Yes, I’ll just trust the AI to help me fuck around with grid voltage levels.
With google search results becoming so poor, I guess I need to look into kagi or duck-duck. Pain in my dick, motherless goatfucking, horsehit-happy asshole, corporate varmints gotta fuck it all up for more profit. I’m tired, yo.
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My father just ruined some PCB while soldering because Gemini told him what to do.
I’m sure there’s many more cases that are worse and we simply do not know about.
The days when YouTube had actual people in their cluttered garages, basements, and driveways showing you how to fix shit was good. Between the algorithm fucking it over and AI giving wrong info, we’re likely going to win some Darwin awards en masse, around the house.
I’ve tried it. It’s good for plucking out game solutions (low risk), and finding the right forum for That Linux Workaround. Or just parroting Wiki.
Catch it in a wrong answer and it will answer just as confidently, agreeing that it was wrong. And yet.
And we’re destroying homes and the life equity of working class for this.
Pain in my dick, motherless goatfucking, horsehit-happy asshole, corporate varmints
Off topic, but that’s a nice spattering of invective you got there, OP. Well done. I genuinely appreciate a well-crafted compound insult.
The AI CEOs should be forced to follow some dangerous procedure exactly as explained by their shit planet-killing product live for all to see. If they’re confident this is the future, they should set the example.
Yes, I’ll just trust the AI to help me fuck around with grid voltage levels.
I mean, if you do… you kinda deserve what comes to you.
no.
these things are sold to us as magical black boxes of universal knowledge. most people don’t know how they work.
blame the ai companies, not the people who fall prey to their lies. why does this have to be said. come on.
Can we stop treating people as mentally challenged toddlers? When AI started, I would have agreed with you about this. But if today you still use any AI and trust what it says, after all we have seen it does, it’s on you.
Am I saying that AI companies are not to blame? No. I think AI companies are to blame for the shitty product they are delivering. But let’s not take any personal responsibility of people. If you plug a fork in an outlet and shock yourself to death, there’s nobody to blame but yourself for being dumb. And this is the same.
If you plug a fork in an outlet and shock yourself to death, there’s nobody to blame but yourself for being dumb.
And yet, we still design outlets in ways that make that exact kind of thing as hard as possible. Because there will always be kids who have no idea what they’re doing. Because there will always be old people unfamiliar with the technology that “everyone” should know how to use by now. Because accidents happen.
This kind of attitude completely ignores the fact that there are vulnerable people who are very susceptible to the sycophantic nature of GenAI. There are multiple reported instances of people being convinced to kill themselves or others by GenAI. AI companies won’t do anything about this kind of thing unless they are forced to.
No. This is absolutely the wrong attitude. AI companies must be held accountable for all the horrible shit AI is doing.
This assumes people know how AI works, and that’s not common knowledge.
Dude, like a handful of people have any idea how it works, it was completely a black box until recently when they started deciphering how it “thinks” before outputting in any given language. And before anyone argues, yes, researchers have actually started to assess how it processes stuff now, they’ve recorded the binary processing that wasn’t language based and upon suspecting they found the processing akin to what we’d call thinking for ai, they saved the streams, presented it to other ai in droves and asked them to interpret it independently of the other system that manufactured it, and indeed it matched up with the processing of requests, but was not in any human language, it’s indeed machine code, but not like Fortran or cobal or hexadecimal codes that we are used to dealing with, it has its own language. So no one has a library or Rosetta Stone yet to interpret this, and as of now you have to “trust” other AI to tell you what it means. Which obviously isn’t a good idea at all.
Edit: the paper since some of y’all don’t believe it, and frankly I don’t blame you. It’s new research. "Do Sparse Autoencoders Capture Concept Manifolds?” https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.28119
You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’d feel a lot better if you could just accept that. This story you are telling is absolutely nonsense fantasy, stitched together from a bunch of different actual things to create a narrative that tells a completely untrue and fantastical story
Why do you have the exact number of upvotes that the person you’re replying to has downvotes. Seems like an unlikely coincidence. Also weird how you don’t actually address anything in the comment. Almost like some bot brigade.
if someone tells you some computer data can’t be represented in hexadecimal codes, that’s a clear sign they don’t even know how computers work, let alone LLM. its also futile to compare the LLM internal representation of data to programming languages, its like comparing birdsong to building blueprints.
