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      I miss the little Ranger. That thing was the perfect pickup truck (if your market didn’t get the actual perfect pickup truck, the Toyota Hilux)

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    In the future, cars will be so big that we will need a second, smaller car to drive us to the driver’s seat.

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    I’ve never seen something as big as the one on the left, in my entire life. Probably because I haven’t been to the US in a long ass time?

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    One for hauling, towing, driving around offroad and onroad and basically doing everything in and the other for taking it to american car meets.

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    I have a 2011 Nissan titan that is completely stocked no big stupid lift just some different rims and that’s it. It has done great work for me and my family I’ve never had any issues with it I regularly keep it serviced and it will do 20mpg. The amount of people I know who have big giant bro diesel trucks with 2 story high lifts and political stickers on them that never see a speck of dirt and just go to the McDonald’s is stupid. And they all complain about gas prices yet at the same time brag about how there trucks do 8mpg to own the libs…

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      20! Wow… I get from close to 40 on my Toyota auris most weeks. And that’s mostly urban driving

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    Frontiers are awesome little (relatively) work trucks. I don’t ever need to haul people so I ripped out the rear seats and installed shelving for anything I need to keep secure and dry. Big enough bed to throw nasty/oily parts. And a good enough towing capacity for most rental equipment like bobcats and lifts. Basically a half van.

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      This is actually a Navara, which is the European equivalent of the Frontier. As far as I know, it’s otherwise the same vehicle, but Frontiers usually come with a 6-cylinder petrol engine, whereas this one has a 4-cylinder turbo diesel. Mine originally only had two seats to begin with, since I preferred the longer bed instead. Ironically, the bed on this monstrosity didn’t seem any bigger than the one on mine.

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        Yeah, they’re pretty close to the same truck. I would have loved the diesel option, but we’re deathly afraid of small displacement diesels in the US.

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      Frontier is exactly as much truck as most truck owners actually need. I love it. I wish it was more fuel efficient but it’s a mild, modest, effective vehicle and i have not yet run into a situation it couldn’t deal with. Wonderful purchase. It turns like a boat but that’s a decent trade off to avoid the Toyota Tax on the Tacoma.

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    Unpopular opinion: unless you regularly haul things, you don’t need a truck of any size. Unless you regularly go off-road or are transporting 5+ people and a dog or more, you don’t need an SUV. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it! And in the meantime, you’ll save gas money and pedestrian deaths will go down…

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        Modern pickups are bad. Old pickups were fantastic for “I need to pile a bunch of (insert thing here) in the back.”

        But now every pickup is a massive motor for a tiny truckbed that my ford focus wagon has better hauling capacity.

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          the few local american pickups here in europe are only here because of appearances and do no off road or hauling. The pickups that do hauling are exclusively japanese and they are all beat to shit cause they get used as designed.

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            Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh if we were allowed to have the Toyota Hilux here I’d buy one immediately. Fucking closest to a truck I “like” is a Ford Maverick because it’s a “smaller truck”…

            But they ONLY come in crew cab. For fucks sake I want a standard cab full size small pickup truck about the size of a HIlux or a ranger from the 90s. And frankly if they made one a hybrid I’d have a dream car, but hell I’d take a 4 cylinder. But nope. Around here they’re the shortest fucking bed for the biggest fucking motor that’s effectively an SUV that is somehow MORE useless because the wall between the bed and the cab means I can’t lay seats down. A fucking mini-van is a better truck in the US.

            I apologize… this is an angry angry rant I have to do like once every other week…

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          My friend has a dodge ram. When his girlfriend left him, he moved out and i helped him move. I asked if i should bring my bus that i use for work. He said nah, DODgE RAM. We drove 4 times just to move his sofa and his side table. Piece by piece. All of his stuff would’ve fit in my bus and maybe something on his pickup. And my bus was still a bit shorter, because he couldn’t fit on his new parking spot, but i did.

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            Pretty much this. Like I said about my Focus, I’ve straight up driven with 2x4s that wouldn’t fit in coworkers trucks because the 4 foot bed is useless for that and I could fold seats down.

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      Capitalism and consumerism is about buying shit we dont need man.

      That why America doesnt buy public healthcare, its needed so we dont buy it. Ok?

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      unless you regularly haul things, you don’t need a truck of any size. Unless you regularly go off-road or are transporting 5+ people and a dog or more, you don’t need an SUV. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it!

