• infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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    This, combined with the absolute imperative to keep the grid balanced, can create negative prices, which have become common in China’s heavily populated Shandong Province.

    But instead of just suffering or firing up diesel generators, millions of Pakistanis installed solar panels to free themselves from the grid. The country imported so many Chinese solar panels that the grid as a whole began to fall into what is called a death spiral. Customers started opting out, leaving the grid to charge ever higher prices, which led even more people to flee, and so on.

    The duality of globalization.

    The Chinese government has tried to get supply under control by pushing the strongest polysilicon firms to form a cartel and squeeze out lesser players who refuse to exit the market. But so far, this seems to be a long shot.

    Very wild and fantastical timeline we’re in.

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    In 2018, the city of Shanghai lured Tesla in to build a gigafactory with what seemed like an especially attractive offer. For years, foreign automakers like Ford, GM, Volkswagen, and Toyota had dominated the Chinese car market—the world’s largest—but were required to form joint ventures with Chinese firms for the privilege of doing business in the country. Shanghai told Tesla it could fully own its Chinese operations. Subsidies for land and cheap loans were proffered as well.

    Tesla’s Shanghai gigafactory was completed in 168 days. It quickly became Tesla’s largest in the world. And it was fed by a network of local component suppliers that cropped up around it. The only problem—for Tesla, anyway—was that those local firms eventually became the basis for a Chinese supply chain that supercharged the nascent electric vehicle sector in the country. Nearly overnight, firms like Nio and BYD were producing plug-in cars that could rival Tesla in cost and quality. As with solar, a wave of entrants battled for market share, causing profits to evaporate but giving consumers great choices at excellent prices.

    The Chinese really mastered the art of using capitalist logic to benefit the people consumers.

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      Notice how when it’s Chinese people doing it, simply offering a good deal is called “luring”. Everything has to have a sinister undertone.

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    the headline seems so orientalist “the chinese manage to save the world only through their sheer incompetence and lack of discipline”

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    Interesting article. Although it seems to me like a lot of the “chaos” described here is a product of using markets to manage distribution and production rather than central planning. Or rather, it only looks like chaos if you look at individual parts of the system in isolation through the lens of market logic, but you miss the overarching planning that is happening on national level in China. A “can’t see the forest for the trees” situation.

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          I reckon they must be using AI to do quick searches on marxist literature for choice quotes which honestly I am perfectly fine with. I might start reading Wire again just for this series.

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        I especially liked this sentence:

        Who benefits, aside from the environment? It’s actually hard to say.

        The only beneficiary is the environment? How tragic.

        The people enjoying cheap electricity are not benefiting apparently.

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          whose violence is principally financial

          Holy shit they suddenly acknowledged that something like “financial violence” exist, while it was just sparkling freedom, liberty and equality when the spiked fist of market socially murders workers for centuries

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          That last quote is just plain awesome, especially considering what sort of site is saying it. This must be one of the best “China is bad”/ cope articles I have read in a while.

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          Also, and also later on it just straight up says that everybody benefits

          Indeed, the greatest beneficiaries of China’s renewables revolution may, in fact, be consumers, both inside and outside of China.

          The whole article basically explains how capitalism is harmful if you read it critically. 🤣

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    Without reading the article the headline and summary remind me of a sales meeting I was roped into at my previous employer.

    The sales manager said sales to Chinese firms were very good in the moment, but that can change at any moment because the government is completely unpredictable. All I could do was laugh internally.

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      Lol, China literally has the most predictable governance in the world. They are conservative to a fault and publicly announce and write all of their plans down a minimum of five years in advance.

      The only way you could be surprised by anything China does is if you are incapable of reading.