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      I thought that’s why y’all kept sacrificing children to gun violence, but apparently they were to support, not fight, facism. Or at least to have them hanging there while supposedly American values get trampled.

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        Look, it’s not simple. Armed rebellion is not a good time. If that course is taken it’s critical to first understand where the states fall. Since each has it’s own military, among other things, no tactical decisions can be made until those lines are drawn, or fragmented accordingly.

        It’s kinda the equivalent of asking why the Italians aren’t doing a revolution because the EU decided to ban Pasta. Like sure they did that, it’s not good, but like what happens if Germany doesn’t participate and Ireland sides with Italy?

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          People keep wondering why we aren’t in a full blown shooting war yet, even trying to bait us into it. That day will come, it’s nearly inevitable at some level, but it takes time to get to that point. It will take EVERY American to feel like we have done EVERYTHING we can to avoid it, and then the MAGA Nazis are finally going to do something to put us over the edge, and it will be on.

          I have a few red lines. One is my son. My son will not be fighting in any MAGA war, period. If he gets drafted he will not go. If the government does anything to him, I will become a very dangerous person.

          Another is elections. If elections are suspended or cancelled for ANY reason, then America has ceased to exist, and I cooperate with nothing. I don’t pay taxes, I don’t follow the laws, etc. As far as I am concerned, there is no government, no law enforcement, no laws. Without elections, we are without a government, we are in a state of Anarchy, and I will recognize no authority.

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            People keep moving the goalposts. I’ve been hearing next line in the sand will be 'the onec since their Godking rose to power.

            I’m sure it will be the files bro. Surely the files. Trust me bro one more scandal.

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          Also, this country is huge and most of us are living paycheck to paycheck. It’s tough to have an armed rebellion when you can’t afford enough gas to drive to the front lines.

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          I hope you realize your argument boils down to “because the right people aren’t suffering yet”. 🤢

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      You motherfuckers are already armed. But he’s not black or a child no no one is gonna shoot him anyway

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        That’s exactly what he’s hoping for.

        He’s militarizing cities as we speak. If he keeps amping it up, protests will theoretically follow. MAGA will find some reason to claim these protests “turned violent”. Trump declares martial law and cancels elections. Done.

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    I’m fucking tired of this fucking dumbass and everyone who enables him by saying he’s just joking. Sometimes, people are not joking. It’s not just a fucking prank, bro. And even if it was? What kind of professional politician just pulls pranks nonstop?

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      He’s never joking. He’s a genuine psychopath, he has no sense of humor. He’s just learned to pretend like he has one to fool the normal humans without broken personalities. If he says it, he’s serious.

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        He only presents it like a joke to get people used to the idea. Anyone that reacts with outrage at his statements are immediately mocked and denigrated as dramatic nonsensical leftists. Then when they actually do the thing they claimed would never happen, the tune changes from accusing the left of senseless hysteria to them accusing them of being anti-American, Pro-crime, etc etc.

        Every step they take with the federalization of armed forces is to get the populace used to the idea of it happening. And, so far, that has been largely successful. So when they actually mobilize, there will be far less pushback.

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          Okay, so you’ve clearly been paying attention. Keep it up brother, I’m sure you’ve already figured out that there’s a LOT of trouble ahead. We’re not getting out of this without violence.

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            They will continue to escalate things until they take a major action like the Nazis did with the Night of Long Knives. It’s just a matter of what that will be. I’m expecting something with Mexico. Since he has started talking about military incursions to deal with cartels, if applied to the strategy aforementioned, he’s conditioning the public to get used to the idea. Then, when he invades Mexico and pisses off even more Americans, I think they’re expecting riots in response. Once the riots happen, he will send in military not to occupy cities but to completely take them over.

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              Yeah, it will be Mexico. He can rally a significant portion of the population against “cartel terrorists,” but he would have a hard time doing that against Canada. Plus, Canada is essentially England, and even an ignorant moron like him can figure out why that would be a bad idea.

              And yeah, they are already staging it, “leaking” details, etc.

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    One of the reasons he’s so desperate to end the Ukraine War is so he can collect his Nobel Peace Prize, freeing him to start his war with Mexico, and have a draft, essentially enslaving the entire young male demographic so they can’t be used against him in a Civil War.

    Then he can use the Mexican War as an excuse to suspend elections, even though we’ve never cancelled an election in our history, not even during the Civil War.

    The fact that he lept on Z’s remark about no election, illustrated that he’s been giving this a lot of thought, wondering what might work as a reasonable excuse. Dems love Zelensky, and he cancelled elections because of the war, so if America is in a war, he can cancel elections, and the Dems will have to accept it. It won’t occur to him that there’s a difference between fighting a war in a separate country, and fighting a war within your own capital city.

    It also won’t occur to him that just because something happened in a different country, doesn’t mean we have to accept it here. We have a Constitution, that’s the rule book, not some nation on the other side of the world.

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      It also won’t occur to him that just because something happened in a different country, doesn’t mean we have to accept it here. We have a Constitution, that’s the rule book, not some nation on the other side of the world.

      It boggles my mind that there are still Americans who cling to legalism as some kind of saviour, even after all the months of proof that it is absolutely no barrier to the fascists doing exactly what they want.

