Why??? We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They’re not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.
There’s not a shortage of workers, but of wages.
Except that US has an aging population and it’s going to get worse in future because the birth rates aren’t that high. Closing off border is going to fuck US in the long run.
Yeah, but by then all the old people making the decisions will have milked the system dry and died.
Oh I agree the closing off the border is dumb. Only a tiny fraction of illegal immigration is over the border anyways: the vast majority is people overstaying Visa’s.
But the whole “aging population” issue is just more propaganda from corporate interests to try to find ways to get more workers and continue to suppress wages.
Why is the population aging in the first place? No one can afford to have children.
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Thank you for sharing sources - it got real fucking quiet after these links lmao.
Haha, for sure. There was so much “clever zingers” getting thrown around that didn’t add up logically or even hypothetically. Shout out to OlPatchy2Eyes, who found this link first but got buried in all of the comments and one uppers.
I just redistributed it to anybody who asked “why is this happening?”
Can you please provide a source for Biden repeatedly asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds?
Oh, Whitehouse.gov has an actual timeline.
TLDR, day he became president, Jan 2021, He terminated wall funding he had legal control over, that’s what I mentioned about the money going back to the DOD, called for Congress to reallocate cheeto wall funding, that request has been active for 3 years, and there’s an official reiteration by the white house for Congress to cancel Cheeto wall funding.
Thanks!
For sure, have a good one
This one is with an interview of Biden:
Hopefully, they at least switched contractors.
Haha, I doubt it. It’s the same law from 4 years ago so everything is probably all the same.
Are you referring to a specific debacle with the contractors, or just the fact that the walls fell apart so quickly and were immediately rendered ineffective after wasting billions of dollars building them?
I just found this thread and tracked down the original for you.
Which explicitly states the same language, but from 2019.
Oh, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s the exact same law from 2019
yep!
Well, the contractors that the trump administration used were just bratva fronts. So I would hope that we’re at least not giving anymore money to violent pedophiles.
Oh, I don’t know anything about this. Do you mind giving a little exposition or throwing up a source I can read? Thanks
Wouldn’t it be better if immigration was easier? That takes away the argument of illegals taking jobs blah blah.
To take it away from the list of topics Trump can run with…
What a narrow view when one looks at historic pay adjusted for inflation. Your view literally supports a lower quality of life for everyone not willing to work for a slave wage, that illegal immigrants are willing to do.
Student loans: I sleep
Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
“Nothing will fundamentally change”
The “harm reduction we just have to get him elected and then we’ll push him left” blue maga president everyone.
We’re building the wall, Jack
Chocolate chocolate chip!
What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?
Jim Crow Joe
Won’t a wall, supposing it’s somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?
Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
Finally, wouldn’t the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments’ budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).
Don’t get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it’s not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.
Looks like a legacy baby hands decision, not a biden decision: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
How about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won’t have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.
“Make your laws more convenient for me or I’m going to break them”.
A lot of people enter the country and become legal citizens every day.
According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.
This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.
That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.
Oh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line
Those bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!
Reserve army of labor. Don’t try to solve the problem by ridiculing it. Offer a better solution.
People are allowed to make jokes, especially about things they can’t control directly. Read the room.
You missed mine.
Whoops! Sorry.
Text can be tricky sometimes. Without tone of voice or body language, sometimes I don’t catch stuff.
And adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh… checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don’t want to work anyway.
Jobs is just a thing people talked about but was never the actual issue. The issue has always been fear of change. Depending on the list you look at right now, Peso Pluma is between the #1 and #12 artist right now in music. There are areas of the country where knowing Spanish has become a near necessity to own a business.
Depending on how racist they are, it might be some #WhiteGenocide nonsense, or it might be that they have some honestly kind of legitimate concerns about changing culture, or they just don’t like seeing all the brown people around. It seems to vary a lot from person to person.
I’m not saying they’re right and I’m certainly not endorsing that way of thinking. I just think it’s important to understand the real reasons they’re all freaking out. It was never really jobs and always plain xenophobia.
That’s not an excuse to allow the wanton exploitation of migrant labor that does, whether you want to admit it or not, undercut US labor on the margins. Not to mention the tolerance of labor violations against undocumented workers undoubtedly trickles up to legal labor and harms a lot more workers than just the migrants.
Illegal border crossings are a serious problem and the proper solution is not to hand wave away conservative concerns about it. All that does is maintain the status quo wherein migrant laborers are kept in legal limbo, facilitating their continued exploitation. That’s bourgeois shit and if I wanted to get a little conspiratorial about it, I’d suggest that maybe that’s the whole point of the “Americans don’t want to do those jobs” rhetoric.
