this has been my entire argument since 2016
a lot of people myself believe that democrats at this point are as much part of the problem, they do what the lobbyist and ultrarich want and totally ignore the voters.
so why fight half the country to only replace trump with a scum like schumer ?
if dnc was worth voting for then trump would never got elected. instead we have gotten lesser evil junk from them for 3 election in a row, the lesser evil that shamelessly funded a genocide when people have been struggling to buy groceries.
From over 100 years ago. Humans never really seem to change all that much.
And they continue to be relevant.
There are lots of threads that make up this tapestry of shit.
- Aipac
- Citizens United v. FEC
- Corporatism
- Regulatory Capture
- High campaign cost
- 2 party system
- Military Industrial Complex
But it seems we could cut (or at least weaken) them all at once by banning lobbying.
And mass boycotts but Average Joe is marginally educated, poor and disinterested in politics.
Even if we accept that voting third party is futile we then need to accept that the democratic party leadership needs to be completely purged. But any criticism of the leadership then gets met with “why do you support Trump?”.
It’s even worse when they downplay it and act like nothing’s wrong.
Put your money where your mouth is, Letterman. You’re worth almost a half billion, so what are you risking other that being just another rich guy telling others to do the heavy lifting while you stay nice and safe?
Sad to say that in a fascist regime, even speaking up like this puts a target on Letterman’s back. Trump is thin-skinned and petty.
Moving the average at “something is wrong” towards “let’s do something about it” is a step in the right direction.
Unfortunately it will take popular people being targeted with severe injustice to raise the ire of the public at large. If high profile wealth wants to play it safe the masses will suffer much greater losses before change can be effected.
And just what is it exactly that you are risking here just calling it down online on a forum?
What is it you hope to achieve here in a world of updoots voters and influencers?
You’re playing the exact same game.
You don’t know what we’ve done. I can’t doxx myself to tell you what my family will likely be dealing with thanks to political action. Suffice to say we’ll probably be single income in short order, at least for a while, thanks to actual risk taken.
Nope. That is some bullshit. I smell a bot. I don’t believe you. Another story you can easily make up online. So again, you’re doing nothing different in the mode of delivering a message online for a reaction.
And you refused to Answer my question: what was it you’re hoping to achieve by talking down positive speeches here?
Making people feel like shit. Discourage. Minimize. That is what you’re doing here.
I have zero tolerance for this infighting bullshit you’re trying to shit stir here. pretending to be a dem attacking other dems is only the exact type of shit that a Russian bot does. They lie a lot online to manipulate people.
Not on my watch.
Go huff your farts Russian bot.
Lol, what is it you’re hoping to achieve other than some sort of derisive and smug retort, and don’t shift the goalposts to it being about positive speeches instead of risk. I’l live with the fact I won’t doxx myself, guess you’re gonna have to too. Russian bot? Omg, seriously? No “bot” would have my history here. Grow up.
That’s not at all true. Totally different circumstances and stakes. They’re saying that this guy has a massive fortune that could go toward this directly. They’re not saying “What are you doing other than speaking up?” as if it just stops there and Letterperson needs to “get in the streets” or something.
Think about it like this. If it’s true that he could spend $250M and still not feel a dent, imagine what he could fund. Independent media. Thousands of artists. Political canvassers. Twitch streamers. Progressive software companies. So many ideas. That’s what they’re talking about, not whether or not he shows up at the local DSA.
You believe he’s doing nothing because why? He said this, and he has resources. I assume he’s acting as well.
I was clarifying what the other person meant. I have no idea what he’s doing.
Agreed. As is his followers. Followers also have power to act. This is why I don’t get why people call down these messages. It just seems like the wrong fight to pick here. It’s infighting and it’s helping no one. It needs to stop.
I bet these are just russian bots they talk about controlling the media and shit stirring. Watch how they don’t respond to you now that you called it out. It’s the same on Reddit only on there you and I would be banned by now.
Noted. But he also has supporters who are also rich who could also do this. So I don’t see why making a statement was wrong. It just seems like the wrong fight to pick and useless. This. This is the infighting the right use against the left all the time and you’re ensuring it is successful. You’re not here to help anyone.
Having a discussion and clarifying how you were wrong isn’t infighting, son. It’s not a fight at all. It’s just a random sentence and that person made a comment suggesting he should do more. I don’t really care. I’m not here to do activism but I’m willing to help you if you want.
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Talking down isn’t the behaviour of someone in a legitimate discussion. Let alone help.
You are no ally.
Isn’t he democratically elected winning both the electoral college and the popular vote? Democracy is not a guarantee that you will get the best or most qualified leader, just the most popular.
