13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
What the actual fuck?
So a third of the country are Nazis.
Not racists, not misinformed, not uneducated, but actual Nazis.
In ~20 days, the most powerful and dangerous country on earth may well elect a party of Nazis to rule them.
God help us all.
Well, seeing as 1/3 of Americans are brainwashed by mass media into following whatever hype train is set forth by the rich, I can see that. If their favorite corporate owned and ran “news” told them they didn’t need to eat, they would stop eating.
America is home to racist morons, has been since July 4th, 1776. Most of the Founding Fathers owned slaves, and the Senate and Electoral College were established to ease the slave owners/states that their “property” would remain theirs.
We’ve been a nation of hypocritical xenophobes who taught freedom and liberty while giving none of it to the majority, and every time we try to fix that they double down and make things worse. Not a single time has the US Government (or any government for that matter, but that’s more a “whatabout” in this topic) given people what they wanted freely, and peacefully.
If we wanted to get rid of brain dead morons, we would solved it in the Civil War and Reconstitution. Second chance was in the 1960s when we were breaking down the barriers. Instead we still placated to the racists because we didn’t want to be too mean to the racist, sexist morons who started the mess in the first place.
A third of Americans are xenophobic bigots. Got it.
Meanwhile they proudly exclaim their great great great great grand daddy came in on the Mayflower.
They also love to claim that they had a great-grandmother who was “full-blooded Cherokee” (it’s almost always Cherokee) and if you check their DNA, nope. All European.
As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.
People forget very quickly. Just look at what’s happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It’s like everyone’s ignoring history.
Yes, and people who forget history are destined to repeat it. It’s sad to hear some people in Germany wanting to “get over” our history…
America’s entire Capitalist model is based on 3-month cycles of amnesia. It is designed to forget. Business could be run successful, profitable, and non-asshole, but the hunt for the next quarterly positive shareholder report by design blinds them permanently from comprehending history.
You don’t have to be German. Just slightly educated.
Unfortunately, it’s specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
You’re right. I just meant that with the background of our history, that it’s something that wasn’t just said, but actually happened, it feels more concerning.
There are only a few counties in the world that draw the smartest and most accomplished from the rest of the world. The USA is pretty high on that list. This gives the USA an unfair advantage worldwide in several ways:
US schools and businesses get to pick from the best and brightest worldwide, promoting an atmosphere of high performance STEM jobs.
US replaces lost high education and high IQ population, since there is a negative correlation between education level and reproduction.
Finally, if you think in terms of winners vs losers, which I feel MAGAs do these days, other countries lose their best and brightest, making them less competitive to the USA.
And of course don’t forget that the vast majority of Americans come from families that immigrated, and few would argue that they themselves should be sent back “to where they came from”.
No matter how you look at it, immigration is extremely advantageous to the USA if handled properly and an enviable position that many other countries wish they could be in.
“think of how dumb the average guy is. Now remember that half the population is dumber than him.” – George Carlin.
1/3 of Americans are terrible people.
This is why GW Bush and Trump got elected. There is about 30% that will always vote for R.
A comment above would point to those 2 being different: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/15146574
13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
More proof of fake respondents. Basically some people, for whatever reason (depending on the poll it could be financial) just speed run the polls with no thought about what they’re clicking on. So it makes any extremely unpopular view appear more supported. I can’t find much about how this was done, if it was an online opt-in poll I’d be especially suspicious.
Edit: it seems this was done with a Ipsos KnowledgePanel, which as I suspected is an online, paid, opt-in panel. This is exactly the kind of design that’s prone to speed running for cash.
Any good pollster adds questions for quality control and throws out the result if they’re answered improperly.
The Trump campaign doesn’t hammer the immigration issue just because they’re xenophobic racists. They also do it because it’s one of the few issues that they can run hard on that rallies their base and has the potential to attract some democrats.
People that hate immigrants from either party consider it a central issue, so because it’s so charged, there are actually a small subset of democrats that will hold their nose and vote for Trump because of this single issue.
I wonder how many of those people are children of immigrants.
(although, in a broader view, probably all of them are at least descendants of immigrants)
Donald Trump is the child of an immigrant. His mother was from Scotland.
