She would have never been able to be charged before the patriot act. No weapons, no capacity to act on them, vague and unspecific. Its crazy how our freedoms have been eroded and how many folks seem to think thats just fine and dandy.
I’ll never understand how people are ok with limiting other people’s freedom based on “what if”.
Indeed, when George unleashed that shit, Patriot Act, I told everyone we are one step closer to forming the SS or NKVD. Once again, we have Mango Mussolini with his merry band of racist thugs.
I have not liked it since the get go and fought it. Ugh I have these emails to a dem senator with have who came out of the military who is pretty good but to entrenched in the mindset. Still I never really felt it till this arrest. Chilling as fuck.
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Betteridge’s Law of Headlines. Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word “No.”
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No need to scroll further, folks.
She’s a scapegoat. They arrested her to make a public example of her. Fuck those bastards, set her free.
This reminds me of Minority Report. Arrested by the pre-crime unit.
Guilty without the crime actually being committed.
If her crime is threatening then that actually is what she did, in the past.
The punishment of 15 years is just way over the top
That’s not what she did. There are legal standards for what constitutes a threat, and what she said isn’t one.
The legal standards you mentioned seem to disagree with you
On the other hand when women complain about threats from stalkers the police do nothing. You might as well delete the word justice from this criminal justice system.
The system is definitely criminal alright
I saw someone else say this, but I hope they start rounding up the incels on Twitter saying “your body, my choice” as credible rape threats if what this woman said is going to be litigated with such fervor.
Rape doesn’t take money from the rich and is therefore not a crime.
So we should start raping the rich?
Eww I was gonna eat that.
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5 second rule?
Rape is too good for them.
That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Clearly you don’t understand it then.
What exactly is it I’m not understanding about the false claim that “rape is not a crime”?
The rich aren’t losing money because of rape, so the cops don’t care to investigate it. It was a tongue in cheek joke implying cops only exist to protect the rich when their money is at risk. Another comment in this thread pointed out that women are regularly told “there’s nothing we can do” when they go to the police because an abusive boyfriend threatened to hurt them. They’re pointing out the special privilege cops give to the rich
Which is complete bullshit. Men are getting arrested daily on the basis of mere accusation of rape having happened. It’s illegal and it’s one of the most strongly enforced laws there is. This was the case before me-too and especially is the case since.
Exhibit A: P. Diddy.
Unfortunately in way too many cases judges tend to side with the rapist because they’re relatable… See rapist Brock Allen Turner. That happens A LOT. that’s just the one that was publicized.
I personally know two people this happened to. The person who raped them got a slap on the wrist. One victim was a man, the other a woman. Ask around and I’m sure there are innumerable similar stories just like healthcare denials.
I’m saying rich people done get charged with rape.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. She could have said DDD without “you people are next.”
Having said that, if we’re really judging people, and corporations are people, why isn’t the denial of health care seen as manslaughter? 70 people pass every day due to the lack of medical care in America. We have worse outcomes, shorter average life than other civilized countries.
When is a corporation sued for murder & sent to jail? I know it sounds crazy, but that’s the point. These systems aren’t making sense. They lack humanity. This is a bad, morally bankrupt system. Older Americans loves their Medicare: that’s socialism.
I’m so sick of this shit.
why isn’t the denial of health care seen as manslaughter?
Because they make money when they deny something.
Thank you for answering the rhetorical question, homie. ✌️Money is the root of all evil.
Give me yours then so you’ll be a better person?
Tru dat
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
They lack humanity.
If they lack humanity, why doesn’t it make a right?
Nonhumans deserve rights too
True.
Demons don’t.
Hurt people hurt people. I don’t know how to fix things. But if we go around destroying one another, what will be left?
I think the system is immoral. It should be abolished. An absurd takeaway from that would be “health insurance workers should be jailed.”
I find it challenging to say our humanity is through being inhuman to one another. Wouldn’t our humanity need to come from humane action?
