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…because it’s not in the movie.
This chart makes me wonder about cigarette smoking specifically. It feels like if you looked back 40 years it would be a “U”.
Gotta maximize the target market on everything to get the most clicks and all. It’s why anything that comes out now is so good damn bland.
Rise of sex in TV series 📈
The effect porn on portable devices had on how much people need to make deposits in the spank bank
Incline if use of shades of greys in diagrams instead of easily identifiable colours: up 500%
46 Shades of Grey Short
No wonder, American puritanism is at a record high.
Nah if you want to watch porn you can just watch porn.
Access to adult content is never been easier so we don’t need half-assed versions in our film.
also, there’s some selection bias as the “top X grossing films” has included more and more childrens films over time as adult consumption of all content has moved out of the theatre and to the internet.
QED
No, it’s not. Has everything to do with sex scenes not adding anything of value to a film.
This is at least as true of action scenes, and it doesn’t stop them from bloating the run time of 90% of the movies coming out today.
Sex scenes and action scenes dont necessarily “bloat” movies if they are fun to watch. That’s the whole point, right? To be entertained?
Agreed, well placed and executed action or sex scenes can be used to great effect. They are also equally capable of adding nothing but wasted time. My point is that bad action scenes have been wasting plenty of time in movies lately, so a desire for tight films with no fat is definitely not the cause for the comparative dearth of sex scenes.
Might have something to do with movies catering more heavily to “Family” audiences (the functional death of the R-rate film in theaters) while TV shows cater more heavily to childless adults.
We’ve literally coined the term “sexpository” to justify injecting gratuitous naked time into our 8-12 hour prestige TV shows. We’ve also made these sex scenes a lot gayer, which rubs the Family Friendly crowd the wrong way but plays great with the 20-30 somethings who are all on board with it.
I think this is it. Most movies are trying to avoid an R rating and slide into PG-13, because PG-13 movies generally make a lot more money than R-rated ones because the audience is greater.
They NEVER add to the story. Sex scenes are what perverted assholes like Harvey Weinstein wanted.
Not never, but it’s rare.
Apologies that it’s a link to a paywalled site. I believe they allow viewing one video for free? (I can also give out up to 3 people one week for free, so if anyone’s genuinely interested DM me—preferably not from a lemmy.world account though because federation problems mean I may not receive it for over a week.)
But I found this video and its part 2 very enlightening in terms of ways sex scenes can be used in a way that genuinely does enhance the story.
Counter point the orgy in Caligula. Or atleast that one is simply historically accurate, actually I think they may have toned it down.
Sarah Conner banged a time traveller in Terminator and it actually applied to the plot by creating a paradox. It’s one of the very few times that I wasn’t sitting their thinking “WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING?? WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??”
Have you ever wondered if you’re just asexual?
No, just not a pervert who doesnt understand the concept of right and wrong times for fucking
Yes how could such a core aspect of the human experience possibly have any effect on any story ever
Guillermo Del Toro’s “At The Mountains Of Madness” got rejected because there’s no love interest. Sex scenes rarely if ever add to a movie plot unless that IS the plot
They should have added an interspecies sex scene.
I wonder how much of this correlates with the rise of intimacy coordinators. I’m sure there are productions that think it’s not worth the investment so they just scrap the scene and have it take place off camera etc.
And perhaps a rise in actors not wanting to have their stuff on the internet forever now (even more so with the rise of AI training)
I wonder how much of this is because Disney owns everything.
I wonder how this would trend if we cut out comic book movies from the stat.
Disney isn’t above making R-rated cinema
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Category:R-rated_films
Both Deadpool & Wolverine and Alien: Romulus were Disney flix.
No one hung dong in either
I think it correlates more strongly to the prevalence of pornography. Mainstream movie scenes look fake and contrived, because they are. As unrealistic as pornography is, that is actually a dick, and it is actually going in a vagina.
When your mainstream movie sex scene is going to be compared (unfavorably) to a scene of two people actually fucking, why bother even shooting it?
I think this only happens because sex is as fake as most other emotions in today’s movies.
I also hate how everything is glossy, even character faces. Even fear, blood and shit are glossy.
FFS, old Hollywood with exceptionally cute actors on main roles still would have a bit of that noble mess around, chaotic here and there and in conversations. Good 3d artists know that you need some chaos in everything distinguishable in your scenes or they will look fake.
It’s rather that fake-looking sex scenes in movies don’t feel like art, they feel like porn without satisfaction. So nobody bothers.
While fixing that culture would require changing the environment around film making. You know, the one forming the demand for bore and glossiness.
Still got a pretty good body count, though. Can’t have a sex scene, but films of virtually non -stop violence is cool.
America fuck yea!
But…it’s fuck: no.
Violence: yes
So basically in the
distant future year ofyear 2000 movies mostly had it all?Like fast food (chains) - products topped with sugar, fats, and salt, so there is no need for actual quality?
I scrolled past before I realized that reference wasn’t really intended for humans.
I’d argue that it’s more that pornography is easily accessible and there’s simply not a need or market to titillate audiences like that. You’re just alienating potential audience members who might have gone to see it with their kids, because obviously it’s okay that they see a city destroyed or people shot in the head fifty times, but who won’t buy a ticket because somebody is briefly showing boob.
I’m curious about what, exactly, counts as violence and drugs for this graph though. Is it extreme gore? Any violence at all? Any weed use at all? Drinking?
Pornography with good acting is not.
I know that it’s a joke about it having a plot and all, but I’m personally not very interested in just looking at videos of all the orifices being methodically used as if it’s a factory mechanism during maintenance, unless the woman is very beautiful. But even then the effect from beauty is orders of magnitude less than if there were some real plot and acting.
There are gradations of taste, ya knaw,
I was saying that movies with all of the above are for pleasing the average viewer (which doesn’t exist), so something arising from financial pressure rather than art.
So sex is a vice now or just when its in a film?
It’s long been treated as a vice when practiced outside marriage. I disagree with that but it’s a thing
Early 2000s were full of horny teen films.
But extending the chart to include before 2000 wouldn’t support the chart’s agenda…
Source?
Oh, lol, good explanation actually.
Let’s make a movie about the creator of the nuclear bomb! We can explore the moral implications, the political drama of communists in the USA during and after WW2, the creations of Los Alamos, the interesting science of…
Random corporate head: “Let’s have a sex scene! That will make things interesting!”
That interrogation scene was so awful. It jumpscared me.
Now I am become death, the destroyer of… Ooo… titties!
Booties
Though admittedly IRL and not in jokes I like titties more too, hair and eyes even more so.
This is exactly what came to my mind. It was so unexpected.
Oh, wait, Fappenheimer the war criminal really has a sex scene? Lul
Roughly correlates with the rate of decrease in people 18-30 having sex. I’m not ol sure of the order of influence there, or if there even is one, but it’s possible the declining presence of sex in media is a result of it being less relatable for something like 30% more young people than previous generations.
What bothers me more is that violence gets a PG rating here, sex gets an X rating. How in the world is it more inappropriate for kids to see people naked than for them to watch someone hack someone else to death? The graphic violence should get a more restricted rating than on screen sex.
When your nation always needs to be at war, it’s helps to repress sexuality and normalize violence. This isn’t so much a conspiracy theory, but an observation of an emergence behavior that reinforces itself.
I think you have a good point. It’s also a important part of the handmaid’s tail. Where sex is repressed for most of society. Especially soldiers (?!).
Another part maybe is sports, American society spend so much money in teaching sport to kids at a level that is pretty high. Compared to other nations.