Saying Trump won the popular vote sounds a lot different than saying he won 49% to 48%.
These are the silky arguments that no one needs. Hr did ein the popular vote, of all the votes. No one is talking about turn out.
He came out in public and said he rigged the election with help from some powerful friends. He literally admitted to it, a week after being sworn in but just like always, no one ever does anything about it.
They made everything a conspiracy theory, so now when you try to make a major accusation like this, it just sounds like another bit of noise.
yep. this has all been masterfully orchestrated.
but whatever. i don’t care if it was rigged. they all just need to be gone regardless if i’m the only one that thinks so.
Getting kind of tired of people pretending the results are legitimate. We know they are not. The election was massively tampered with.
I do think an independent audit by the UN is warranted. Perhaps the next elections should have the UN monitoring it though the US would sooner leave the UN than allow that.
though the US would sooner leave the UN than allow that.
I mean, not necessarily. Trump didn’t really legitimately win the election, and he’s only been driving his supporters away with his ineptitude.
They have to uphold the constitution and the rule of law!
Do you think they just get elected and then do whatever they want? That’s not the US, not until this idiocy.
That’s not the US,
That is exactly what US is. They even told you before the election that this is what will be happening if diaper donny gets elected.
Historically, no. Now, yes.
The Republican Party dies as soon as that happens. Every Republican knows it. That’s why they will fight to keep it from happening and grift the situation as long as they can.
Fascism does not outlive the guy at its center. It can’t. Anybody who could step up to take control would have been a threat to the old leader’s position. The leader, therefore, has to make sure his people are loyal to him personally, and that tends to select for people who aren’t very competent and are incapable of fermenting the same sort of faux populist up swell.
The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
That moment when even they admit if the dems did this; reps would go wild.
Presidency isn’t a business that closes once the term is up. It’s a turn in the game. They kept forgetting that until the plane happened.
The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
The nail in the coffin should have been the failed coup.
That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
Thing is, I heard that multiple times during his first term.
I’m not saying you are wrong, maybe you are right. But I’m not so easily convinced after all the shit he consistently gets away with. There were people on their covid death beds who were still anti-mask/vax and pro-Trump.
If people are still stubbornly holding onto their beliefs as they directly face their own mortality more or less because of them, its hard to imagine a bribe being the red line.
The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
I’ll believe that when they do something about him
The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.
Keep dreaming.
Where’s the 2A crowd now?
America: “The government is constantly ignoring the constitution!!!” Also america: ignores the 2nd amendment of the constitution which gives very clear directives on how to deal with the government that igores the constitution.
Cheering on the ever encroaching fascism as it happens in real time.
The problem I have with this thinking is that people think Trump caused this and that the fascist problem will go away if he does.
He is a symptom. We need to fix the cause. I’m not saying I have all the answers, but going back to ‘the old way of solving problems’ and not changing anything will just lead to more fascists.
People are literally infected with his BS. Removing the main disease gives others a fighting chance to provide treatment with a possible cure.
I think it’s more that they see Trump as a confirmation of their world view.
They feel scared and threatened, they seek evidence to confirm their feelings, and Trump provides them with the reassuring narrative that affirms their world view.
If people could get help dealing with the things that they’re actually afraid of struggling with they wouldn’t be as engaged with fear mongering.
Many people agree that Trump is the head of the snake. The amount of complete lies is remarkable. I’m on the side that believes, somewhat, that the cult spell will greatly diminish if he were completely out of the picture.
The Trump cult will dissipate after he’s gone. But the conservative virus will absolutely still be there. They will leech on to the next Republican scum that rises through the ranks. And now that Trump has opened Pandora’s box, all the scum in that party will rise to the occasion. Trump has proven that the presidency can be a massive cash cow now. People with lots and lots of money and no morals will use that wealth to run another disgusting propaganda campaign, it’ll fool stupid Americans, and we’ll have Trump copycats in the Oval Office again.
Conservatives cannot do anything but vote Republican. It is in their programming.
I won’t say Trump is the worst case scenario, however. You have to be just the right amount of fucking stupid to fuck things up as much as he has.
Any smarter, and on the first day of his first term he would have just summoned the CIA and told them about the blackmail that Putin has. Any smarter, and he’d be able to see how alienating our allies hurts him, even if he is fully self-serving.
Any dumber and he’d be drooling on himself, which makes it hard to get elected. He has to be at least as smart as a monkey so that he can pavlov up the right phrases that make the audience clap.
It is often necessary to deal with the obvious symptoms before you can start treating the cause.
