• DokPsy@lemmy.world
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    The good/bad news is that the old “I swear to God you bootlickers need a good ass kicking” and “Jesus is ashamed at what you do in his name” styles of country are making a comeback

    And for inclusivity, there’s a sub genre devoted to the “you tried to end my people but I will not die” style which includes focuses on lgbtqia+, women in general, pagans/wiccans, indigenous groups, other, and various combinations therein

    The bog witches, fae creatures, and {unknown description of Appalachian denizens} have been putting out some good stuff

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      Pink Williams is actually one of those people for those who dont know. His style is very anti capitalist country music. “The Devil is Real” is all about how the real devil is the capitalists who take advantage of the common folk. And “Thank God For Gay Cowboys” is as the title suggests about gay cowboys and rednecks.

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      Queer Appalachian country sounds awesome. I normally go for folk punk, but I do kinda miss living surrounded by queer Appalachians like some of the places I’ve lived

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    I swear I heard a country song at work the other day that was talking about hot beer and cold women, and I was like damn, they’re really trying everything now.

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      There was this super popular Vountry Sing a few years back called “That’s my kind of night” with terrifying lyrics.

      The course was saying that on a date, other men might take a girl on a date to a restaurant or something in town, but that the singer would drive them to a river in the middle of nowhere where nobody can hear them, put them on a boat, and sex them.

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        You’re missing the cultural context and misinterpreting the intention as a result. You see, in Glorious Christian America, having sex is so shameful for the man and the woman that you must hide a long distance away so nobody knows two consenting adults enjoyed themselves.

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    I mean a fair bit of old country music was just “I love it here, but sometimes it sucks, but it’s right where I want to be” and taking pride in that. It seems like a lot of modern music has just distilled and broken that into “I’m gonna get fucked up and laid and if you ain’t from round here then git out”.

    The soul just got sucked out of it and the scraps got wrapped in plastic and makeup.

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      I was driving through western Washington near Idaho recently, scrolling through the radio to see what they had going on out there, and the song literally went “find you a girl who loves her daddy, and talkin bout babies makes her happy” likeeee cmon this is straight up Christian white nationalism dog-whistle, let us be honest with ourselves.

      I love Lucinda Williams

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      If you like country, you need Euro Country. Ciara and the gang have plenty of soul, they’re feckin’ class.

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        I heard death comes in threes, I misheard it, bein’ from Dublin

        I thought “death’s in the trees”

        Which makes sense 'cause they’re the saddest removed

        Of plants I have seen, oh, the drama of them dying every year

        I love that bit so much

        Edit: oh my instance censored me

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    I was shocked when a friend told me he was into early country music some years ago. Then he explained the difference between the country he was listening to and the country music of today. It was actually pretty cool before it got watered down.

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    It’s never been great. Nasal and basic, with real zingers like “my love burns like a hot stove”.

    Rockabilly, now we’re getting somewhere good. Music with a little soul. Other various fusion efforts can be good too.

    I won’t wax poetic on it, but top 40 country has been rather banal for decades.

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      I will wax a little poetic, then. ;-)

      Nashville has had a machine since at least the late 60s for harvesting songs basically provided for free by writers desperate for a break, and routing them them through overproduced studios full of controllable singers even more desperate than the songwriters. Now, to be fair, the occasional gem slips through, more when the model was less refined, and then there’s folks like Dolly Parton who infiltrated it like a virus and then took it over to explode with decent music.

      Still, other than what Steve Earle called “The Great Credibility Scare of the 80s” when he, Dwight Yoakam, Lyle Lovett, KD Lang, and Melissa Etheridge (among others) were allowed to bubble to the top of the scene, there’s always been a grifter business mindset that’s somehow worse in country because, as a direct outgrowth and expansion of certain varieties of folk music, audiences ask for authenticity when all they really want is cultural validation (hint: for country-adjacent music, authenticity usually looks a lot like it does in other genres). Bubblegum country therefore somehow feels dirtier than bubblegum pop, and it gets even worse as product categories ossify and Nashville country gets targeted to a more and more specific segment of the public.

      I’m fully aware that even the stuff I like, the “Rockabilly [and] other various fusion efforts” broadly called “Americana,” is subject to its own tropes and business pressures, but being smaller and targeting a different niche, there’s at least room in the conversation for artistry and risk, and thankfully good music isn’t as hard to get made as some other forms of entertainment, so there’s a lot of it out there waiting to be found.