I’m as upset as everyone else about these machinations. Everyone is a child of someone. If we don’t remember that, all is lost.
Front line worker: “I have no moral culpability, I’m just doing what my manager tells me to.”
Manager: “I have no moral culpability, I just do what the executives tell me to.”
Executives: “I have no moral culpability, I just maximize shareholder value.”
Shareholders: “All I did was buy an index fund in my 401k. Why you trying to pin this on me?”
186 people murdered by the health insurance companies every day, yet somehow not a single human being involved has any moral culpability.
This is why Luigi did nothing wrong. If there is one person who has moral culpability, it’s the CEO. They justify their obscene salaries by taking credit for a company’s performance. They can accept the moral culpability as well.
It didn’t fly at Nuremberg, yet it flies in capitalistic societies who demanded retribution at Nuremberg. Go figure.
We are limited by our material conditions.
It sure would be nice if all hurt people could be safely rehabilitated and reeducated so they stop hurting people. That’s not feasible at the moment, though.
The next best thing is just making sure they can never hurt anyone ever again, until we can build that society where no one ever gets hurt ever again.
Two wrongs don’t make a right
There was only the one wrong here, she didn’t do anything wrong
Of course not, but they’re going to make an example out of her to deter the rest of the proles.
Except that’s not how that works. She’s going to be a martyr instead.
There is zero chance anyone in a power position in the US can grasp these terms and their real life ramifications.
Unfortunately that’s my conclusion as well. They’ll do this and congratulate themselves on teaching those poors a lesson. In better language I’m sure but that’s the core meaning. And while they’re doing that the “poors” are going to be making protest signs, at the very least.
I think Luigi Mangione is the martyr here.
There’s always room for another.
When a woman calls the cops because her abusive SO threatened to kill her, they can’t do anything about it.
She absolutely does not deserve that. Isn’t America the home of free speech? I guess not for the plebs!
You know what? Everyone deserves freedom of speech, and threatening healthcare CEOs is not, in my opinion, a breach of it. There is a huge difference between threatening vulnerable minorities and threatening invulnerable minorities.
Doesn’t a threat have to be credible? As in you can make a threat if you’d like to but it has to actually be a legitimate threat. This isn’t that.
Realistically unless someone says this phrase and has google searches of the CEOs home address, this isn’t a credible threat at all.
You have to make sure you make threats so outlandish that you couldn’t possibly execute them, like “I’m going to grab Trump by the ankle and spin around really fast, and then let go, launching him directly into the sun”
Maybe if we start a rumor that’s there’s billions of exploitable people on Pluto all the rich CEO’s will race each other there, die like the ones in that shitty submarine and leave us the fuck alone.
Happy ending.
“Freedom of speech” in US Law means that the government cannot suppress ideas, expressions, or beliefs so long as those ideas or beliefs do not harm specific peoples, nor negatively impact public health and morals, nor negatively impact national security. In some cases, it isn’t allowed to promote harm of protected classes including race, religion, skin color, gender, or disability, but in the USA that often becomes a civil matter.
If I had my way we’d be even more strict about it: hate speech would be an actual crime and sexual orientations would also be protected classes.
So a woman quoting a murderer who assassinated an insurance company CEO, directly sending that quote to the insurance company that denied her claim, is not and will never be covered by freedom of speech.
We should erect a giant bronze statue of Luigi. Put it in a road right near UHC’s headquarters in Minnesota. Make them all drive past it each and every day on the way to work.
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It worked for that bullgirl in NYC, didn’t it? Let’s make it happen.
Where is her free speech?
Free speech is for nazis, as far as I can tell
In the freezer, next to the peaches.
Ah, so basically next to the freeze peach; got it :)
They are going to argue it’s not protected under the true threat doctrine.
She was released and all charges dropped. This was a silly farce by the judge and prosecutors from the jump
I don’t think that’s right. She’s been released on bond to house arrest; the charges still stand.
No, the executives, BoD and major investors do.
