous for the hack of course, so i then read a bit about how important this compression algorithm is/was.

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    Git, by Linus? Maybe even linux itself? Ok actually Linus might just be Steve Wozniak without an annoying Steve Jobs guy next to him, while actually being a lot bigger than Apple maybe?

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      It’s really hard to imagine a world without Git. If it hadn’t been invented I think it would have been necessary to create it it’s one of those things that’s hard to imagine and then impossible to work out how you can survive without it.

      Yet the vast majority of the world probably don’t even know what it is, and wouldn’t even understand it if it was explained to them.

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        And it all happened because botbicket decided to become greedy, to which Linus responded with taking a month break from Linux to make his own basic versioning tool, and here we are.

        Without bitbuckets decisions, wer all still be stuck with SVn shudder

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          Not necessarily! Maybe we would live in a world of mercurial, or even some other alternative.

          And it wasn’t bitbucket (botbicket?), it was BitKeeper, which gave the Kernel folks a license to use BK, but with some restrictions. Among those was a “no reverse engineering” clause, which is what eventually lead to the revoking of that license—lots of interesting articles on this!—frustrating Linus for a few weeks, and finally the start of Git.

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          Minor correction, it was Bitkeeper/BitMover - not Bitbucket. They were proprietary software linux used w/ a community license, and they later removed that free tier.

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        t’s really hard to imagine a world without Git

        I’ve lived it.

        • CriticalFile.vbs
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        • CripicalFile.V2.5.vbs
        • CriticalFile.DONOTEDIT.txt
        • _Old.CriticalFile.aspx
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          The first job I had out of college was doing development on the production server with this method of version control. I still have nightmares.

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          Lots of people still split latex documents into one section per file, because subversion used file locks and we only knew how one person could edit a file at a time.

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        It’s not like there was nothing at all in that space before git came along, e.g. we had svn before, and mercurial more or less in parallel.

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        Git is not the only version control software out there, and not the first one either.

        Facebook for example is famous for not using git. Because their own modified copy of mercurial fits their needs better.

        Microsoft didn’t use git until relatively recently either. They had to make some big contributions to make it work for their system.

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            Th devs at my current organization use turtle svn, but that seems to be more down to organizational politics combined with a misunderstanding that git is platform agnostic rather than anything based on merits

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          their own modified copy of mercurial fits their needs better

          The version I heard was that hg people were way nicer to them and very much willing to help compared to git.

          I feel like Linus got a taste of his own medicine dealing with Gtk and Gnome people while developing Subsurface and that caused them to switch to Qt.

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            IIRC it’s both, sort of. They’ve contributed a lot to mercurial and, yes, that’s largely thanks to mercurial folks being more open and receptive to their desired changes compared to git. But they also have internal tools that build on top of mercurial, tools that you’re very unlikely to see used outside facebook projects.

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        Everybody would use Mercurial, since Fossil completely lost the race, and both Subversion and CVS are unfit for today’s needs.

        What is too bad, because Fossil would be much more productive than Git or Mercurial if the software just finished running at all; and Mercurial is way easier to learn than Git.

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        Really easy to imagine that world to most people. Like me. Who inspite of using computers since my 386sx family pc, never got into software engineering.

        I understand a little about it, but its just a name of a thing i dont know how to use lol

        I just find it funny how its a kind of ignorance(for entirely understandable reasons)is bliss situation to me, but a horror to those who use it

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        Yeah, and Linus mostly handed off the project to Junio Hamano quite early on (same year, 2005). Seriously, huge kudos to Junio for all his work. Still, it’s fun to say this quirky guy who likes penguins started not one, but two free software projects that took the world by storm. Humbling, even.

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    A few libraries come to mind immediately: fftw (I think the most widely used fft library) or GMP (I think the most used multi precision library).

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    Based on my cheatsheet, GNU Coreutils, sed, awk, ImageMagick, exiftool, jdupes, rsync, jq, par2, parallel, tar and xz utils are examples of commands that I frequently use but whose developers I don’t believe receive any significant cashflow despite the huge benefit they provide to software developers. The last one was basically taken over in by a nation-state hacking team until the subtle backdoor for OpenSSH was found in 2024-03 by some Microsoft guy not doing his assigned job.

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      I think Linus sits at the intersection of both groups. Linus is not some Ronald. The Ronalds of this world are for example the creator of core-js.

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      Actually I think he has already had an adequate amount of recognition:

      • “In 1999, Red Hat and VA Linux, both leading developers of Linux-based software, presented Torvalds with stock options in gratitude for his creation.[29] That year both companies went public and Torvalds’s share value briefly shot up to about US$20 million”

      • his autobiography is in several hundred library collections worldwide

      Awards he’s received:

      • 2 honorary doctorates

      • 2 celestial objects named after him

      • Lovelace Medal

      • IEEE Computer Pioneer Award

      • EFF Pioneer Award

      • Vollum Award

      • Hall of Fellows of the Computer History Museum

      • C&C prize

      • Millenium Technology Prize

      • Internet Hall of Fame

      • IEEE Masaru Ibuka Consumer Electronics Award

      • Great Immigrants Award

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        Wow! A company gave away money without being contractually obligated to do so? The world sure has changed since then. I’m glad that Torvalds is doing well, he completely changed the world.