My comment was addressing frisbirds jackassery, not the op.
and I was addressing why was frisbird right.
Hilarious conspiracy brained shit.
Of course! Why not?! Just tell people information that could KILL THEM! I am sure that has not happened before… right guys? Right? RIGHT?! AI is out of control and needs to be regulated. How many people have destroyed their stuff or died trusting AI? G-D only knows… oh my.
No.
Stupid people do stupid shit.
Gemini doesn’t tell to to do this or that (“stick a fork in a socket and see what happens”). Your best friend tells you to jump off a bridge… Nope. AI is giving you the specs and things to consider. “If you jump off this particular bridge, then this will be the likely outcome”. That is factually correct!
If you don’t understand how to use AI as a probability indicator, that’s on you. Not everyone who jumps off of that bridge or sticks that fork in that socket will die, but the odds exceed 87% or whatever.
If you can’t use it for what it is, then don’t use it. When I worked as an hvac tech for Walmart, sometimes AI had bad information, but it was always 100% correct in flagging something that looked out of spec (“This is a potential problem”). It had far more eyes to look at everything (every store), than my 2 eyes had looking only at the store I was in.
AI will give you a whole 'nuther perspective than your own 2 eyes and biased brain. “Well I’ve never been injured doing xyx”. Yeah, OK. But “if you use a grinder without a face mask, and you injure your eyes, you won’t get your eyesight back”.
Take it for what it’s worth. AI can show you some serious blind spots in your logic by condensing thousands of research papers and web pages in milliseconds.
If you don’t want to use it, that’s on you. I really don’t care.
If you can’t use it for what it is, then don’t use it.
This isn’t how AI is advertised, though. The majority of voices that people are hearing are just saying “AI can do anything” and not cautioning against trusting it. That’s not a matter of being stupid, it’s a matter of being lied to
Well. It’s still on you. I’ve busted Gemini for contradicting itself multiple, multiple times. “But you just said this…”
It is programmed to speak authoritatively. If you question it, it is programmed to go into customer service mode. That is no lie. There are certain prompts you can use to prevent it from hallucinating, conjecturing or assuming. You can actually ask Gemini (AI) how to turn that off.
I’ve had many discussions with AI about numerous topics. I consider it a valuable asset especially with regards to my “blindspots”. It is a tool. It has been proven to be superior at spotting cancer and other issues way before any human could/would.
It still amazes the crap out of me that dogs can be trained to smell out cancer or screw worms or whatever.
It’s wack, but Gemini can tell you what you’re looking at. I was looking at an obvious sagebush (texas) and Gemini told me. Nope that’s an oregano plant. Looked exactly identical. It described how the leaves weren’t a little bit fuzzy. It suggested i pinch/ twist and smell it. It was right, I was wrong.
You need to use it as a discrimination technique rather than the “be all end all”.
I took a picture of my cat and asked Gemini to describe it. It described the cat, it’s color, its head, direction, it’s eyes, its tail, the lighting, the porch, the grass, the bowls, the bald patch of grass, the colors, the shapes, the textures, the size, the geometry… in much more detail than I would’ve ever thought of describing it. If I were a detective, I would have AI point out every detail of a photo. I will bet you I’d miss noticing or describing at least a dozen details.
I, for one, don’t believe falling for false advertising is the customer’s fault.
It’s the company’s fault, and they should face consequences.
I wonder if you’ll continue to see it as a valuable tool when they jack the price up.
Dude. I’m 64. I’m retired. I really don’t give a shit what you think. If I were in your shoes I’d get on top of AI before it gets on top of me.
Word to the wise.
if you dont fucking care then at least stop spreading fucking bullshit. you are no better than an AI, making the same mistakes, overconfident, but then blaming others for it.
There were no mistakes here. Point me to 1!
The only mistake here is the OP not understanding the legal requirements for the manufacturer to delineate the electrical limitations of their product. You will find that limitation on every set of electrical leads you buy.
Not only was Gemini being helpful by pointing those limitations out, but it informed the op that he could request additional help to see if the leads were safe for his particular use.
