Pike survived a lethal injection execution on Wednesday. She was sentenced to death for the 1995 killing of her classmate, Colleen Slemmer.
Christa Pike, the woman who survived an execution attempt in Tennessee earlier this week, is on a ventilator as she receives care in the hospital, her lawyers said in a new statement Friday.
“Christa remains critically ill and is receiving medical care for the devastating effects of Wednesday night’s events,” the lawyers’ statement said. “She is critically ill, unconscious, intubated and receiving breathing assistance through a ventilator.”
The statement said she is being treated for “the serious effects of the pentobarbital administered during the execution attempt, including significant injuries to both arms.”
So much for the “christian values” they say to follow. The US is rotten and violence is worshipped so much in the country that this kind of thing is not cause to revolt because she “deserves it”.
You’re not so different from the zionazi state. You’re just more westerner. Christians… shitty hypocrites is what you are. It’s really sad that there is no god nor heaven, you’d all go to hell if that were the case.
And before anyone comes saying bs, no. I’m not defending what this woman did. She deserves prison for what she did. But the way the US “justice” system works is nothing about justice, is plain revenge and slavery. And how interesting is to see them justify the system with their “christian” values…
The world deserves a yellowstone eruption.
“Christians” have been doing crimes against humanity for two thousand years
Who is paying for all this care? The attempted execution seemed like cruel and unusual punishment. I’m not in favor of execution, but if you’re gonna do it, do it quickly and efficiently, as humanely as possible. We euthanize small animals all the time. Is this what they go through?
Not nearly. I had to put down my dog recently, unfortunately and can share how it went.
I’ll start by saying it was time. She was over 15 years old, blind, and disabled. But rest assured that she had a very rich life full of friends and travel. We did everything we could to give her the best life we could afford.
The vet warned my partner and I about how quickly it takes effect. The first thing they did was put in an IV catheter, which was probably the most discomfort she faced. But she was getting spoiled during it. After that it was two shots. The first one made her let out a deep yawn and knocked her out asleep. The second one ensured she never woke up from it, effectively an overdose. She knew the vet well, so from her perspective it was some discomfort followed by a nap.
I miss her every day 💔
Not in the slightest.
The protocols for euthanizing small animals are written by doctors and veterinarians and scientists. None of those people want anything to do with executions, so the protocols for executions are generally written by people with little medical training, and the people conducting the execution are in a similar boat.
The result is that execution protocols are far from optimal. Take for example the typical three drug cocktail- first drug knocks you out, second drug paralyzes you, third drug stops the heart. Only problem is the third drug is extremely painful so if the dosage of the first drug is too low you can be conscious for it but unable to move leading to one of the most torturous painful deaths you can imagine, which nobody on the outside has any idea is going on because you are unable to move.
A much better execution protocol would be something like fentanyl or a single massive overdose of barbiturates. Either one you would just pass out and die quickly. Another option is nitrogen, the air we breathe is 80% nitrogen so the body doesn’t react to it. Simply give somebody 100% nitrogen 0% oxygen, the brain is starved of oxygen, you get painless euphoric unconsciousness in under a minute and death in under 10 minutes. It’s also cheap as hell because it’s all around us.
Thing is- speaking for myself, as a pilot and scuba diver I understand exactly how nitrogen hypoxia works and I could write a 100% bulletproof execution protocol that could be administered by a trained monkey and would lead to a rapid painless death every time. I won’t do it. You could pay me a million dollars and I wouldn’t do it. I don’t have faith in our criminal justice system prudence to execute people. There are too many situations where innocent people have been convicted and executed and the system did not properly consider the evidence in their favor. As such I don’t think it’s ethical for me to help a system kill people when I don’t have faith that they are always going to kill the right people and not the wrong ones.
And the thing is, and not the only one. There’s an awful lot of doctors and medical technicians in this country, and prison systems still have trouble finding ones to deal with executions. There’s tons of pharmaceutical suppliers in the world and prison systems have trouble finding ones that will supply execution drugs at any price. The vast majority of people simply do not want to be part of capital punishment.