        I wonder how Brahm Cohen is doing. He also had a huge impact on the world. I know he got a write-up in Wired Magazine after inventing Bit Torrent (that’s how I learned about it way back then), but I haven’t heard much about him since.

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      I’d put the deflate algorithm over the LZMA algorithm just because deflate is used by both windows (zip) and Unix (gzip). Windows I don’t think has added LZMA/xz support until recently if at all.

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    I’d say ffmpeg is a good example, it’s used by almost every piece of software that has to manipulate audio or video (including messaging applications), yet not many people know about its existance.

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      And Fabrice Bellard, the original author of ffmpeg, went on to create qemu which pretty much made open-source virtualization possible. Also TCC (even if I don’t think that one is widely used), he established a world record for computing decimals of Pi using a single machine that had ~2000× less FLOPS than the previous record, and so much more…

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        Fabric Bellard’s body of work is fairly strong evidence for time travel having happened already.

        Or just genius.

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      It’s also worth pointing out that this was sued in a copyright lawsuit some time ago. The wikipedia article mentions it, but here’s the slashdot discussion if you want to feel like stepping into a time machine: https://m.slashdot.org/story/158778

      It caused a momentary panic when everyone realized that this thing runs the system clocks for everything everywhere, and if it got taken down by a copyright suit it would be disastrous for, well, everybody.

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      Wasn’t there also very recently a whole thing about the single guy who maintains the NTP spec threatened to retire so he could get a “real” job, which caused a gigantic internet-wide panic as pretty much everything we do relies on computer’s clocks being perfectly synced?

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        Perhaps we’ll move to UTC+10¼, and then move forward 45 minutes in the summer.

        If the day number is a prime, then we’ll go back π hours.

        Hope that will help!

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        It would make sooo much more sense for the ISO to set something up, and make governments each responsible for keeping it updated, since they’re the ones doing the changing.

        Require all participants to amend their law/regulations, so there’s a note to prompt whoever is in power and changes it next.

        I’m sure some places would still neglect to do it… Haha

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      curl is most definitely not developed solely by one person though, it has thousands of contributors. in fact, there is so much red tape around curl that you can’t even discuss making a change to it without first writing an RFC and having it approved by a committee.

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      And they still get emails from randos when some program that uses curl doesn’t work (the Readme is top notch).

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            I feel a bit split about this. Seems it is an actual law, and it kind of makes sense. You probably don’t want random components from unknown people and places in your multi million dollar space equipment. But it feels rather arrogant to just demand such things.

            Is NASA actually a customer? Did they pay for a license to use curl (genuine question - I’m not familiar enough with it to know if enterprises and organisations require a paid license)? Are they planning on becoming a paying customer? Do they make donations to the project? If not, it feels kind of rude to send a demand letter to the lead developer of a free piece of software straight up demanding a formal letter stating where the free software is being developed and maintained (for free), or if outside the USA, that the free software has been tested in the USA. Oh, and a bonus demand that such information be returned within 5 business days (naturally with an implied “or else”, just to really make sure those pesky people maintaining open source software for free really get the memo)

            In any case, why don’t all their scary 3 letter spy agencies go and figure it out on behalf of NASA themselves? It’s open source, they could just like, read the source, test the source, and audit the source themselves. Or fork it and make any modifications they’d like to ensure its safety

            I don’t blame the person sending the emails, obviously, they’re just following orders, but the whole email reads as very entitled and arrogant, assuming NASA don’t provide any compensation to the project and projects maintainers for their use of curl

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      Libcurl is at the foundation of almost all networking.

      That’s not remotely true, but it is nevertheless outstanding work and very much deserving of recognition and support.

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    NTP is the one that comes to mind for me.

    Basically every device uses it and until fairly recently was maintained by a single person

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    core-js (whose maintainer is also a bit picky about and probably doesn’t understand the OSS process) Phil Katz, the guy who invented .zip. To this day, every .zip file contains his initials in hexadecmial. His story is incredibly interesting.

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      The core-js story always makes me sad. Sure, he’s developing an open source project and no one HAS to pay him. But the meager amount of donations and the tons of hate he receives isn’t justifiable either.

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        It’s especially sadder when a substantial amount of the donations vanished when Open Collective and others stopped operating to Russians.

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        I had seen the hate before and foolishly just assumed he was deserving of it. Its a horrible situation he’s in and he is being cast in a bad light because he reached out for help.

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      Oh dear, that post from the core-js guy made my blood boil. He’s been taken advantage of by the whole world.