Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken Martin will call for DNC officials’ neutrality to be codified in the party’s official rules and bylaws, two Democratic sources tell CNN. Martin has already been telling DNC members of his plans and will explain more in a call with members Thursday afternoon.
. . . “No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” Martin told reporters on a call Thursday. “Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.”
The DNC’s Rules & Bylaws committee is expected to vote on Martin’s proposal next month in a virtual meeting. If the committee approves the proposal it will advance to a full vote of the DNC membership in August.
The push for the new rule comes days after Hogg, who beat out a crowded field to become one of three DNC at-large vice chairs in February, announced his plan to help primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts through his group Leaders We Deserve. The organization plans to spend a total of $20 million in next year’s midterms supporting young people running for office.
Hogg stressed that his effort would not target Democrats in competitive districts or use any DNC resources, including voter files or donor lists. He told CNN in an interview last week that he would not endorse in the presidential primaries if he is still a DNC leader.
“I don’t take it personally,” Hogg said of the criticism of his primary challenge. “There’s a difference in strategy here, and the way that we think things need to be done.”
“Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.” Since when has the DNC not put it’s thumb on the scales in the past few decades, or ignored the voters entirely?
DNC: “Fuck Bernie, it’s her turn.”
DNC thumbing the scales is why we ended up with Trump twice. cause they kept insisting on running candidates no one wanted.
Thumb on the scale…? The vote records are public, the primary races haven’t even been close for many decades.
So is the lawsuit in which democrats successfully argued that they didn’t have to hold honest primaries.
Primary races haven’t been fair for decades.
Disagree, I blame lack of participation.
Am I out of touch?
No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
*gestures to trump in white house
*gestures to the lack of a proper DNC primary
Or general systemic failures of the dnc in general
DNC Primaries happen even if you cover your eyes, pal.
No doubt. But those primaries won’t feature the candidates people really want to vote for. The few that manage to slip through will be either ignored or derided like Bernie was.
Given that you’ve got about 100 years to play with - who else besides HRC did they put their thumb on the scale for?
Please show your work.
It’s probably easier to count the ones where the DNC didn’t have their thumb on the scale. First, it’s been way less than 100 years since voters even determined who the candidate was; before 1976, primaries were basically just opinion polls, and delegates picked who they wanted regardless of voter input. Also, after the Carter team blamed Ted Kennedy for their loss, the DNC started ostracizing candidates that made primary challenges, so they definitely put their thumb on the scale for incumbents. So off the bat, we’re looking at less than 50 years of primaries, and only in non-incumbent years.
Then the party definitely put its thumb in the scale for Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and they literally just picked Harris in 2024. So, that means that the unbiased primaries would be Carter in '76, Mondale in "84, Dukakis in 88, Clinton in 92, Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004 (though personally I think they kinda did a hit-job on Howard Dean) and Obama in 2008. Out of 12 primaries in over 48 years, 7 have been open and fair contests. About 58% successful in keeping their thumb off the scale.
Oh, the primary that gave us Obama was biased as hell. For Clinton.
It wasn’t enough. The party learned, though. Which is why they’ve been moving towards not even having primaries when they can just shove a centrist at us and order us to vote like they want.
1968? There were literally riots
If you look at Alexandria Ocacia Cortez’s primary, when the DNC realized what was happening they tried desperately to undo her primary win. Going so far as to endorse the incumbent Democrat who stayed on the ballot due to a technicality.
These people are not trustworthy at all.
Another example would be Biden’s primary win in 2020. The DNC used the pandemic as an excuse to end the primary process early and just declare Biden the winner. And even before that they were heavily pushing Biden on everyone and doing their best to lock Bernie out of just about every poll they conducted, pretending like had no chance even though he was pulling numbers that were equalling, and even surpassing in places, Biden at the time.
Good examples. Both from ~six years ago and not the original claim of “decades” but good examples.
Love you casually ignoring the people/comments showing even older examples.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/19535112
I haven’t seen any evidence that Bernie should have won the 2016 primary. He was close by like 12% margin, but he still lost by millions of votes.
