I’ve heard the legends of having to drive to literally everywhere (e.g. drive thru banks), but I have no clue how far apart things are.

I live in suburban London where you can get to a big supermarket in 10 minutes of walking, a train station in 20 minutes and convenience stores are everywhere. You can get anywhere with bus and train in a few hours.

Can someone help a clueless British lemmyposter know how far things are in the US?

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Here are my walking distances:

  • To the nearest convenience store: 250m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 350m
  • To the bus stop: 310m
  • To the nearest park: 400m
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 1.3km
  • To the nearest library: 1.2km
  • To the nearest train station: 1km

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 16km

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    Just for fun, I decided to check my distances against yours

    Here are my walking distances:

    • To the nearest convenience store: 1.13km
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.74km
    • To the bus stop: 33.8km
    • To the nearest park: 2.41km
    • To the nearest *big* supermarket: 17.7km
    • To the nearest library: 2.41km
    • To the nearest train station: 24.14km
    • Straight-line distance to Nashville’s “The Batman Building” (closest approximation to a large unique cityscape building): 67.76km
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      I live in a small suburb right outside of a major us city.

      To the nearest convenience store: .6 km To the nearest chain supermarket: .9 km To the bus stop: .3km To the nearest park: 1.0km To the nearest big supermarket: .9km To the nearest library: 1.2km To the nearest train station: .6km Straight-line distance to big Ben: 5708 km

      You certainly got me on big Ben distance.

      But this is why the question is kind of silly. America is a huge, diverse place. When I lived in NYC, I was probably closer to everything than you. Where I grew up in an almost rural area, the closest thing was over 5km away. And this isn’t even all that bad because I had a friend who grew up in an unincorporated area where she had to drive 30min just to get her mail.

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      - To the bus stop: 33.8km

      Is that a typo, or can you just randomly stand at the side of the road and flag down a bus so you don’t need as many formal bus stops?

      Because that’s wild.

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        Not a typo. There are no buses unless you go to one of the neighboring cities. I live too far from anywhere that has buses. You either have to walk, or… you can drive! Like everybody else in the US without access to any sort of public transportation remotely close to their home…

        Edit: Here’s my nearest walking directions to a large supermarket

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    At this point I just want Japan to realize that not every American lives in walking distance of Los Angeles and NYC, and none of us live in walking distance of both at once.

    Seriously, stop basing your marketing strategies around “Major US Cities Only!”

    The nearest “Major US” City to me is like a day’s drive, and I mean literally you don’t stop driving for an entire day.

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      I don’t know. I do kinda enjoy the tourist conversation on the Cannon Ball run.

      You can get to New York from LA in 24 hrs, you just have to break a ton of laws.

      I’ve found it’s the best way to really drive home how good the Interstate is while also permanently embedding the real size of the continent.

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    This is central Florida, on the east coast. The chain supermarket is Publix, the big supermarket is Walmart. Brightline is supposed to build a train station nearby, but they haven’t started yet.

    To the nearest convenience store: 1.9 km
    To the nearest chain supermarket: 5.7 km
    To the bus stop: 3.8 km
    To the nearest park: 1.1 km
    To the nearest big supermarket: 12.1 km
    To the nearest library: 7.3 km
    To the nearest train station: 75.5 km
    

    Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 6,967 km

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    Here are my walking distances in Seattle:

    • Convenience store: 150m
    • Chain supermarket: 30m
    • Big supermarket: 1.6km
    • Bus stop: 10m
    • Park: 100m
    • Library: 150m
    • Train station: 2km

    Straight-line distance to Space Needle: 4.3km

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    I live in DFW, a large amalgamation of two cities and a bunch if suburban sprawl in Texas.
    I live in a neighborhood that is considered extremely walkable, as I am directly across the street from a university and less than a mile from city hall.

    Here are my walking distances:

    • To the nearest convenience store: 1.8km
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 4.3 km (They have a monopoly though, so unless you can afford whole foods, the closest good one is like 22.5 km)
    • To the bus stop: Lol, we don’t have busses. A neighboring city does, so I guess 29 km?
    • To the nearest park: Nearest park is 2.8km. Nearest public space is only 1.5km because I live right next to city hall.
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 8.9 km to Walmart.
    • To the nearest library: 1.5km, again, I live right next to city hall.
    • To the nearest train station: 16km, unless you mean one for intercity travel. We don’t have one of those because Amtrak is slowly being killed.

