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The food companies who sell that processed food slop and the food regulatory commissions that allow it should be paying for people’s healthcare. Don’t tell me it’s a choice. It’s only a choice for people who can afford it, and nowadays most can’t.
There are people, who are afraid, free healthcare will lead to people not taking care of their health. That’s how they tried to astroturf the “pro-paid healthcare” movement in Hungary.
Which is BS of course, expensive healthcare makes people skip on prevention which leads to worse health and more expensive treatments. You just have to look to the US to see that.
I went to a surgery because I was bleeding from my ass. I was told it was covered. When I got here I was told it wasn’t covered. The doctor said it would be. It wasn’t, because the claim codes were in the wrong order. I should have never went into that surgery.
I’ve been on phone calls with the hospital, the insurance company, the doctor, and the hospital billing office (separate from the hospital and unable to communicate with it for some reason) for well over a year.
My insurance company assured me that it would be taken care of. They then closed the case and opened at least one other internal case where they say it’s not being taken care of.
I pay over 10k out of my paycheck to cover my family. That’s before we hit the 4k family deductible and still have to pay 20% on most services.
God bless the United States healthcare system.
Conservatives will gladly suffer and die if it means the vulnerable will suffer the same fate. Nothing brings a conservative more joy than causing harm to others.
in this economy?!
Is it that hard to understand that in a society we have created to sustain and cooperate for the benefit of all, healthcare is something everyone should have? Like water, electricity, school, decent housing. If you want luxury items pay for them, but health as well as the other basics now in XXI century should never be a luxury, it should always be a human right.
It really is the “everyone” that annoys people. I’ve asked conservatives to explain to me how insurance works as a business model. They pretty quickly realize two things:
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Monthly premiums of everyone cover the needs of anyone in need today. (Some seem to think it is like a bank account, but pretty quickly realize why that doesn’t make sense. Framing it around car insurance instead of healthcare tends to help if they are struggling here.)
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As a for profit business, they need to collect more in monthly premiums from each customer than they will provide that customer with benefits. Otherwise, the business is not profitable.
Once they understand these two facts, then they are ready to understand why government sponsored healthcare is optimal. It maximizes the number of people paying into the monthly premiums, while minimizing the profit margin because the government doesn’t need to be run at a profit. Many disagree with that last point, but will usually be satisfied by phrasing it as “bringing in a minimal profit. Otherwise, we wouldn’t want to be overtaxed, right?”
With government helthcare there are also no “in network” and “out of network” doctors. You can simply just go to any fucking docktor you want and you don’t have to worry if one of the people in the hospital is out of network and you suddenly have to pay thousands for something you had basically no control over.
This is in my opinion the biggest plus of government helthcare.
Once they understand these two facts, then they are ready to understand why government sponsored healthcare is optimal.
In my experience they’ll understand the two facts but still arrive at the unwavering conclusion that it’s still better than the government running it.
I think all forced insurances must also provide a government alternative to keep the vultures humble
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“Everyone” in Republican NewSpeak means “people you want to suffer, and people who still won’t actually get health care”. Like minorities, women needing abortions, or illegal immigrants.
I can’t help but feel it was likely taken out of context. Anyone got the full version?
Yeah, he is dumb, but this would be a whole another level…
probably followed by something like “even the illegal dog-eating immigrants!”
Some people in the USA celebrate relative success instead of absolute one.
“Is your life really better when others suffer?”
Cruelty isn’t condemned in 'Murica
It’s celebrated
Keeping
up withthe Johnses down
It’s not hard to look at all other western countries and see that it works better in almost every area and overall costs less
And there is nothing stopping people from having private insurance on top of it
I don’t know why Americans are so easily brainwashed
Because they see suffering as a zero-sum game
If their life is shitty, then the only way for their life to improve is to make the life of someone else even shittier
It’s stupid and cruel
Quintessentially 'Murican
Americans don’t know how misinformed they are.
The American education system has been slowly eroded over decades to create an easily manipulated population of sheep.
What’s interesting is the people don’t have private healthcare. Yes it’s an option and some people do take it but the vast majority don’t including people that could easily afford it.
The very types that are most likely to complain about other people getting free healthcare are also the types to make use of it.
He’s threatening us with a good time.
Have you considered that evreyone also means… BLACK PEOPLE?
We can give some to the blacks, but what about the immigrants. How dare they get what is only reserved for the chosen few.
