• Marty_TF@lemmy.zip
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    9 hours ago

    for magas, the healthcare isn’t the bad part, it’s the “everyone” that makes them furious

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      It’s the old “why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare???”.

      They’re too dumb to realize everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.

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        It’s even more stupid than that. They’re not even paying for their own healthcare. If you arrive in hospital and need several million pounds worth of medical treatment, there’s no quibbling about whether or not you paid that much in they just get on with it.

        The vast majority of people who suddenly require major surgery you actually pay considerably less over the course of a life paying via taxes then you ever would pay for private healthcare, also because it’s the government just funding itself they don’t make random numbers up when it comes to billing, it costs what it cost.

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          Pound like a pound of fat, if so can it come from the belly area, they have tons over there. /S

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        8 hours ago

        “Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare?”

        Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.

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          I know no one on Lemmy likes Jubilee and I don’t either, but I still watch it every now and again.

          Last month there was a Gen Z politician vs Boomers and one of the old guys was talking about how student loan forgiveness shouldn’t be done. The politician says you won’t feel it. The Boomer said, they would because of the numbers of the ledger, politician says you’ll feel it due to the all the people being able to contribute to the economy properly and giving it a huge boost. Boomer says him or his wife had their loans forgiven and it was a huge help, but that not everyone should get it.

          Man, these fucking people.

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            Jubilee is a conservative channel, that pretends to be on “both sides” they showed thier true colors when they host conservatives, magats , and even charlie kirk, to debate “woke” people, usually its 20 people vs the left all the time.

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          7 hours ago

          One day?! The entire point of health insurance is that millions of other people are paying to help you pay for your healthcare

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              The entire health insurance industry is built around taking a cut. Literally every single person who works for United Healthcare, BCBS, Aetna, and Humana is being paid by money the health insurance company took from you and is not using to provide healthcare. Not only that, but hospitals dedicate entire departments to battling health insurance companies for authorization for treatment. All that money could be redirected toward actually providing healthcare.

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          Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.

          Like their children that for some reason won’t visit or call during the holidays.

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          Hell, we all pay for other people’s healthcare now! When people go to the emergency room and can’t afford to pay, the hospitals crank up the cost of everyone else’s healthcare to make up for it. We have literally the least cost effective system possible.

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        I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart. He used to be against universal healthcare because he “doesn’t want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare”.

        But now he’s been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate it being pointed out that he’s living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.

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          hes going to do mental gymnasitcs,“im not one of those people, i worked 100k+/year job for decades, and i deserved it”. if he was a diehard magat.

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          These people NEED this pointed out to them. It’s the only way they ever change their perspectives. It must affect them, otherwise they never change.

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        I have a friend whom I have this argument with frequently, not about health care specifically but other socialized benefits (e.g. SNAP). He’s even a leftist, but still thinks he shouldn’t have to pay for people who “take advantage of the system” (e.g. spend their SNAP benefits on things he doesn’t believe should qualify, or receive SNAP benefits while spending their ‘real’ money on things he considers non-essential).

        The fact that there are corporations getting orders of magnitude more in handouts, or that we’re spending an unreal amount of money on the military, or that there’s unfathomable amounts of corruption in the government, and that those benefits are in actuality a tiny fraction of what his taxes go to, makes no difference. He doesn’t want people at the bottom to get an ounce more than he believes they strictly need or deserve, and I cannot for the life of me understand that line of thought.

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          are you sure hes a leftist, or one in NAME only. almost everyone that believes welfare should not be for POORs/POC is almost always a conservative. i know a couple people that are ON THE left in name only, but says alot of talking points of a republican and would rather vote R, if not for the pontential ostracization from thier immediately circles.

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            I mean, I only know what I’ve gathered from our conversations, but his views align with mine on almost every other topic. That’s why it baffles me so much that we don’t agree on this one.

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          “I’d rather 99 people get support they might not need if it means one person gets the support they definitely need.”

          I’ve used that reasonably successfully.

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          A while back, I was listening to a podcast that apparently had a fairly sizable conservative Christian audience, because there were a good number of ads for Christian “Health Care Sharing Ministries,” into which subscribers pay a voluntary “share,” and from which they draw when they need it.

          I don’t remember the specific language the ad used, but I do remember it saying something that sounded almost dangerously close to “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” I started laughing at that one.