      Maybe… but why not go further?

      Unless you regularly transport more than 1 person, you don’t need a car. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it!

      Buy a motorcycle or bike instead?

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          For more than a decade I only rode a motorcycle in Florida. I even made trips - with a passenger - to Costco. It required plenty of straps and saddlebags and a big backpack, but it was doable to get groceries in it for two people.

          This was on a Triumph Scrambler, and I had added a luggage rack etc, so not something you could do easily on a stock sport bike, but you don’t need a big touring bike for this kind of living, either.

          The times I needed to haul something big, I rented a truck from a big box hardware store. Saved a ton of money over the years, and only now have a Prius (with a roof rack to haul stuff) because I live in a place with harsh winters. No sidecar yet, but thinking hard about it…

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          Just throwing it out there that rain gear exists and you can 100 percent ride a motorcycle or a bicycle when it’s raining without getting wet. I think everyone would be a better driver if they had to experience getting somewhere on two wheels.

          Hell, a motorcycle can generate enough electricity to power heated clothing to keep you warm even during New England winters. If there’s no ice on the road I’m riding my motorcycle to work!

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            Hi I own only a moped and when it rains/snows:

            • if it’s not too severe I just wear a poncho and be a bit miserable
            • if it’s too severe I take a cab

            the occasional cab fare is peanuts compared to what I’d be paying in gas and insurance

            I rent a car/van sometimes when I need to haul stuff. Same deal

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        I’m 3yrs into having done this, and it only works because my wife has a car so really we only got rid of the 2nd car so doesn’t count.

        I think it’s a really valid proposal for 2nd cars but even then only if you’re not needing to transport kids at multiple times

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        I would absolutely own a bike instead of a small car if I was the only one on the road. I just don’t trust other drivers enough to do it.

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      I will somewhat disagree with the SUV comment, as my escape counts as an SUV, and I regularly fill it far past a sedan’s capacity when I go grocery shopping (the savings from driving 3+hours each way to the nearest Costco far outstrips the cost in gas) and when I go camping.

      And, as I camp in a tent, and have kayaks I can strap to the roof, I don’t need a truck at all, because my car can get me to every campsite that a truck can get to, often easier than someone dragging a camper can.

      Plus, since its a plug-in hybrid, and Canada doesn’t burn fossil fuels for power, my fuel efficiency is significantly better than the average sedan in drives under 100km, and breaks even above that.

      On a 60km drive, I average 2L/100km, a 100km drive I average 4.6L/100km, and on a 300km drive I average 6.6L/100km (100km/h), 7.5L/100km (110km/h), or 8.8L/100km (120km/h), which is well within what sedans average.

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        All absolutely valid points and my only counter argument here is that is why wagon sedans exist. Growing up in Poland a wagon was the family hauler bringing all the stuff you mentioned to pretty much anywhere you need. People even haul rvs with the wagons and you’re still smaller and relatively more pedestrian friendly. Hell they even make performance cars in wagon spec like the bmw m3. Not saying that to discredit your point just that there was another option before the suv craze came about

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          Oh man, I really wanted a wagon, but being in Canada the only one available that wasn’t a $90k+ Volvo/mercedes/Audi was a Subaru Outback and I absolutely hated the infotainment system in it. I hate not having physical buttons. So we ended up getting a small suv. I really wish they’d bring over some of the wagon options Europe has.

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          …wagons nearly don’t exist anymore in the US market, but i concur: hatchbacks, wagons, and minivans are purpose-designed vehicles for the way people use them in the real world, whereas modern trucks and SUVs are overwhelmingly poseur props for families in denial of their suburban utility lifestyle…

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          The last wagon style sedan I had had worse fuel efficiency than a modern f150 does (though it was an early 2000’s model).

          Brakes on that thing also scared the shit out of me, it did not like stopping.

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            The Subaru forester sedans were very popular in New England from the early 200s to like 2014. Idk just saying there are good option, there were even diesel wagons from WV that had solid efficiency later on .

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              I’ve been thinking about replacing my 2005 car but the only thing I want to replace it with is an electric station wagon, of which Europe has several options and America has 0. I don’t want a compact SUV, I just want a wagon! I’ll probably leave the country before I have any options lol

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                Station wagons are for mommies in the 1980s; all the cool kids want SUV and pickups.

                So car manufacturers made station wagons with upright seating positions and “off road” styling and called them Crossovers.