And as for who pays, it’s the taxpayer. Given the actual execution and all of the legal hurdles involved, it is a good bit cheaper to just incarcerate somebody for life. Which makes you wonder why some people are so dead set on having a death penalty when for less money we can just lock them up and throw away the key.
Would you hypothetically share that bulletproof plan of yours to those seeking humane euthanasia?
Absolutely, although others already have.
They tried the nitrogen hypoxia
Smith was strapped to a gurney wearing a full-face mask. His last words were said to be, “Tonight, Alabama causes humanity to take a step backwards. Thank you for supporting me. Love all of you.”[2] The nitrogen gas was administered beginning at 7:57 p.m.[27] Some witnesses commented that Smith looked as if he was conscious for several minutes[28][27] and “thrashed violently on the gurney”,[2] breathing heavily for several minutes before his breathing was no longer visible.[28] Smith appeared to lose consciousness at 8:02 p.m.[27] It appeared death occurred when movement of Smith ceased at 8:08 p.m.[27] The curtain to the witness room closed at 8:15 p.m.[29] He was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m.[30]
I saw that. Somebody seriously fucked something up there. My guess is whatever mask setup they use wasn’t giving him 100% nitrogen, or possibly he was holding his breath and fighting it.
I’ve also considered the possibility that he just didn’t want to validate nitrogen as a form of execution, so he made a conscious decision to make it look as painful as possible. If so I say fucking good for him. One of the reasons I would never help write night an execution protocol, even though I could do it, is I don’t want to further legitimize capital punishment in the US. And if there is an easy instant painless bloodless way to execute someone, that is one of the arguments against capital punishment that goes away.
I would never
If you ever think you are going to question the decision to not write those protocols, remember pro-execution people will probably send you death threats, over trying to be humane.
If they are going to argue that I or those like me should be compelled to participate in executions we have no interest in, then I would point out that all of their arguments for personal freedoms and liberties are not being upheld.
I think a great many of the people you describe are just overall hypocritical and don’t even realize it. IE, on one hand they demand the ten commandments be put up in schools, then on the other hand they push the death penalty which is very unlike the religion they claim to follow.
What?? No!
I’m saying that people that want the death penalty are the, “cruelty is the point” people and they would be mad if someone seriously made the process more compassionate
I gotcha.
The vast majority of those people seem to walk a tightrope between ‘bad people should suffer as an example’ and ‘if you killed someone you don’t deserve a painless death you deserve to suffer’ and ‘we support humane execution’. You can usually tell because they seem more interested in humane execution to shut down complaints than to be humane.
A much better protocol is single massive overdose of barbiturates??? Like 5grams of pentobarbital perhaps?
It’s great how you criticize a bunch of yahoos who wrote the protocol, then propose the same thing they did in this exact case.
Just ban the fucking death penalty.
also why wait 30 years? its not the same person anymore
Because of politics, legal arguments and a super-slow judicial system. Sometimes it can be accelerated. Timothy McVeigh was executed pretty quickly.
The most humane way is probably the most gruesome way, which is beheading. Every other “humane” execution contains suffering for a bit, while beheading immediately overwhelm your brain with signals and you’re very unlikely to feel pain. The other way is by hanging, which will likely snap your neck once you drop down and overwhelm your brain with signals, but the risk is if the rope doesn’t adjusted to the right height you’re gonna hurt your neck while suffocating.
So get your guillotine now.
Yeah, a cruel (or just incompetent) hangman would shorten the drop so that you die from slow strangulation instead of a quick snap. And given the cruelty is the point, I wouldn’t trust Tennessee to do it properly.
Guillotines are effective, but if not kept properly maintained, they can fail to completely sever the head. And there is some evidence that death is not instant.
Personally, if I was to choose my manner of execution, it would be firing squad. But the most effective would be sedative overdose or nitrogen asphyxiation, again only if done properly.
Also the destruction of the brain like with what is used to kill livestock would also work. Brain can’t feel pain if it’s converted into a liquid.
Most pharmaceutical companies won’t sell the state the drugs used to properly kill someone. Rather than stop executing people, the state tries to make do with whatever they can get their hands on.