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            There’s a Fundamental Christian influencer named Aria Lewis who has that “insurance”. She’s been dealing with dental problems and basically made a post one day asking her followers if that insurance was a scam because she wasn’t able to get the care she really needed

            It’s crazy what problems people fall into when they choose something has “Christian” in the name over what everyone else is using

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              dental insurance is kinda of a scam, if you are not using an employer-sponsered one, they dont cover most things outside of cleanings. the ones i looked from the 3 well known dental insurance, have approximately the same kind of coverage for all 3 plans, the only difference some of them are more expensive. Employer- sponsored plans have very different coverage from the individual plans.

              i like how they rail about dental/health insurance as a scam, while they use a more expensive version which is likely paying the full cost of dental care. i would imagine the fund would drain pretty fast if people are getting multiple cavities filled, and not even for other things like extractions, root canal and crowns, or periodontal care, or implants.

              I ALSO notice some dental offices, offer thier own “insurance” in house, may or may not be expensive but that could be another avenue if people dont want to pay for better insurance.

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          so every time he says he doesn’t want to pay for people taking advantage of the system, ask if he means the wealthy people denying healthcare to people so they can afford more yachts, their 8th mansion, their 30th sport car, their second helicopter. Because he’s overpaying for his private healthcare so they can take advantage of him.

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          When you say “leftist” I assume you mean liberal Democrat.

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            Let’s maybe save the purity tests for when we’re not staring down the barrel of a fascist coup already in progress, eh?

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              The Democrats are just as fascist:

              1. Biden/Harris had the entire Epstein file suite and did absolutely nothing with it
              2. Obama/Biden built the policy power to do the mass deportations and city-deployments of ICE that Trump is now using
              3. Biden knew this and changed literally nothing about it when he was president
              4. Obama/Biden deported more people than Trump has
              5. Obama/Biden appointed Tom Homan as deportation czar - same guy Trump appointed in both terms
              6. Biden/Harris deported/repatriated over 4M in only 4 years
              7. Biden/Harris participated in the Israeli-led genocide of Gaza
              8. Obama refused to provide arms to Ukraine. Trump was the first president ever to approve arms transfers to Ukraine.
              9. Obama/Biden + HRClinton continued the Bush2 strategic plan for destroying 7 countries by completely destroying Libya, laughing at the public torture and execution of a 70-year-old man sodomized with a blade by people the HRC State Dept coordinated
              10. 800k people, on average, have died every year for the last 50 years due to US sanctions, and both parties are totally OK with it.

              We could keep going, back to Clinton and the Biden-authored Crime Bill, back to every war and military action, to the School of the Americas and the training of death squads and terrorists. We can go through and show how these programs were continuous across party switches in every part of the government. We can show how every mass movement of people for self-liberation and self-governance was met with mass murder at the hands of the USA regardless of which party was in charge. We can show how the USA was the model used for EuroFascism and how the USA absorbed and protected the failed EuroFascists and then spread them around the world for decades with their protection, bi-partisanly.

              The USA is the global reservoir of fascism, which, of course it is, because the USA is the torchbearer, inheritor, executor, and protector of EuroImperialism, which is what EuroFascism fundamentally is.

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                  No, we don’t. We are always here. But you fucking dilletantes show up a few months before every election thinking that you can both rustle up some blue no matter who votes while spreading your blue MAGA bullshit and then accuse everyone else of being Russian bots and Republican trolls and you smug schmucks think it’s working without any sense of how propaganda actually works and how you are creating every opportunity for people to see how completely bankrupt you all are.

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            Well, you know what they say about assumptions. Of course, when I see a post from .ml, I assume the poster is a tankie, so I guess we’re both guilty.

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              Ah, I’ve engaged a person without an original thought. My mistake.

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                Sometimes, thought doesn’t have to be original. Sometimes, when something rings true, many people have the same thought, and can talk about it and agree with people who share the same thought and that isn’t an issue.

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        I don’t think it’s that. Or at least not always that. I’ve met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it’s unfair that others would get it for “free”. They’re so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.

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        You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.

        What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.

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          there’s usually a ‘process’ and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever ‘community care’ program the facility has.

          they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or ‘arrangements’ upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).

          they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first… my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.

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            i like how the christian “health/dental” plans are exactly like actual insurance from like companies like cigna,aetna,delta-care,etc.

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        everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.

        Everyone else minus a select few parasites who instead make their healthcare vastly more expensive to balance it out – the American way. 🇵🇷🦅⛪🗽🔫🎆

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      It’s shocking more people aren’t furious at having healthcare tied to a job. It’s a shackle. Coersion. A keep this particular job, or else.

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      can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare

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        reagans intelligence is a stretch, he mostly had progressive symptoms of alzheimers around that that time, it is believed that nancy throat goat reagan and his cabinet was just pulling his strings 100% of the time.

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      Back to an article quote from his first term ‘hes not hurting the right people’. Lol like they’re people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.