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                  In reality, they just couldn’t reasonably add the same markup, so they shifted to other products. Also, fuel efficiency standards based on weight made it more profitable to sell larger vehicles, so they had another reason to shift. We really got fucked from every side.

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                  Yeah, my car I always though was a hatchback, but apparently is actually classified as a crossover. The main reason I still have it (other than having been paid off) is because it still gets competitive mpg and it’s so practical. I used it to take all my crap to and from college. I can carry 9ft lumber in the cabin with the passenger seat down. I’ve gone on a service road in a state park and I didn’t get stuck.

                  The thought has crossed my mind to get an electric conversion for it instead of buying a new spyware riddled car 😆

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          Fun fact: Only 1.4% of the cars sold in the US are wagons and of them 72% were Subaru Outbacks.

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      trailer for hauling and then own whatever you want for driving, a subaru impreza will handle the offroad most people think you need a truck for. If you haul often a van shits on a truck in terms of cargo space, practicality, protection of cargo, ease of loading and carry a trailer while you load or unload. Modern american trucks are just crossovers with a tiny, useless flatbed bought to appear country. Trucks are only for the edge case of construction workers and maintenance crews who have to actually go off road (as in area in the forest where there is no road, not a gravel path a ferrari can drive on without issues). And for serious offroad that requires you to actually carry more than a single chainsaw: unimog.

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        I disagree. I have a modern American 3/4 ton diesel pickup. It’s not a crossover. I’m not in construction or maintenance, I work in tech.

        I have four horses and a gooseneck trailer for the horses that the truck hauls once or twice a week. I also have a flatbed for hauling hay or moving the tractor.

        For literally everything else i have a small car, because that truck is awful to drive in traffic or urban areas.

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      Everyone has things they want but dont need. I doubt that guy has any real need for that thing but I’m sure it’s a ton of fun to own and drive around nevertheless.

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    Nice. I’m planning to get a compact pickup soon. The prices are starting to get really steep where I live. It’s like $4000+ for a 25 year old truck with 180,000 miles on it.

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        There’s a reason there are “full-size” pickups. The box is 49" wide at the narrowest point across the wheelwells so you can fit full sheets in it. There have been compact pickups for a long, long time (Toyota), but they’re narrower than fullsize and you have to build a deck in them above the wheels to get full sheets in. Sometimes even then you have troubles.

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          It’s so stupid, if you actually need a small truck your options are to buy used basically.

          We just need a couple small (easy to navigate in cities, good on gas) 4wd trucks on the market. You’re basically stuck in Ford Transitsright now, which they’ve just stopped making, or buying 20yr old Mazdas and Rangers. Or being forced into the same F150s every other fleet operator has. I know the market for these vehicles exists (though demand is low) why does no manufacturer try to fill it?

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            Actually small trucks stopped being made in the early 2000s. Mid size, which has also been growing for several years, is the smallest kind that got made after the EPA regulations changed.

            People like to blame truck owners for their bigass vehicles, but I think they’re only half responsible, with the other half being that actually small trucks just don’t really exist anymore.

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              My grandfather drove around a beat up Datsun pickup, smaller than most sedans these days. But it did the job for what he used it for, and ran forever. I think I’ve seen less than five on the road in the decades since. They seem out of place in today’s SUV/huge truck world.

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            …manufacturers cater to the compact + economy truck market overseas but protectionist tariffs pretty much give them a captive market for luxury yank tanks stateside; your best bet for something new is finding it in puerto rico and paying the premium to ship it across the gulf…

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            They are starting to at least make some more reasonable vehicles. Not exactly small but not the oversized monsters.

            Ford Maverick, Honda Ridgeline, Hyundai Santa Cruz, Chevy Colorado, GMC Canyon, etc.

            Honestly if the towing capacity was more I would have gotten the Maverick instead of the F150 for work. Sadly it can only haul 7,000lbs and I haul around a 10,000 GVW trailer all the time. The F150 in got can haul 13K.

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              …i’m not sure they’re actually made any differently; everything in europe gets a dramatically greater tow rating…

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              The new Toyota Hilux Champ seems kinda nice too I think. It’s kinda ugly but kinda not - and dirt cheap

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      It’s like $4000+ for a 25 year old truck with 180,000 miles on it.

      And even worse if you’re picky about features, like a manual transmission or four wheel drive.