Why not just buy fentanyl in bulk from China and give them a hot shot?
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I believe there are all sorts of restrictions on what sources they are allowed to buy from. This is also supposed to be “punishment” so they don’t want the prisoner to feel good before they die.
I had fentanyl administered by a professional once and I didn’t feel good, I just lost consciousness within some three seconds. Probably the matter of right dose.
On the other hand, death penalty supporters probably wouldn’t want to take chances with the three seconds window.
Maybe don’t execute people then.
If it was wrong for her to do it then it’s wrong for the state to do it.
Yeah like, if she recovers what are they going to do, kill her again?
I’m against capital punishment and the way they do it in the US is barbaric. But at this point it would be more humane to pull the plug or hit her with a hammer or something
She literally asked to be executed by firing squad. This all was foreseeable and has happened many times before.
In medieval times this would have been considered a sign from god and they would have set her free
I doubt she will recover fully. Her liver, kidneys and other organs will be fried. It’s very possible she might still die from this, just over a long period of time.
I think she will likely win a legal appeal for clemency and the state is unlikely to really fight over it because the family could claim damages for the unnecessary harm.
This case is going to be in textbooks and history books on the subject of capital punishment in the future.
You really have to ask yourself what was the point? The crime she did is beyond words, but what is gained by killing her now? She’s been on death row for over 30 years. If she was on a 25 year sentence she might have been up for parole. Is she really a danger to society? Ok, refuse her parole and move on.
Do you really think the 18 year old who did the horrendous crime gave a shit that the punishment was the death penalty? Will it stop the next 18 year old from killing? It doesn’t prevent crime at all, it’s just retribution. Is that really something necessary for the public good?
Establishing the premise that killing someone is ok if it’s because they did something wrong might be dangerous if your entire society is armed and has strong moral opinions.
The only time I can agree with the death sentence is if the subject of it has proven to be 1, incorrigible and guaranteed to repeat offend 2, have an offence so vile that they cannot be risked a release into the public, either intentionally or accidentally 3, whose guilt has been established in irrefutable manner.
Think absolute menace serial killer psychos. Child rapists.
This comment implies the motivation is to protect the public from particularly dangerous offenders.
Life in prison without the possibility of parole is similarly protective.
No it isn’t - see “accidental” (unintentional) release.
So the incompetence of prisons is what makes you in favor of executing people?
No. The possibility of a murderer, who tortures and kills people for fun, escaping and torturing and murdering even more people makes me to consider it for the worst of the worst.
99.999% of all incarcerated can be rehabilitated - sure, some might never understand why it was wrong to kill, but at the very least you can get to a point where they won’t do it again - given the appropriate treatment and effort.
It’s the remaining 0.001% - the once a decade psychopaths, the Dahmers, the Lecters, and so on - whom are not rehabilitable, whom cannot even be in a regular prison, who require isolation and constant watch, who cannot be allowed even the chance of escaping.
Why? Because I value the multitudes of lives of the potential victims over the singular life of someone who clearly doesn’t care about others’.
I disagree with you, but I disagree more with the people who are downvoting you for sharing your opinion.
You’re engaging in conversation and debate respectfully, and people shouldn’t be downvoting you for that.
It’s because they’re arguing from a position of emotion, not facts.
downvoting is just expressing a disagreement then? Is it disrespectful to express than an opinion is wrong using the tools this platform is built around? really strange way of thinking
No. … escaping
So you say ‘no’, but you explain ‘yes’.
The rest of your fiction doesn’t hold water either. You will never be able to separate the 99.999% from the 0.001% with a 100% of certainty. I for one think a girl that committed a gruesome murder at the age of 18 has at least a non-zero percent chance of rehabilitation.
Your reading comprehension is lacking, and it’s showing.
And I think I very specifically pulled her example out as someone who CAN be rehabilitated. She doesn’t deserve the death penalty, arguably not even the life sentence (probably 20 years would be fair).
Prison should not be about punishing someone for what they did, but to ensure that 1, they don’t do it again once released 2, they understand why what they did was wrong.