Of course, that makes her the “right kind” of immigrant.
And then there’s two of the mothers of four of his children. Ivana and Melania, both immigrants.
His new bestie, Musk, is 1st generation. As is Thiel. I’d be fine with deporting them though.
I agree. In fact, can we really be sure that any other billionaires might or might not be immigrants? We should probably round them all up just to be safe. We can deport the ones we think are immigrants and worry about the rest later.
13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that. What the actual fuck?
No surprise? People have nuanced views, different opinions, from left to center to right, even hardcore racist ones… and vote Democrats. Just as you could find conservatives who do not agree with the statement.
The statement is so vague and loaded and can be agreed or disagreed with from all kinds of people.
Edit: And yes it’s quite ironic(?) that so many people agree with this - in a country where people unironically track that they’re 12% German, or 20% Irish, or whatever.
Edit: Auto-Blocking Unreasonable people. I told you, all that they have is emotional responses and think spamming labels is what makes them right. It doesn’t. Just makes you a broken record.
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
I have my problems with immigration. I don’t necessarily blame the individuals, well, some of them because some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to. And it can be frustrating to deal with. It’s not entirely their fault that businesses seem to see them as just labor fodder as well as the government sees them as economic fodder.
It’s an issue that needs to be discussed and addressed. People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic. But I bet you may have a change of mind if you ever come across a couple of the scenarios I’ve exampled. We have problems in our country when it comes to the homeless, to the veterans and to the poor. I think it is absolutely unfair and unwarranted to prioritize thousands of migrants who come here over all of them.
That is where I think the agreement is coming from. I don’t agree with Trump’s way of handling it (then again every “solution” he comes up with is incredibly extremist and impossible to pull off, especially if it’s coming from him.) I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
We need to sit down and analyze the immigration policy closely, that has been broken for years. Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now? For christ sake.
If we continue to not fix this problem, America just going to be weighed down the same way Canada got weighed down. The same way some parts of the EU got weighed down. America is just going to follow suit.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic” or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Come on people, let’s be adults and actually address the issue to fix it, huh?
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I have every right to be here as you do. Why should you get a job that we both applied for just because you were born here?
Witness this right wing authoritarian whining about getting ratio’d for spouting Moral-Fear-Propaganda openly dehumanizing one group of people under another, crying about it.
Fascism is a virus all of it’s own, a weird evil in a bad way, the only kinds of degenerates with the only kind of kinks society must stop. Their bloodlust is the poison. This White-Supermacist, Eugenicist Cancer asks you to turn your neighbor in and destroys every nation that obliges.
So reader, Solidarity Forever. Ill promise you, you promise me, to never sell each other out to these murderous theives. I’ll call you on your shit, please call me on mine. We’ll work together, and our grass will be the greener in time. ❤️🔥
(Obvs wont be replying, will be mute-block-deleting any interactions from bigots)
Man you’re so uneducated, all you know is buzzwords and regurgitated drum lines.
I think you may have missed the point of the article. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume democrats don’t want to do anything about immigration. Trump and Biden both have basically the same plan to address illegal immigration. Harris’ plan is similar to both of theirs as well.
Illegal immigration is not nearly as serious as the average Republican might believe. They add strain to systems already working beyond their limits, but legal or illegal migrant workers aren’t displacing citizens at work and aren’t leading to the kinds of outcomes Mr. Trump would like his followers to believe. It does happen occasionally, but not enough to justify the alarming hate filled rhetoric.
The problem is that “poisoning the blood” is nakedly racist. The phrase has been used for over 100 years as a dog whistle for white nationalism. How can you have a rational discussion about addressing the real problems that enable illegal immigrants (American businesses hiring them) or the additional strain they put on already over worked and under funded public services if one side is ideologically set on the notion that migrants are evil?
I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that democrats don’t want to address the border. Safe, legal migration into the United States benefits everyone. If we streamlined the legal immigration process and cracked down hard on businesses and individuals hiring undocumented migrants, that would address the bulk of migrants illegally crossing our borders.
Perhaps we make it a felony with mandatory jail time (per infraction) to hire an undocumented worker or own a company that employs them. Or perhaps we remove the exemptions some types of businesses enjoy from paying minimum wage. One of the reasons businesses hire illegal immigrants in the first place is they are cheaper than American workers because you can pay them less than minimum wage.