I find it odd when people complain about helpful information.
I care about people telling the truth. I’m not the one spreading b.s.
Don’t be so hard on Gemini.
It is accurately warning you that this meter is safe to use on 277 volts (actually 300 - but that’s an odd voltage) and below. It’s telling you not to use it on 480+,1 kv,…
Ignore the prompt request for safe use at your own peril!
Fuck ‘gemini’. I don’t trust a glorified chat bot with life and death advice. Don’t be simping for a chatbot ran by an objectively evil corpo.
I don’t care what the actual max voltage is. That search was a shortcut to find the manufacturer spec summary while looking at third party probes. Not ‘gemini’s’ summary or anything else. I don’t want electrical, romance, or life advice from a chatbot. I want links to relevant resources.
Can’t help you there buddy.
Gemini correctly summarized the limitations of that item. If you can’t read that, then that’s on you. Gemini actually asked for your specific parameters. One might surmise that you shouldn’t be allowed near high voltage things to begin with if you can’t read basic limitations and refuse clarifications from Gemini.
- 32 year hvac/refrigeration tech.
I personally don’t give a shit wherher you trust Gemini or not. But it seems to me that you need remedial help with basic English and IEC standards.
Sorry. That’s not on Gemini. That’s on you.
I don’t give a fuck if it summarized the specs correctly. It’s been proven to be wrong often enough that trusting it to be correct when dealing with life and death issues is foolish.
I searched a basic spec to get a link to a manufacturer spec list. The bot offfered to vet my setup for safety. It seems you’re suggesting that it’s a good idea to listen to a chatbot for high voltage safety advice.
I’m not the one with the comprehension issue here.
I didn’t ask for high voltage safety tips from a chatbot. It offered them. If you don’t think that’s dangerous and wildly irresponsible, you’re being disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worst.
- 25 year machinist including maintenance
It’s not me that’s going to be killed. it’s people that don’t know enough to not trust a fucking chat bot. Do you really trust a bot to explain ground loops, isolation transformers, and floating test equipment? If so, I feel real bad for any kids you might be training.
So just scroll the fuck down and click on the link to the manufacturers datasheet.
Did Gemini disable your scroll wheel?
You admit that the summary is correct. Couldn’t you have found an example where it’s giving bad advice?
If it kills some stupid people who are too lazy to check out other sources, who honestly cares, the world could use that.
So just scroll the fuck down and click on the link to the manufacturers datasheet.
that won’t save other people. don’t be afraid, OP is not fearing for himself, but he fears the safety of others. if it wasn’t entirely obvious.
but probably gemini just disabled your reading comprehension, so don’t even bother responding.
If it kills some stupid people who are too lazy to check out other sources, who honestly cares, the world could use that.
those people are not lazy but gullible. I don’t know what to say if you don’t think at least 60% of people believe gemini knows what it says.
I said that the were stupid and lazy, you don’t think gullible was implied there?
but probably gemini just disabled your reading comprehension
Says the person who thinks that
“but probably”
Is the way to phrase a written argument.
😭
I asked Andi at least it suggest to contrast it by yourself in the mencioned sources after the summary
Rigol DS1202Z-E Maximum Input Voltage
The Rigol DS1202Z-E has a maximum input voltage of ±400 V (DC + peak AC) at the 1 MΩ input impedance setting, according to the EEVblog forum, which references the official Rigol performance verification procedure manual.
Note that this is a DC-plus-peak rating. At higher frequencies, input voltage limits typically derate, so the ±400 V figure applies at low frequencies. The EEVblog thread specifically discusses this frequency derating question, making it the most relevant source for anyone probing near the limits.
The DS1202Z-E is a 200 MHz, 2-channel oscilloscope on Rigol’s DS1000Z UltraVision platform, per Rigol NA. It includes deep memory, serial decode, and FFT.
For the full derating curve and exact specs at higher frequencies, the EEVblog forum thread is the best starting point, though the site was returning a CAPTCHA at time of search. Consulting the official Rigol DS1202Z-E datasheet or performance verification manual directly will give the authoritative derating table.
Sources: EEVblog Forum, Rigol NA