Either way, the fix is going to involve getting rid of Trump.
The cure is ranked choice voting and repealing citizens united, oh and kick Rupert Murdocks bitch ass “news” network out of the country.
Repealing Citizens United for sure. Ranked choice has no place in the American system.
Wrong. It’s already implemented in several places, and it is having a positive effect.
First past the post is the poison that got us here in the first place.
For what reason?
Yeah, if you want to keep the two party system first past the post, we’re gonna keep getting what we have now.
Still I got down voted lots for suggesting merely banning Afd might not be the, eh, total solution to the problem. 🤷🏼♀️
Yup.
This is just the beginning. Trump opened doors that are permanently open now. Other bad actors will walk through them. They know now, definitively, that Americans are largely stupid and that pretty basic propaganda works on them. And our government is configured in such a shitty way that any real change requires such a large majority in Congress that we’re not going to fix all the things necessary to prevent this all from happening again.
I hope you’re ready for permanent decline, because that’s the future for America, short of a revolution that completely rewrites our laws regarding politics. And it’ll be written in a shit ton of blood.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
— Abraham Lincoln
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
— George W. Bush
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well… Can’t get fooled again.
- Also George W. Bush
“…think of the solution, not the problem. If your mind was filled only with thoughts of why you were going to lose, then you couldn’t think of how to win.” - Richard Rahl
A lot of very smart people want to get rid of Trump. The main problem is the hundreds of opportunists riding on his coattails, who are currently in charge of Congress and won’t let anything happen to him because it will affect their own fortunes. Hell, some of them are just sitting silently in committee meetings because they can’t speak in Trump’s favor without committing perjury, so they refuse to respond to questions (even though that’s their job). Unless Bonespurs has his final Big Mac Attack while in office, I think we’re stuck with him until 2026, when some of his Congressional minions might lose their seats and his lock on the US government will loosen a little.
Do you really think there’s anything short of violence that will will cause him to leave office?
Severe medical events. But I think the most realistic hope is if enough people help replace some MAGA congresspeople in 2026 so they can stonewall the rest of his term.
He isn’t going through congress or obeying court orders. He’s already replaced all leadership with yes men.
How could you think normal procedures would work? Even if they did, the democrats have shown they aren’t interested in stopping him.
He isn’t going through congress or obeying court orders.
Congress rubber stamped Trump’s cabinet and actively facilitated his budgetary demands. Hell, they passed the Lake Riley Act before he took office. Bureaucrats who put up any kind of resistance have been fired en mass while Congress and the Courts did nothing to object. He’s faced no meaningful resistance.
He doesn’t need to go through Congress because Congress is bending over backwards to appease him. He doesn’t have to respect the Courts, because the Roberts Court seems intent on clearing his path.
An opposition legislation/court gives the bureaucracy a foundation on which to refuse compliance. Nobody is offering that.
Please suggest how Democrats should stop him now.
Not vote for his cabinet nominees, to start with
Who voted for RFK and Pam Bondi and Hegseth?
A lightning strike on the golf course?
Diarrhea
He left office in 2020 because the military leadership wouldn’t back him and the Mike Pence wing of the party was sick of him.
Very possible that he gets kicked out because Peter Thiel is tired of him and wants a replacement.
But who replaces Trump? If the Dems decide to re-run Joe Biden and Marc Anderssen joins Mike Bloomberg in chairing the DNC, what do you win by electing the Silicon Valley Certified Democrat over the Silicon Valley Certified Republican?
If he had another daughter to molest.
IMO there are two big, fundamental and inherent problems we’re not dealing with.
1 - Democrats don’t want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.
2 - The folks who voted for Trump in the first place get their news and world view from Fox News and the GOP-aligned media. They aren’t telling the same story.
Let’s look at the fucking headlines from Fox News right now:
- Dose of Reality: Trump targets drug prices, pharmaceutical industry with new executive order.
- Dems defend ‘storming’ of ICE facility - DHS hits back with all the receipts
- Trump cuts deal with America’s top rival - here’s the fairer playing field the US now has
- Storm Clouds: Middle Eastern royal offers to donate jump jet to Trump - Dems immediately make move
We probably shouldn’t have let Fox News fester and metastasize all these years.
I think we all thought Rupert Murdoch would just be dead by now and his empire would then begin to crumble. But the man seems to be sustained by hatred and refuses to die.
you’re forgetting about point #3. all you need to do is watch the commercials on major us ‘news’ stations to figure out who tells the news.
1 - Democrats don’t want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.
This reminds me of the olde biology joke.
