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Neat idea… but I don’t think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
It’s a good way of getting the protection removed…
Exactly this.
They’d likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
If not outright kill the entire Endangered Species Act.
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it’s illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll pay a 40 dollar fine for illegally destroying a habitat or something.
RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
The bamboo is for the ruling class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_torture
We’re doing this to save the ecosystem from the data centers, silly! Let’s goooo!
In order to save the ecosystem, you must be willing to kill the ecosystem!
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most “invasive” species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn’t like.
There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don’t get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don’t introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don’t plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
And also - most critically. When introducting a predator to hunt a specific populous prey, ensure that one of them isn’t diurnal while the other is nocturnal.
Oof, yes!
Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don’t think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.
Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.
Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!
My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they’ll choke out my ac unit within months.
If you dig down about 2 foot (or several inches lower than the lowest root you find) and install a rubber barrier that goes from the bottom of the trench to up above the soil, it wont be able to spread to you anymore :)
You could use brick, stone, or cement, but if any cracks exist or form it’ll eventually find the way through, where that’s significantly less likely with a solid sheet of rubber.
Except it’s only native to the central valley in California so if you’re anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn’t look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn’t even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you’ll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they’re trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
So the proper name for the blue elderberry is Sambucus cerulea? Asking for a friend, who wants to be sure they get the right type of seeds.
Yes, that’s correct.
Besides which, of you could just propagate and pla t this stuff wherever, it wouldnt be rare and protected.
if today’s strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge
It’s pretty clear laws aren’t real anymore. Nothing will improve until these demons live in constant fear for their lives
They will literally not care
I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.
And you think these assholes won’t just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they’ll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with “oh you!” and that’s it
It’ll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it’ll cost them to just ignore all that
No shit. This post is instructions on how to get an Executive Order named after you.
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they’ll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It’s also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I’m sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI’s fault. (ooooh, he’s defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
Ah, well in that case we should all just give up. Stop trying, people! It’s already over!
Oh you misunderstand, I’m saying shoot first
Nobody’s missing how easy these are to plant.
The fucks planting data centres don’t give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They’ll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.
Well that assumes they get away with it, and the irrefutable doomsday gospel seems to be that corps will bulldoze the world no matter what, even if it’s illegal, therefore the endangered species tactic flat out won’t work, because nothing will work, because they’re invincible. But if that’s the case I don’t know why we’re even starting these conversations.
More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.
I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.
One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, “hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one.”
The boss sighs and is like, “let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he’s not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they’re building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won’t matter.”
I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.
That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.
I am an environmental consultant, too. You’re correct that they often re-route or change their designs based on habitat, though this isn’t always the case. They can determine if the impact is major, or if it can be reversed or off-set. An example would be a mine that goes through woodland caribou habitat. They’ll still mine the fuck out of it, but then they’ll be required to reclaim it back to what it was. The rub is that people think reclamation is a fast or sure thing, but it’s neither. Some ecosystems, like those that support caribou are really hard to re-establish, but operators can get on with a commitment to restore, and a couple of contingencies in case the reclamation doesn’t work.
@terranoid@lemmy.cafe yes, this is a thing in consulting, but often with the smaller, more cowboy firms. Bigger firms can push back a bit, and say ‘hey, look. we really don’t recommend this, here’s the risks’ or flat refuse service if they can take the hit.
@owsei@programming.dev yes, generally, consultants are hired to do things like rare plant surveys or wildlife sweeps. It’s not the EPA or other regulators doing this and the operators don’t have the capacity or expertise to do it themselves usually.
Lmao they don’t even care about humans. You think they’d care about beetles and berries??
Yeah I’m sure the guys on the ground would “accidentally” start the diggers before they were “aware” of the Beatles and berries.
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
Stop upvoting x and meta reposts you idiots
Agreed, we have to be super careful or otherwise we may end up generating some huge exposure for these platforms!
Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting
So one’s father smelling of elder berries is actually a good thing?
Your father is a drunk and your mother the town hore is the literal translation.
They will simply cut whatever protections exist stopping it. Still do it, just don’t expect it to be a forever solution.