You failed to mention… Trans!!!
What about the… trans immigrants
for magas, the healthcare isn’t the bad part, it’s the “everyone” that makes them furious
It’s the old “why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare???”.
They’re too dumb to realize everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.
Especially because it’s the backwards hicks who tend to be the least healthy
There’s a part of me that would happily let them die as a result of their stupidity, but I believe even more strongly that universal health care should be universal
Let them opt out if they want to once it’s explained to them that it’s “socialised medicine” and is a leftist idea
They won’t, because they’re filthy hypocrites
It’s even more stupid than that. They’re not even paying for their own healthcare. If you arrive in hospital and need several million pounds worth of medical treatment, there’s no quibbling about whether or not you paid that much in they just get on with it.
The vast majority of people who suddenly require major surgery you actually pay considerably less over the course of a life paying via taxes then you ever would pay for private healthcare, also because it’s the government just funding itself they don’t make random numbers up when it comes to billing, it costs what it cost.
Pound like a pound of fat, if so can it come from the belly area, they have tons over there. /S
“Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare?”
Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.
I know no one on Lemmy likes Jubilee and I don’t either, but I still watch it every now and again.
Last month there was a Gen Z politician vs Boomers and one of the old guys was talking about how student loan forgiveness shouldn’t be done. The politician says you won’t feel it. The Boomer said, they would because of the numbers of the ledger, politician says you’ll feel it due to the all the people being able to contribute to the economy properly and giving it a huge boost. Boomer says him or his wife had their loans forgiven and it was a huge help, but that not everyone should get it.
Man, these fucking people.
Jubilee is a conservative channel, that pretends to be on “both sides” they showed thier true colors when they host conservatives, magats , and even charlie kirk, to debate “woke” people, usually its 20 people vs the left all the time.
Are there any channels you would consider non conservative that allow debates between racist talkshow hosts and non racist talkshow hosts?
Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.
Like their children that for some reason won’t visit or call during the holidays.
One day?! The entire point of health insurance is that millions of other people are paying to help you pay for your healthcare
And then a random dude in the middle takes a cut while providing no actual service.
The entire health insurance industry is built around taking a cut. Literally every single person who works for United Healthcare, BCBS, Aetna, and Humana is being paid by money the health insurance company took from you and is not using to provide healthcare. Not only that, but hospitals dedicate entire departments to battling health insurance companies for authorization for treatment. All that money could be redirected toward actually providing healthcare.
Hell, we all pay for other people’s healthcare now! When people go to the emergency room and can’t afford to pay, the hospitals crank up the cost of everyone else’s healthcare to make up for it. We have literally the least cost effective system possible.
Common misconception. You’re paying for other people’s healthcare, yes; plus the salaries of insurance agents, plus the commissions for insurance brokers, plus the bonuses for healthcare execs, plus the yacht money for healthcare investors, plus the bribe funds used by lobbyists, plus the apocalypse island money for the handful of people who own it all.
I’m probably forgetting a few. Like probably more being spend on private security now too for some reason.
I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart. He used to be against universal healthcare because he “doesn’t want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare”.
But now he’s been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate it being pointed out that he’s living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.
hes going to do mental gymnasitcs,“im not one of those people, i worked 100k+/year job for decades, and i deserved it”. if he was a diehard magat.
These people NEED this pointed out to them. It’s the only way they ever change their perspectives. It must affect them, otherwise they never change.
I have a friend whom I have this argument with frequently, not about health care specifically but other socialized benefits (e.g. SNAP). He’s even a leftist, but still thinks he shouldn’t have to pay for people who “take advantage of the system” (e.g. spend their SNAP benefits on things he doesn’t believe should qualify, or receive SNAP benefits while spending their ‘real’ money on things he considers non-essential).
The fact that there are corporations getting orders of magnitude more in handouts, or that we’re spending an unreal amount of money on the military, or that there’s unfathomable amounts of corruption in the government, and that those benefits are in actuality a tiny fraction of what his taxes go to, makes no difference. He doesn’t want people at the bottom to get an ounce more than he believes they strictly need or deserve, and I cannot for the life of me understand that line of thought.
are you sure hes a leftist, or one in NAME only. almost everyone that believes welfare should not be for POORs/POC is almost always a conservative. i know a couple people that are ON THE left in name only, but says alot of talking points of a republican and would rather vote R, if not for the pontential ostracization from thier immediately circles.