A scientist observes a frog jumping. He [ sequentially removes legs and observes until the last leg is gone; then he] observes that a legless frog will not jump when provoked, concluding that a legless frog becomes non-compliant.
It’s fun to absolutely render a party useless, ignore the rallies its better members are holding (and how that’s all they can do) and just decide they must not want to do anything for a reason then supplied.
Can we beggar a question when there’s no question?
I’m gonna need receipts; especially for the Bernie and AoC cases.
Since you brought it up …
I’ll start by saying their tour was impressive. They did an amazing job of rallying people, packing houses and calling attention to what is going on. Same for Walz to a lesser extent. And the 50501 rallies.
But … so did Kamala. She was packing auditoriums, bringing excitement, and looked to have galvanized the country especially compared to Trumps rallies.
But …
To. What. End.
What’s the goal? Why are they doing them? What is the outcome we want to see? Trump removed from office? GOP to start valuing their constituents?
Especially the 50501 rallies. If you looked at the signs there were 50 causes showing up, splintering the message.
If you go to Bernie’s website it just says “I’ll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country.”
Sure they’re unique. Maybe historic. They all have powerful messages. And it’s better than nothing.
But at the end of they day, to me, they point back to No. 1. “Things suck. It’s the Republicans fault. Vote for us in the Fall.”
Now maybe that’ll change. But they were really just glorified campaign rallies.
The Senator who went to El Salvador gets credit, Senator Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland.
Also I respect Cory Booker’s 24 hour speech.
“unprecedented,” “deeply concerned,” “alarmed,” — words have lost all meaning due to be in every other fucking headline
don’t forget slam
SLAMS
BLASTS
CLASH
OUTCRY
UPROAR
PUSHBACK
FUCK
You know if they started writings “FUCKS” instead of “SLAM”, I certainly would start to get more interested in the headlines
Honestly US has too many retarded people for democracy.
Osho said it best.
Garbage in, garbage out.
We’ve got a mass media that exists to pump everyone’s brains full of Fear, Uncertainty, and Distraction.
From local “If it bleeds, it leads” news coverage to shopping aisles full of celebrity gossip and fad diet magazines to damned near every radio channel in America being operated by two companies that are owned by white supremacist families… we’re all living in a soup of ignorance and hate. We have been since we were born.
Is it any surprise more people are angry at Muslim migrants than local mega-churches? That foreign governments are more vilified than domestic lobbying firms? That the homosexual agenda is scarier than climate change?
Whining about “the people” seems short-sighted when you’re living in the shadow of the Big Racist Propaganda Machine.
The sad part is how many otherwise nice people it’s turned into total hateful monsters, and there’s no way they’ll be brought back. We will be a full on dictatorship soon and they don’t care as long as the gays and Trans are gone.
Let’s not resort to ableist language just to try to make a point, please.
Personally, I think we should skip the home.
This loser didn’t start forgetting his wife’s name or forget to wipe his ass after shitting on a regular basis.
He’s a fucking traitor who is tanking our country in a myriad of ways and violating the fuck out of our Constitution. A much more…severe punishment is in order.
Funeral home?
Thrown into the middle of the ocean.
The ocean doesn’t deserve that
We have to be victimized because the alternative is armed revolt and putting his fat orange neck under the guillotine. I’m sorry, but Americans aren’t suffering enough en-masse to be motivated enough to do that yet. I wish it weren’t so, but we’re stuck with it for now.
Give it a year.
I’m assuming some of the Trumptards with a few brain cells still bouncing around will start looking at their grocery receipts and not be able to reconcile it with what their Daddy has been saying.
“Hey, dat man lied to me.”
Maybe getting evicted will open some eyes.
We’re only 3-4 months in.
You’d be surprised at what people will put up with. I say we aren’t close even if we gave it 3 or 4 years.
They will bury their head in the sand so hard they’ll come out the other side of the planet before they’ll annoy they were duped.
The idea of armed revolt always concerns me because of countries like N. Korea, Iraq, and more recently Afghanistan.
All of these countries had periods of (relative) progressive tendencies before their current iterations. Yes, I’m aware Afghanistan was still rough 2001-2021 but there was still a generation of women going to school and getting educated and that concept just simply ceased to exist.
And all of these people just kinda…watched it happen. And did nothing about it.
I’m not sure, as an American, why we’d be any different. We have alcohol, iphones, air conditioning, fast food, and video games. No one is risking their creature comforts at this point.
Would you agree that those creature comforts are at risk in the coming months? Fast food and video games have already become prohibitively expensive IMHO.
If you revolt, then you can’t use “Jan 6th” as a gotcha afterwards lol