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        Just because they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist doesn’t mean we have to accept it.

        We don’t have to match the MAGAs immorality to beat them, we just have to play Hard Ball, and force them to follow the rules, and the rules are the Constitution. If they refuse to follow the rules, we can’t just say “Oh well, we tried,” and give up. You FORCE them to adhere to those rules, whether they like it or not. And if they won’t cooperate, you keep pushing, and you NEVER stop demanding that they follow the rules.

        Make them obey, period. You don’t disparage those that are advocating for forcing them to follow the Constitution. That’s just weak, and that kind of Democratic thinking is what allowed MAGA to rise, take power, and then take power AGAIN!

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          Too many people do not want violence of any form ever, so they’ll just let maga do what they want.

          If the rules prohibit something, and they do it anyway, you need to stop them. Much like the paradox of tolerance, the rules are a treaty not a suicide pact.

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            Being committed to Peace doesn’t mean that violence is off the table. It is absolutely last resort, but history often puts humanity in a position of having to defend peaceful people against Monsters who are equally committed to violence and oppression. It’s an unfortunate position, but we did not choose this, the Monsters did, and therefore we have to meet them on their terms.

            The difference is that if our violence wins, it’s over, and Peace is restored. If the Monsters win, they are just getting started.

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      We have a Constitution, that’s the rule book, not some nation on the other side of the world.

      It’s just words on paper if not enforced. And Republicans haven’t been keen on enforcing it when it comes to him, not specifically but especially.

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        Enforcing it is the Democrats’ responsibility, but Schmuck Schumer is literally the weakest, most cowardly Democratic leader I’ve seen in my long lifetime. He is so ineffective, and he has become so wealthy from insider trading, that I am honestly starting to suspect that he is working with the MAGA Nazis, or at least actively unopposing them.

        His weakness is a major reason that MAGA was able to rise, get elected, and rise again to get elected AGAIN. He is as reliable to MAGA as any of HitlerPig’s trusted henchmen.

        If Schmuck Schumer isn’t a secret MAGA, he is just the same as one. It’s long past time to kick him out.

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      essentially enslaving the entire young male demographic so they can’t be used against him in a Civil War.

      Ever heard of mutiny? Because that is how you get a mutiny.

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    So did they cancel elections when US invaded Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Nah… but Trump just wants to cancel elections. He is a dictator. Since there’s nothing and no one stopping him - there’s no reason why he won’t just do it. It’s what 70 million Americans wants anyway.

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    Oh hey look, it’s exactly the thing I was talking about when Trump ran for a second term the first time.

    “If Trump wins this election, there won’t be any more elections.”

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      That was Musk on Biden of course. Nothing could have been more obviously bullshit. But half of your voters still got taken in by it all.

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    We’ve had elections during a war before and we can do it again. Ukrainian laws don’t apply to the US.

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      Yeah, the law pertaining to not holding elections during martial law in Ukraine was created during another person’s presidency as well. He didn’t make that. (It stemmed from Russias invasion into Ukraine in 2014, law made in 2015). Zelensky didn’t become president until 2019.

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      If the war was closer or even inside the US, it might be a different thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could still consider it though.

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          I can’t help but feel like a civil war is a different scenario. Russia currently controls 20% of Ukraine. For the sake of simplicity, that’s 10 US states. I have a very hard time believing that if a foreign country had complete control of 10 states, and the majority of the people of those states, for all intents and purpose were unable to vote, an election would go over smoothly. I have to imagine it would be an utter shitshow.

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            Practically, if the US was actually occupied by a foreign force (having a puppet president doesn’t count), then the occupied areas will not be able to cast their ballots, and the states being partially occupied will have a biased result and electors will be appointed by those living in unoccupied areas. If a whole state is occupied, they probably would have electoral votes that are not cast (since they wouldn’t have a certificate of ascertainment from the now defunct state government). Election would get very ugly even if its a 51/49 split in the remaining electoral college votes since if, say, a state with 18 electors is occupied, one side could get 265 electoral votes and the other gets 255 electoral votes, so there would be a constitutional crisis on whether this counts as a majority (265/520) or not a majority (265/538).

            But I’m guessing they’ll go by Civil War precedent and just exclude the occupied states from being counted so its probably 520 as the total electoral votes using that same example.

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            I see where you’re coming from, though I would argue that if we’re at war in '28 it won’t be because the US was invaded by a foreign power.

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    He is NOT JOKING. This is his plan.

    You think he’s deploying the military on US soil because he gives a fuck about law and order? Guess again. He’s testing the waters now to see what he can get away with when the time comes.

    Federal elections have never been cancelled or postponed in the history of the nation. Not even for the Civil War, or WWII. It’s mandated by the constitution.

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      He is a dictator. There will be no more elections. America is an autocracy.

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      Same how the 14th Amendment to the Constitution is basically invalidated as long as some states hold off on challenging his EO undoing it.

      He’ll do some “Elections will happen, but only in states that are nice to me and I expect to win” EO and will basically take CA and IL out of the results, and their results won’t be certified by Congress. Because right now it’s a race to rig 2026 to save donor campaign money.

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    He’s telling everyone what his plan is. War incoming by Jan 2029.