Therefore the death sentence should only be applicable to those who have committed an egregious enough crime AND have proven to be impossible to rehabilitate.
But please let’s continue nitpicking because that’s totally going to resolve this debate…
guilt has been established in irrefutable manner
Since this is impossible, I’m firmly against the death penalty.
In the age of DNA, this is most certainly NOT impossible.
No it isn’t impossible.
Objective, irrefutable evidence exists. Video recordings that clearly show one’s face, with further supporting evidence to ensure its not mistaken identity.
The words you’re using have rules. I don’t mean this in an adversarial way, but you are wrong.
Irrefutable evidence does not prove the claim, it just proves that you can’t refute the evidence. Video evidence can be misleading or fake. DNA evidence needs context to prove anything.
Anyway, like I say, these things have rules. The only things in the entire human domain that can be positively proved are mathematical statements. This is why gravity remains a theory, even after 350 years. One single counterexample disproves it. There are numerous examples of this happening in the context of the death penalty, where a jury was so convinced of guilt they condemned someone who was later executed, then, later still, new information emerged which proved them to be innocent.
Just by the pure first-principles of logic, the death sentence is a bad idea.The death sentence is a bad idea.
And in 99.9999% of the cases, I agree with you. Including this case. This woman doesn’t deserve to die, especially not in this botched manner (and especially not when people whose decisions are directly responsible of the suffering and death of thousands - the UnitedHealth CEO for example would sooner deserve this kind of execution, not the quick death of Luigi’s bullet).
And, again, I repeat, there’s maybe one or two individuals every decade that are truly so gruesome and irreparably incompatible with society that they would deserve to die - and even then, I’d tie their death sentence to rigorous examination of all evidence to completelt exclude the potential of them being innocent; thorough psychological evaluations to confirm that they’re incorrigible and irrehabilitable, and extensive security advisory that confirms the danger they’d pose to society.
Video footage in the age of LLM is completely worthless as evidence.
No it isn’t. Even the best LLMs are incapable of making perfect fakes.
They might fool the average viewer, but forensic analysis can still easily pinpoint fakes.
And beyond that, I’ve already mentioned two methods that individually key a video or photo to specific hardware that is nigh impossible to fake (aka it’s mathematically possible, just not physically).
How do you prove the video hasn’t been tampered with?
Forensic analysis can already do that. Yes, even AI tampering can be proven.
I feels like you’re missing the point. There’s a tons of cases where innocent people get prison time despite no hard proof on them(via coercion or the lack of alibi), then there’s guilty people who hired a gang of lawyers to throw out hard evidence one by one(by finding every minor mistake by the prosecutor). It’s incredibly hard to proof people are beyond reasonable doubt that they should be executed, especially when the guilty can just play innocent.
How?
“trust me bro”
Ask a forensic analyst? I am not one so my knowledge of it is cursory at best.
However recent hardware now includes hardware level attestation in the image files that cannot be reproduced, so validity of video and photo evidence can NOW be established easily. If the signature is there, easy, the video wasn’t manipulated. If it is missing, the evidence is no longer attested, therefore questionable.
For now. At this point, it doesn’t matter much if the AI economic bubble collapses, research will continue, potentially at a lesser pace, and could still outpace, even if temporarily, detection methods.
Yeah, uh, no.
It might avoid free eye detection (still doesn’t, AI content is still incredibly easy to spot), but FORENSIC analysis is a bit more thorough than that.
Though I really love these kinds of comments. I at least used to work in the field some 15 years ago, so I have some awareness of what’s going on. Meanwhile the group of people here who saw flashy AI demos and two-three episodes of CSI think they know best.
For example, here’s a fun fact: camera sensor pixels aren’t equal. Even on the same sensor, there’s a subtle level of difference in sensitivity between pixels, pixel blocks, and so on. The built in ISP also has its own unique signature. Hell, there’s even a unique signature in the variations of the variance between key frames! All of which can be extracted - much like a hash - but would take immense computational power (we’re talking quantum computing levels, since it IS essentially reversing a hash or cryptographic key) to properly break.