I still remember the DNC talking points, along with the media going along with the bullshit superdelegate fuckery to custom the story at the time, radically changing the race. Bernie was absolutely rat fucked by the DNC. I guess people can argue He Isn’T eVeN a ReAL DemoCrat, true, but that just plays into the fuckery.
I mean, to me that isn’t fuckery. They let an independent run on their primary tickets and he only lost by about 12% margin despite not being perfectly aligned with their platform. Hillary might have had a lot of advertisement money to play with but we also know that outside influences were promoting Bernie on social media to create a spoiler effect.
What spoiler effect? He was running for the Democratic nomination, not as a third party candidate. And with a very small number of vocal exceptions, everyone who voted for Bernie in the primaries voted for Hillary in the general. It was her absolute failure to get independents in multiple flyover states that lost her the election. And a huge part of that is her attempt to appeal to republicans. A strategy that also failed spectacularly for Harris in 2024.
The spoiler effect is when a candidate has an effect on the election even without winning. People still say Bernie Sanders should have been president, and yes that would have been a much better outcome, but the fact is that Hillary Clinton winning the general also would have been a much better outcome but those same Bernie Sanders supporters writhe at Hillary’s mere mention even after he endorsed her.
People exist who literally don’t trust the DNC as an establishment because “they did Bernie dirty”. And that is exactly what the Russians and the Tankies wanted to happen. Mission accomplished.
I don’t follow Russian propaganda and I’m not a tankie. And I know for a fact that the DNC did Bernie dirty. And that’s why I don’t trust the DNC. That’s not a problem caused by Bernie, that’s a problem caused by the DNC being a shady organization.
And blaming Bernie for Hillary’s loss in 2016 is just idiotic because Bernie had nothing to do with Hillary losing the general in 2016, that was all on her. She’s the one who failed to get the votes. There may have been vocal Bernie bros who were talking about how they didn’t want to vote for her but most of the people who voted for Bernie in the primaries voted for her in the general. That’s because people who voted in the primary are politically engaged. The problem is that Hillary failed to get those who are not politically engaged on board with voting for her. And the people like you who blame Bernie for her loss are part of the problem not part of the solution. You make excuses for her and you make excuses for Kamala Harris and you make excuses for people like Chuck Schumer and Nancy pelosi who have basically ceded the entire Congress to the Republicans in exchange for keeping the meager power that they currently hold. Because that’s all they care about.
Inside influences were promoting Hillary on mainstream media to create a spoiler effect.
You say that like it’s worse lol. Was it unclear that by “outside” I meant “outside of the USA”?
Was it unclear that by “inside”, I meant “inside the DNC”.
Sadly finite can’t admit the dnc is anything but perfect. It’s just everyone else that’s the problem nothing with the dnc
Bernie’s loss is seen as a direct result of DWS’s committee fuckery by most people on here. Which is not the same as it being true, it just gets a lot more attention.
It’s the case that he didn’t win enough votes. But I think it was the first time he got such good exposure for a national contest.
Hillary Clinton started with over 500 delegates before even 1 ballot was cast in a primary. And it was widely reported by every news outlet as if she had won some kind of campaign. They failed to mention that those were super delegates, meaning powerful individuals within the party who could cast their own full delegate vote for a candidate. Then she secretly took control of the party’s finances and then her friend, who was the DNC chair, arranged for every debate between her and Bernie to be on Sundays late at night when people wouldn’t be inclined to watch. They pressured the news outlets to downplay Bernie’s victories and over report on Hillary’s. Yes, she won the primary by many delegates, but the effort to lock the nomination up for her was a mafia style fix that undermined the entire democratic process.
And in 2020, when Bernie was gaining a great deal of momentum against Sleepy Joe, they used the pandemic to cancel all the remaining primaries and declare him the winner. The DNC doesn’t have my support and won’t for the foreseeable future. They’ve made this bed with Trump and we’re the ones who are going to have to lie in it. We need a different party. Not the fucking “Green” party either. Cause fuck those neoliberal assholes.
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