Right now there are a lot of businesses that benefit from cheap migrant labor, if we can break that trend, some of those businesses will fold, for sure. But do we want to let failed businesses that can’t stay open without breaking the laws of the United States to continue to operate?
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Uh…no, I have no problem with an immigrant getting a job in my country. Or having a place to live.
If you aren’t okay with those, then when you say “immigration”, you might be thinking of “tourism”. If you’re not okay with immigrants having a job and a place to live, you’re not okay with tourism.
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I guess they should have had better qualifications.
Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Are you repeating a JD Vance talking point here? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jd-vance-debate-immigration-housing-prices-real-estate-federal-reserve/
some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to.
That country being the “great melting pot” where those cultures get adopted by and integrated into society?
People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic.
Except all the people loudly talking about it all the time.
I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
Please name the people who want open borders.
Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now?
You mean why do they not have a solution you’ll accept.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic”
Possibly.
or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Really everyone came from somewhere else. If we all go back to where our most distant ancestors came from, that spot in Africa is going to be really crowded.
It’s about colonised or coloniser, with drastically different privilege and safety for white folks than someone with melanin. You can play nuance games all you want, in the end this is pitting proles against proles for the sake of empire building. The common person would be much safer, happier and harmonious in the world of Land Back than the Neo-Colonialism we endure.
The Imperial Middle: Why Americans cant think straight about class
I’m willing to concede that while indigenous peoples are technically immigrants, they don’t really need to be viewed that way for practical purposes.
Edit: And of course as expected, three people already came up to bat and readily swung and missed by getting too emotional with their responses. That’s not really taking the issue like an adult.
Is that what you think really happened? Can you quote this emotionality from my response since I was one of those three?
Worth noting that the ancient Greeks believed that democracy is impossible without an ethnically homogeneous population. Otherwise, they believed that there would be too many different competing intentions, that politicians would not have any clear direction and it would be very difficult to get anything important resolved. People love making emotional arguments regarding inclusivity, which is hard to reject without sounding boorish, but there are actual practical concerns with the situation.
Yes, but they also thought that women were inferior to men and slavery was an awesome idea, so maybe they aren’t the best people to look back on for opinions.
and yet the entire enlightenment political infrastucture we have built is based on their ideas.
Nonsense. The Enlightenment was inspired by many ancient Greek and other philosophers, not just advocates of Athenian democracy.
ok.
That’s why you consider the reasons presented by those who invented democracy, rather than simply accepting an idea based entirely on who presented it.
You don’t have to answer me, but ask yourself if our current societies have too many competing ideals, that it’s hard to get anything important done.
They invented direct Athenian democracy.
The U.S. is the first constitutional republic. They are extremely different. This is like saying NASA engineers should consider why the Wright Brothers never left the atmosphere.
America’s problems have nothing to do with what the Ancient Greeks believed.
I mean, I don’t want to be too rude but look at the European democracies who are typically praised in contrast to the U.S. Their populations have been significantly more ethnically homogenous, and only recently have they begun to deal with significant immigrant populations of differently colored peoples. How have they done? Immediate rise of far-right groups and tons of anti-immigrant propoganda.
I’m not claiming the Greeks were right, I think they had a small-minded view of what diversity could bring them, but it is an interesting observation.
On the other hand look at the US, which has been extremely successful as an ethnically diverse republic and in fact wouldn’t be nearly as successful without that diversity. America has problems, but none of them are because there are a lot of different people there.
I mean, the massive number of racists who are currently trying to elect a fascist would disagree, and I think many minority groups would disagree that there haven’t been problems in the very recent past.
Certainly, the fault lies in the racists, but we can’t pretend that is not a problem directly caused by having an ethnically diverse country. It’s one that we’ll need to find a solution for, because otherwise we’ll always have a group who is willing to burn democracy to the ground because they hate people who have a different skin color.
I think many minority groups would disagree that there haven’t been problems in the very recent past.
I mean there are problems for minorities, but not for America as a whole I mean.
because otherwise we’ll always have a group who is willing to burn democracy to the ground because they hate people who have a different skin color.