This kind of fingerprinting alone could verify if a video was tampered with nor not. There’s been whitepapers about this kind of verification since at least 2012. Yet I bet none of you who oh so confidently downvote, knew about it.
Where is the line between “objective and irrefutable” and “room for reasonable doubt”?
Where is it today?
If there’s no contradictory evidence, then there’s no room for doubt. At that point it is up to the jury to make the decision - including if the death penalty should be applied, if the person truly poses a danger to society justifying their death.
Again, in my opinion, the death penalty is 99% antiquated. The only time it is ever justified if the person’s existence in itself poses a threat to the public. A simple murder, no matter how grievous, like this case, is definitely not death penalty worthy. The likes of John Wayne Gacy, or Jeffrey Dahmer. Of whom there’s maybe one every decade or so.
Think absolute menace serial killer psychos. Child rapists.
Billionaires.
so what’s the plan? nurse her back to health (long painful recovery) and then execute her after another 10 to 15 years?
Its the American dream™
They’re also freely giving her better medical attention and coverage than an abhorrent percentage of the rest of the population. They’re giving her care that an insurance company would do their damndest to deny, and as soon as she’s conscious, they’ll try to kill her again.
The state is probably pissy though because now they have to do paperwork to get another death warrant signed.
What an unnecessary fiasco.
How is it that these United States, which kills loads of people through military, police, and imperialism, and for profit healcare, but mess up killing one woman who doesn’t have the ability to resist her own death?
Because - and I can’t stress this enough - there is a severe case of “I really don’t give a shit” that permeates literally every professional role in the US. From fast food to federal government, there are way way too many people who just literally do not give a shit.
It’s compounded in the bureaucratic jobs because those are the people the rest of us rely on to get the proper information to the people who need it (i.e. medical records to a doctor, passing info from one party to another), and entirely too often is there literally always something missing that would have taken all of 5 seconds worth of extremely little effort to make sure everything was correct.
It’s honestly astounding just how little everyone seems to care bout anything that isn’t directly involving themselves or someone they know personally.
More like “the people with the specialized medical training to kill people also take oaths of non-harm that prevents them from killing people on the state’s command so the people who end up in the roles of killing people are necessarily not the people with the expert training on how to medically kill people and not mess it up.”
I think you replied to the wrong comment
No, I replied to the correct one.
They asked why it got messed up, your answer was general incompetence, but that’s not really the case here as it’s a specific niche with a competence paradox in that the competent people are necessarily prohibited from partaking in the process.
I think it’s because we’re all beaten down into not caring. In the US, every job is designed to extract as much labor for as little compensation as possible. Therefore, the more you go above and beyond in your job, effectively the less you get out of it. If you refuse to stop caring, you just get burnt out and replaced like a piece of broken equipment.
US has a long history of losing wars too so not that surprising.
mission accomplished? :(
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So if she’s revived, will she have brain damage?
serious question, who gets sent the medical bills? does it go to her or her estate?
The state pays for it. She has no estate.
The state should pay all medical bills.
How broken does a system have to be where the state will pay for healthcare to this level so they can fetishize the death of a criminal, yet the average citizen has to consider whether they can afford to not die?
Still more humane than how she murdered Colleen Slemmer.
i dunno, i’ve been thinking about this the last couple days. i think i’d rather go the way Colleen Slemmer did than spend 30 years in solitary confinement before being strapped to a gurney in front of an audience and being severely chemically burned and possibly brain damaged with the threat of it happening again
While I still maintain a stance of being against all capital punishment, I’m not gonna lie, it’s hard to have sympathy when you read the details of a case like this.
While my sympathy for any given individual on death row is limited, it just feels yucky to be down in the mud lingering on how much someone who’s already in prison needs to get MORE punishment and die at our collective hands. Individuals feel what they feel, but it rots the soul of a community to fetishize revenge like that, even more so to profess some sort of satisfaction that it’s as painful as possible.
Maybe just pull the plug then?
But that would be just letting her die, they wouldn’t get to kill her.