    Straight-line distance to Big Ben: we don’t have a Big Ben, but we killed JFK and that’s 34km away.

    Bonus fun fact, I commute 42km each day. This is considered far by most people here, 32km would be much more reasonable.

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      To reiterate how bad public transit is, even in populated areas: I’m also in DFW. This is my daily commute…

      It’s ~9.6km. Note that the bus/train option is entirely greyed out, because there is no public transit which runs from my house to my job. If I were to walk, the only option would be on the side of a highway. I would have cars passing me at ~70 MPH without even a curb for protection.

      To walk to the nearest grocery store, it’s ~4km, with a large part of it along the shoulder of that same highway. Same with a major chain.

      Nearest bus stop is ~6.9km, but that only takes me in a direction I wouldn’t need to go; There are no local bus or train stops that land me near where I work or live.

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    I’ll just use the same criteria you gave as an example.

    • To the nearest convenience store: 1.5mi (2.6km)
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 1.8mi (2.9km)
    • To the bus stop: 0.5mi (800m)
    • To the nearest park: 0.3mi (480m) - I’m lucky to have several parks in my neighborhood
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 2.1mi (3.4km)
    • To the nearest library: 2.2mi (3.5km)
    • To the nearest train station: 5.1mi (8.2km)

    Edit: I live in a mid-size city (300k) on the east coast.

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      nearly 3km to convenience store or supermarket… in a city? i get the other comments with similar numbers but they said they’re in the middle of nowhere, in the suburbs and such.

      also i live in such a big city that 300k feels like a small neighborhood.

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        I was going to call it a “small” city but Google told me that 300k is mid-size so I went with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        The city is ~350 sq km and our tiny downtown area is probably about 1 sq km, so the entire city is kinda like a suburb. Heck, I’m from Houston which is known for its urban sprawl, and yet there’s lower population density where I live now.

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    Let’s start with infrastructure.

    Buses/metro/any public transit, barriered or not, sparsely or rarely exist. Even painted bike paths/walking paths, these usually exist ONLY in dense or older urban areas. You have either 1-1.5m wide sidewalk elevated 10cm or nothing separating you on foot from car traffic.

    So that 250m is often on the shoulder of car lanes.

    Now let’s talk property liability. You are responsible for injuries others sustain while on your property unless you have clearly posted signage expressing they were not allowed on your property. Even then and at best you’ll have to disrupt 6mo of your life tied up in courts+fees. (No right to roam. You do get the “perk” of open manhunting season on trespassers)

    So that shortcut through the neighborhood where your neighbor laid out gravel because they care about community? Nope, that’s cyclone fence or cinder block wall. That alley between flats? Gated off.

    It’s not even scale that’s the problem. You ALWAYS have to go around the ENTIRE block. A 250m Crow flight can easily be and most often is 1+km by foot, and only ever with a curb as your protection from traffic. You can’t safely get to geographically nearby places without putting yourself in mortal danger.

    Also note European road design limits traffic in residential areas where the US grid system means every road is a main road and wide enough to promote excessive speeding.

    Source: anecdotal/American living in EU

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    I live in a suburb in the U.S.

    • To the nearest convenience store: 322m
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.4km
    • To the bus stop: 2.6km
    • To the nearest park: 5.5km
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 6.1km
    • To the nearest library: 7.7km
    • To the nearest train station: N/A

    Notes:

    • The “convenience store” in my example is a gas station, technically you can buy lottery tickets, candy, cigarettes, beer, and a few things like that - but very limited inventory, it’s mostly for people buying gas. It’s also very unusual to have a gas station like this located basically in a suburban area, most places you would have to go much further to find one.
    • no sidewalks or safe passage, you walk on a dangerous road with ditches on either side to get to the convenience store.
    • the only public transit is a bus, it is used only by poor people, and it doesn’t cover the west half of the city (for example I was unable to use public transit to go to school)

    I have run to the park before despite being far away, but I think most people would (rightfully) think I was suicidal for doing so. A lot of the way to the park requires walking on dangerous streets where people drive fast around blind curves and where there is little to no shoulders to squeeze by if there are cars, most of the way has no sidewalks, and I have to cross busy roads where drivers are going 80+kmh.