The proper solution is to legalize the migrants, get them documented, and protect them with US minimum wage and labor laws.
you are missing a key word, recorded. got to assume some arent counted which makes that number even higher, holy feck.
Or there’s one dude with a merry-go-round, making the number seem higher.
So?
found the illegal immigrant
I’m just gonna leave it as a quote from the article. If the wording is messed up, it’s their problem. Good point, though!
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It’s a huge problem in the towns and cities immediately on the other side of the border and that’s the primary concern here. Imagine where you live and 671 unhoused and unfed human beings walked into your town every. single. day. No local municipality in the world has the resources to deal with that. It has to be the federal government.
That’s not to suggest that building walls in the wilderness is an effective intervention. But it is an unfortunately popular one. It must be coupled with federal programs to receive, house, and find work for the people arriving at areas not blocked by a wall.
But the people living in those border towns don’t deserve to be burdened with a problem created by federal government policies. The feds need to fix the problem.
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Biden’s executive order to halt construction on the wall didn’t work too well, did it?
For reference, the Trump administration built 458 miles of wall.
Has Mexico sent a check yet? Maybe PayPal?
And how many illegal immigrants did that 458 mile wall stop?
Jack shit
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
This is absolutely not true. This Democratic president allowed this one 20 mile section of border wall to be built, and also supports DACA, common sense immigration reform to increase legal immigration, increased work visas, and more. The leading Republican candidate is trying to build thousands of miles of wall, thinks people should be shot trying to cross the border, and says some people who are US citizens with Latin American heritage should be deported and their citizenship revoked. Where in the living fuck are you getting your information
How about we do a proper census?
No.
The party builds walls.
Stay with me here, what if the democratic party just didn’t do those bad things at all? Or even better, what if we voted for a candidate that wouldn’t do those bad things to begin with?
There are plenty people in the Democratic party who would do things differently, but Republicans universally demonize immigrants and if in power would make life much harder for them.
We live in a democracy where there will always be disagreement between people on policymaking. If you didn’t disagree with a Democratic politician on anything at all, you’re probably in a cult of personality, a la Trump supporters. That in no way means you should stop advocating for the positions you support and voting for candidates that most align with your values.
What we’re talking about here is the difference between Democrats and Republicans after that cynical dude at the top said they were the same when they very much are not. If you don’t support a Democratic candidate in a 2 way race because you don’t support 15% of their positions, you are voting for the Republican, 95% of whose positions you don’t support
I’m not actually voting for either.
Until the USA gets preferential voting, I would suggest considering the repercussions.
Reread the last sentence of the comment you’re replying to.
No candidate will ever be ideal, and apathy just makes things easier for the worst ones. Get off your ass and vote.
I definitely vote in every election. But never for the democrats or republicans.
I misunderstood. If you’re participating in the process and doing what you believe in, that’s cool.
Abortion is illegal in half the fucking country. It’s not the Democrat half. Shut the fuck up.
Abortion is illegal in half the country because DEMOCRATS refused to codify Roe v Wade into law, leaving it vulnerable to being rolled back by the Supreme Court.
They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
Not at all. This is baby hands law, and Biden has asked Congress to cancel it.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
20 miles isn’t enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what’s going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn’t release any actual details about it.
I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.
This is continuing baby hands legislation, not new biden legislation https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
So I guess walls work after all.
A wall demonstrably does not work along a largely unpatrolled, continuously compromised border. Trump proved that by building walls that kept nobody out and quickly fell apart or ran out of funding. I am very curious what the reasoning behind this is. I can’t imagine the impotence of such a deterrent measures up to its cost.
It’s probably just a political play to try and take some ammo away from fox/conservatives who keep crying about the border. Realistically it will be exactly like Trumps 400 miles of wall that do nothing. But w/e politics is made to spend our money on useless stuff
According to the Democrats, walls are only acceptable if Israel, or an elected person with a (D) next to their name says they are ok.
I thought Republicans were the more pro-Israel party? I think you’re trying to insult some people, but this just doesn’t make sense
Being pro-israel, receiving money from AIPAC is bipartisan and evil. I’m not really interested in what party is “the most pro-israel.” I am merely pointing out that the rhetoric condemning trumps border wall, by the current president and other members of the democratic party was obviously bullshit especially considering the Israel has been doing the same for much longer then Trump.