I think it’s debatable they only do it because they hate people with a different skin color. They also hate women and poor people, among other things, so while the rhetoric would be different I don’t think being a 100% white country would do much to curb the American far right.
Immigrants are the blood of the US. This fascist bullshit is the poison.
From the “Great American Melting Pot” to this shit in one generation. WTF
If you think this is new, you haven’t paid attention to history.
This is the US. Mutt Nation. What the hell does “pure” or “poisoned” blood mean here?
Look up mud people
This country, possibly your grandfathers or great-grandfathers (and in many cases grandmothes), went to war against Nazis, as did most of the world. There were a few fringe sympathizers, but they weren’t representative of “the greatest generation.”
This shit is a new Nazi wave, and it’s not a continuation of something. It’s a flare-up of an old ugly root. All over the world these shits are gaining ground. New media empowers them.
The idea that the world united against the horrible atrocities of the Nazis is post-war propaganda. Your average person didn’t know anything about what was going on until photos of the camps made their way home as we pushed into Germany itself. Most countries didn’t give a shit about the Nazis until they were on their doorstep. Most people said, “Hitler’s only saying that stuff to get elected. Once he’s in office, he’ll calm down, you’ll see.” And then they said, “Well, if we leave him alone, then he won’t bother us.”
Many people across Europe and North America actually agreed with Hitler’s views about the Jews before “The Final Solution.” Antisemitism was common across Europe and North America, if not the globe. In Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to America as the sisterland across the ocean that shares his values.
The phrase “Make America Great Again” was used by the pro-isolationism political group the America First Committee, who formed in 1940 and dissolved after the attack on Pearl Harbor, who largely opposed support for the UK. And they had over 800,000 members from all different backgrounds (from Democrats and Republicans to communists and anti-communists) with major tones of antisemitism and pro-fascist support amongst its leaders and speakers. They dissolved 4 days after Pearl Harbor and joined the war effort, not to fight the Nazis but to protect the US.
The Nazis were inspired by the treatment of Native Americans when they started their camps, and we had our own camps for Japanese Americans. We hated the Chinese when they came here, and we hated the Irish as well. Most ethnic groups coming to the US settled in communities of their own culture from their homeland. That’s why the culture is so varied here, even across a single state. To quote somebody else, “Racism is as American as apple pie, and some people will see hatred of the first as hatred of the second.”
I remember the days after 9/11, when attacks on black people doubled, attacks on Jews tripled, and Muslim parents were asking their kids if they wanted to change their name to something more American to avoid being bullied. That racism has always been present. It was just often couched in the lie of being edgy jokes or just that one racist uncle at the family party. The biggest differences today are that they’re no longer afraid to say it openly, and the number of young men caught up in the rhetoric of the online fascist pipeline that gives them a target to blame all the problems in their life on. The ironic racist jokes of their teen and childhood years stopped being ironic at some point and became their actual beliefs.
The idea that Nazi sympathisers were a fringe group is an vast oversimplification of history. Yes, America chose to fight against the Nazis, but there were huge racist/eugenist movements at the time that included high-ranking politicians and military personnel. Look up the America First movement for just one example.
I first learned about this from the podcast ULTRA. I kept having to check their sources and do further research, because what they said sounded so wild that I felt I should have already known it. Instead it’s just another example of people not wanting to teach their uncomfortable history like the Tulsa race massacre, Indian residential schools in the US and Canada, the Tuskegee syphilis study, etc, etc, etc.
Also, I’d suggest you learn about the history of Nazi Germay. The Nazis weren’t this huge supermajority of the German population, they just had people in the right positions, took power by force, and the populace went along with it. It’s not hard to see parallels with a lot of events in US history where if things went just a bit different the USA could have become a racist, authoritarian state.
In 2016 they said it couldn’t happen here. They laughed at the idea of trump getting elected. They were shocked when he was elected and racism once again reared its ugly head. In Germany they said it couldn’t happen here and look what happened. Now we have Trump, the racists have come out of the woodwork, project 2025 was revealed and we’re very close to the end of America if we don’t do something.
For reference to my comment: http://rsdb.org/slur/mud_people
Nativism is unfortunately a consistent undercurrent.
Look up the “Know Nothing” movement.
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