      Also, nothing wrong with some nasal vocals in the right context, LOL. I do grow weary of “High and Lonesome” bluegrass vocals after about two songs, though.

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      Kinda depends on how far you go back/what genre of country you are talking about. But John Hartford has some of my favorite lyrics that still carry weight today. I probably think about the song In Tall Buildings everyday on my drive to work.

      The thing I hate the most about modern country is that there’s nothing that really connects it to country/bluegrass other than the poor use of steel string guitar and fake accents. I live in Oklahoma… Nobody talks like that, and even if they did you would usually lose it when you’re singing.

      Someone like reba mcentire has a fairly common Oklahoman accent if you talk to older people in the boonies, but she doesn’t really sing with a heavy accent. It’s all performative affectations from rich kids from suburbs pretending like they’re from the country side.

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        YT fed me Rick Beats at one point, this feels like a discussion he has on repeat re the fall of modern music.

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      Psychobilly is even better imo. Tiger Army is the shit and Nick13’s solo stuff is great too.

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    Lots of good country out there, it’s just not played over the air.

    Orville Peck is a huge favorite of mine, he did an interview with Terry Gross that I highly recommend checking out.

    Cody Jinks is another great one.

    Tyler Childers also has great politics as well as incredible music.

    Colter Wall, Sturghill Simpson, Billy strings (gild the lilies has been a fairly often replay by me.)

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    Country music draws it’s origins from southern blues music. Blues originated from religious black musicians and often why it was singing about struggles or over coming demons.

    New country is just a racist pop singler that wants to fuck their tractor.

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      Zandi Holup is a pretty “new” artist who sings a lot about “struggles or over coming demons”. My favorite song of hers is “Gas Station Flowers”, the official video for that song is intense. She releases pretty much nothing but bangers, IMO (not a fan of “Mary Jane” personally, she kinda missed the mark on that one). “Go Find Less” is another great one, straight up feminist anthem. “Dirty Wings” is a good song as well.

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      You can definitely hear its blues roots. I suppose you are right about the religious origins, but the songs they later copied were not about the same subject matter

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    The modern country I listen to goes like:

    He’s bouncin’ off my booty cheeks,

    I love the way he rides,

    I can hardly breathe while he’s pumping deep inside.

    I kiss him on the neck and then he kisses on my bussy,

    Call him Daddy while I holler,

    “Man that boy’s so damn good looking!”

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    What kind of dates are we calling “old country” vs “new country”

    I heard a lot of commentary like this when I was in college in the 90’s

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      That’s around the time the swap was happening, heart felt ballads about the trials of life vs upbeat I’m the greatest and I don’t take crap.

      It’s not that there’s no new country that’s good, but most of what people call country is just twangy pop. I blame twangy pop for a lot of the nationalism we see now.

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    Surprised Jesse Welles hasn’t been mentioned. Maybe not country, more folk I suppose maybe. Not music I typically like though, and he’s my favorite artist right now.

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      They are all narrative based, with bluegrass having quicker tempo and more harmony, folk mostly being acoustic, and country being more commercialized and featuring electrical instruments. However, largely what separates country from folk and bluegrass is mostly time. What we call bluegrass and folk nowadays were at one point mostly marketed as country music.

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        Sure Conway Twitty was marketed as country but was Woodie Guthrie? I am pretty sure there was still a separation even back then.

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          He kinda predates the popularization of the term “country music”. The predecessor of country music was called “hillbilly music”, which is how he marketed himself as. The popularization of country music as a genre happened in the 40s. During the 40s he often played alongside people who marketed themselves as either folk, hillbilly, and country music artists. There wasn’t really a clear distinction at the time.

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            It’s the same today with rock/pop, rap, r&b, etc. There are lots of variations that fit under the same umbrella. Look at all the different versions of rock music, but artists like Metallica and James Taylor both end up considered Rock artists.

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            Well, that’s not how I learned it but honestly more and more genre definition seems subjective to me. I know people who are adamant that Johnny Cash isn’t country because they “don’t like country” but they like Johnny Cash. I’ve seen some places start referring to the more modern genre of country as “Honky Tonk“ just to make the separation more apparent.

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          I read that as Arlo Guthrie at first and was mighty confused for a second