I mean, I only know what I’ve gathered from our conversations, but his views align with mine on almost every other topic. That’s why it baffles me so much that we don’t agree on this one.
guess he dint fully buy into the manosphere/ right grifting circuit.
“I’d rather 99 people get support they might not need if it means one person gets the support they definitely need.”
I’ve used that reasonably successfully.
A while back, I was listening to a podcast that apparently had a fairly sizable conservative Christian audience, because there were a good number of ads for Christian “Health Care Sharing Ministries,” into which subscribers pay a voluntary “share,” and from which they draw when they need it.
I don’t remember the specific language the ad used, but I do remember it saying something that sounded almost dangerously close to “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” I started laughing at that one.
There’s a Fundamental Christian influencer named Aria Lewis who has that “insurance”. She’s been dealing with dental problems and basically made a post one day asking her followers if that insurance was a scam because she wasn’t able to get the care she really needed
It’s crazy what problems people fall into when they choose something has “Christian” in the name over what everyone else is using
Agreed 100%. Even as a Christian myself, I avoid businesses with “Christian” in the name. At best it feels like they’re trying to say that they’re the “Jesus-y” choice. At worst it means they’re crooks trying to look legitimate. In either case they’re probably maga.
dental insurance is kinda of a scam, if you are not using an employer-sponsered one, they dont cover most things outside of cleanings. the ones i looked from the 3 well known dental insurance, have approximately the same kind of coverage for all 3 plans, the only difference some of them are more expensive. Employer- sponsored plans have very different coverage from the individual plans.
i like how they rail about dental/health insurance as a scam, while they use a more expensive version which is likely paying the full cost of dental care. i would imagine the fund would drain pretty fast if people are getting multiple cavities filled, and not even for other things like extractions, root canal and crowns, or periodontal care, or implants.
I ALSO notice some dental offices, offer thier own “insurance” in house, may or may not be expensive but that could be another avenue if people dont want to pay for better insurance.
so every time he says he doesn’t want to pay for people taking advantage of the system, ask if he means the wealthy people denying healthcare to people so they can afford more yachts, their 8th mansion, their 30th sport car, their second helicopter. Because he’s overpaying for his private healthcare so they can take advantage of him.
When you say “leftist” I assume you mean liberal Democrat.
Let’s maybe save the purity tests for when we’re not staring down the barrel of a fascist coup already in progress, eh?
The Democrats are just as fascist:
- Biden/Harris had the entire Epstein file suite and did absolutely nothing with it
- Obama/Biden built the policy power to do the mass deportations and city-deployments of ICE that Trump is now using
- Biden knew this and changed literally nothing about it when he was president
- Obama/Biden deported more people than Trump has
- Obama/Biden appointed Tom Homan as deportation czar - same guy Trump appointed in both terms
- Biden/Harris deported/repatriated over 4M in only 4 years
- Biden/Harris participated in the Israeli-led genocide of Gaza
- Obama refused to provide arms to Ukraine. Trump was the first president ever to approve arms transfers to Ukraine.
- Obama/Biden + HRClinton continued the Bush2 strategic plan for destroying 7 countries by completely destroying Libya, laughing at the public torture and execution of a 70-year-old man sodomized with a blade by people the HRC State Dept coordinated
- 800k people, on average, have died every year for the last 50 years due to US sanctions, and both parties are totally OK with it.
We could keep going, back to Clinton and the Biden-authored Crime Bill, back to every war and military action, to the School of the Americas and the training of death squads and terrorists. We can go through and show how these programs were continuous across party switches in every part of the government. We can show how every mass movement of people for self-liberation and self-governance was met with mass murder at the hands of the USA regardless of which party was in charge. We can show how the USA was the model used for EuroFascism and how the USA absorbed and protected the failed EuroFascists and then spread them around the world for decades with their protection, bi-partisanly.
The USA is the global reservoir of fascism, which, of course it is, because the USA is the torchbearer, inheritor, executor, and protector of EuroImperialism, which is what EuroFascism fundamentally is.
The crazy thing is, I actually agree with you about your list, and that the US has told a fairy tale for the past two and a half centuries about how we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys, and so forth. But then
The Democrats are just as fascist
is just laughable in pretty much every conceivable way. Are they still bad? Yes! But have they sent a secret police around the country to tear “undesirables” out of their homes and send them to countries they’ve never been without due process? Are they currently plotting to overthrow the election or stay in power despite losing that election? Did they, in the past two years, allow an unelected billionaire to destroy entire government agencies by fiat?