    Owning a car here is considered a part of being an adult, people without a car are seen as childish or immature, and usually suspected of being drunks who have lost their license due to DUIs or felons who cannot have a driving license and aren’t allowed to leave the state. It is assumed everyone drives everywhere, alternatives are unthinkable to most people here.

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        Well, those distances use a nearby highway, and there are no bike lanes anywhere (let alone sidewalks). As mentioned earlier, being suicidal means I did use a bicycle anyway, and after a couple years I had a brain injury, was hit by cars twice and ended up with permanent injuries. So… yeah, I don’t recommend cycling (if you feel like being alive and able-bodied, anyway).

        What is also not mentioned is that the nearest supermarket is a shitty Walmart, the nearest park is very small and not really worth going to, and the bus is not a practical form of public transit here.

        I have to drive 20 - 30 minutes to actually get to stores, parks, or other places I would actually go to. I think that’s pretty good relative to most people, I live in a centralized location and most places are equidistant. I used to live in a nearby more rural town and I had to drive 45 - 60 minutes to get most places, and that was much worse.

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          (That’s why I said if you had safe bicycle lanes. But are there no local politicians who’d be willing to do anything about that? A gravel road isn’t that expensive and would suffice.)

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            The county mayor describes himself as a Rothbardian, and the government here sometimes feels openly hostile to people, but especially to bicyclists. I received a lot of harassment for cycling, it is not supported culturally, and is even viewed as though I am a political enemy of the people. Huge, lifted emotional-support trucks are pretty common here.

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              Damn

              Rothbard opposed egalitarianism and the civil rights movement, and blamed women’s voting and activism for the growth of the welfare state.[24][25][10][11] He promoted historical revisionism and befriended the Holocaust denier Harry Elmer Barnes.[26][27][28] Later in his career, Rothbard advocated a libertarian alliance with paleoconservatism (which he called paleolibertarianism), favoring right-wing populism and describing David Duke and Joseph McCarthy as models for political strategy.[29][30][24][31] In the 2010s, he received renewed attention as an influence on the alt-right.[32][10][33][34]

              Oh and bicycling also wasn’t popular in Europe when my grandfather was young (50s/60s), when you were cycling people thought you were too poor to buy a motorcycle. But mindsets can change, now bicycling is hugely popular both for moving around (especially in cities) and for sports.

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                yeah, during COVID the mayor became famous for running attack ads against the health department, and as a result of his leadership the state legislature stripped the health department of their ability to implement any policies or directives

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    I live in rural Oklahoma…

    Here are my walking distances: * To the nearest convenience store: 4.667km * To the nearest chain supermarket: 24.140km * To the bus stop: 27.358km * To the nearest park: 321.869m * To the nearest *big* supermarket: 33.7962km * To the nearest library: 32.1869km * To the nearest train station: 70.8111km

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    To the nearest convenience store: 2.3mi / 3.7 km

    To the nearest chain supermarket: 9mi / 14km (not actually a chain store, it’s a small grocery in a small rural town)

    To the bus stop: lol, I don’t think any of the cities near me bother with that, nor would they be useful to me

    To the nearest park: 5mi / 8km (lake, about a 5 minute drive)

    To the nearest big supermarket: 14mi / 22km

    To the nearest library: 9mi / 14km

    To the nearest train station: 51mi / 82km (and this station doesn’t service any location I couldn’t get to faster than driving, even across country. Because AMTRAK is shit. I know because I’ve done it before)

    This is in central CA, not far at all from the Capitol, Sacramento. For being the 5th biggest economy in the world our capitol is pathetic

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    I can probably offer some insight, as my in-laws live in Wimbledon, some of my family live both near and far from DC/Baltimore, and I live in the Netherlands.

    My London experience is on par to yours. Everything is walking distance and the things that aren’t are accessible by public transit fairly easily.

    The Netherlands imo is even better planned and connected than the UK. The convenience store is around the corner from my townhouse. Two large chain supermarkets are just a 3 or 7 minute walk depending on which is preferred (the 7-min one is pricier but better selection) and there are more a few more minutes walking. The bus stop is 3 min away, train is a 10 minute walk. Parks and bike lanes all around.