Ah-ah-ah! I hear you saying “but they voted to approve ICE funding” or “but they didn’t do anything to stop any of it” or “but Obama deported a bunch of people too” or “Democratic gerrymandering”—no. I didn’t ask if they allowed it to happen. I didn’t ask for whatabouts. I asked if they were behind the worst, most criminal activities being perpetrated by the US government at this very moment. I asked if they are doing it now. Are they the prime movers?
No? Then you can’t say “just as fascist.” That might’ve been true ten years ago—actually, aside from the election fraud, it almost definitely was—and I could maybe even see an argument that their evil was in the same order of magnitude as recently as two years ago, but equating the two since Trump 2 is like comparing a viper bite to a meteor entering the atmosphere. They’re both imminently dangerous, sure, but the difference in the scale of damage would be almost laughable if the harm wasn’t currently in progress.
The country needs to be fixed. I don’t think the Democrats are going to do it. But I’m not going to do anything to aid the people who are going to make it more broken, so I’m going to leave off turning on people who will be on our team until after the existential threat to our loved ones and ourselves is past.
Geez, they really do come out of the woodwork just prior to elections.
No, we don’t. We are always here. But you fucking dilletantes show up a few months before every election thinking that you can both rustle up some blue no matter who votes while spreading your blue MAGA bullshit and then accuse everyone else of being Russian bots and Republican trolls and you smug schmucks think it’s working without any sense of how propaganda actually works and how you are creating every opportunity for people to see how completely bankrupt you all are.
Well, you know what they say about assumptions. Of course, when I see a post from .ml, I assume the poster is a tankie, so I guess we’re both guilty.
Ah, I’ve engaged a person without an original thought. My mistake.
Sometimes, thought doesn’t have to be original. Sometimes, when something rings true, many people have the same thought, and can talk about it and agree with people who share the same thought and that isn’t an issue.
You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.
What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.
Also, private insurance is still ‘paying for other people’s healthcare’.
there’s usually a ‘process’ and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever ‘community care’ program the facility has.
they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or ‘arrangements’ upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).
they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first… my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.
i like how the christian “health/dental” plans are exactly like actual insurance from like companies like cigna,aetna,delta-care,etc.
As evil as for-profit health insurance is, it’s actually heavily regulated. These Christian coop schemes are not and can absolutely scam people and not pay out at all for reasons like not having evidence of adhering to a strict moral code (skipped church too many Sundays? Yeah that’s a violation, coverage voided). And when they retroactively decide the person isn’t Christlike enough there’s little recourse for the patient.
I don’t think it’s that. Or at least not always that. I’ve met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it’s unfair that others would get it for “free”. They’re so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.
everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.
Everyone else minus a select few parasites who instead make their healthcare vastly more expensive to balance it out – the American way. 🇵🇷🦅⛪🗽🔫🎆
Even if it works out cheaper, they believe certain people don’t deserve healthcare, or anything in their eyes.
They’ve never heard of communicable diseases either.
It’s shocking more people aren’t furious at having healthcare tied to a job. It’s a shackle. Coersion. A keep this particular job, or else.
can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare
usually welfare has been stereotyped for people of AA descent and poor.
It’s the Southern Strategy, but without Nixon’s charm or Reagan’s intelligence.
I should probably give this stuff some proper reading, but I’m curious about your take on it.
reagans intelligence is a stretch, he mostly had progressive symptoms of alzheimers around that that time, it is believed that nancy throat goat reagan and his cabinet was just pulling his strings 100% of the time.
Back to an article quote from his first term ‘hes not hurting the right people’. Lol like they’re people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.
Exactly
Sorry, I expect consequences for every motherfucker spending the last 2 years blatantly flaunting the law before healthcare.
Silly you, expecting consequences for the wealthy class in the USA.
I…honestly am not sure if this is an onion. :'(
No silly, it’s an online post
this is a real thing he said, but it was in 2024
You should warn people that you’re posting a Twitter link before someone accidentally clicks on it. Not every Lemmy instance/app offers link previews.
OP is a new second time, just to be clear.
OP is a new second time, just to be clear.
you sound very confident but you are mistaken. just to be clear: the screenshot in the post shows a still from the same video as the 2024 tweet i linked.
What?