    DC is also very walkable and similar to London. Bike lanes. Everything is accessible and public transit is pretty good. Lots of convenience stores, small grocers, and even some larger chains. A few metro lines even go far out to the suburbs. I like the building height limit, which makes the city feel more open. Rock Creek Park is massive and you feel like you’re in the forest.

    Once you get to the suburbs there may be a convenience store a 10-20 minute walk away, or a grocer if you’re lucky, but generally this is when you’ll be needing a car, as public transit becomes scant. Many Americans are walking averse; my husband and I are the odd couple that parks at the back of the lot when visiting Costco instead of spending half an hour hoping to get a spot by the doors. Most stores will be in plazas or strip malls.

    My father lives out in the country. He loves having acres and acres of no one around. His house is an island. There’s one 7-11 in his tiny village. He’s lucky it’s a 5 minute walk from his house. If I want to get groceries when visiting, the nearest store is 8 miles away (a leisurely 4 hour walk; 10 minute drive). Oftentimes there are no sidewalks; mostly long stretches of road with big shoulders. I don’t think there’s public transit there; I’ve never seen a bus. There are farms everywhere so parks need to be driven to, however, they are pretty big with lots of room for activities.

    It’s likely not too different from comparing London to Dartmoor. Much of it depends on where you are (population density). Some areas have great public transit and access to services, others don’t.

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      Hard disagree on DC. The public transit is bad, the train only goes a few places, and the majority of the city is not easily walkable, only the touristy parts. I’d also call it a depressing shithole, but that borders on opinion.

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        Fair enough, not everyone will have the same experience. The busses can suck; at least the metro is tidy and runs well. My cousin in Georgetown doesn’t have a car, and he manages to travel to and access everything he needs, including going out to Potomac or Silver Spring. Going east/west is tricker, but on the flip side DC is rather small for a major city, and they’re building the purple line. Public bikes and scooters are also everywhere which is nice for visitors. Additional bike lanes and connectivity is needed for sure.

        Compare to Baltimore, where they have the one metro line, which is broken half the time.

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        WMATA busses need serious work and there aren’t enough bike lanes for last mile connectivity, but by US standards it’s about as good as it gets outside of NYC.

        The busses are the main differentiation between European and US cities in my experience. Only Seattle and SF get close to running a decent bus service.

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        Hard agree, DC sucks ass. I actually strongly prefer Baltimore, which feels much more like a real city to me. DC is so artificial and bland.

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        Depends on the part of dc- big chunks of it have $5 million homes for miles. Every major city has slummy areas, but dc for the most part is expensive as shit and gentrified combined with endless government buildings. Also has one of the best museums in the world with over a dozen massive buildings, all free.

        You might be thinking of Baltimore :P

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    Living in a small town in central North Carolina (answering these questions in units of city blocks that are ~150 meters long or in statute miles:

    To the nearest convenience store: 4 blocks

    To the nearest chain supermarket: 2 miles

    To the bus stop: ~35 miles (It’s a distance to the nearest town with a bus service)

    To the nearest park: 8 or 9 blocks

    To the nearest BIG supermarket: 2.5 miles. The “nearest chain supermarket” is a Food Lion; slightly farther down the road is a Wal-Mart and a Harris Teeter about the same distance away.

    To the nearest library: 3 blocks

    To the nearest train station: 4 blocks.

    Straight-line distance to Big Ben: ~4000 miles. juuuust out of earshot. I don’t recommend walking.

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    Depends where you live.

    In a city? 75% of everything I need is right across the street.

    In a rural town? Before I moved to the city, I had to drive 30-45 miles away to do literally anything. There were busses, but they only came around once in the morning and once more in the evening. And they didn’t always go where you wanted directly, so you’d have to spend like an entire day just to get to a place.

    Nearest big landmark everyone might recognize is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. And thats 78 miles away in a straight line.

    Edit: To put things in terms non-Americans may understand better - We tend to measure distances not in the unit of distance, but in the time it takes to get somewhere. Assuming there is no traffic, the Golden Gate Bridge would only be an hour away taking the freeway. But that’s never gonna happen; the traffic through the Altamonte Pass alone is gonna add 1-2 hours depending on the time of day.

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    I live on the edge of a small town. Google numbers:

    • To the nearest convenience store: 4.7km, 1hr 4min walk
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 21km, 4hr 38min walk
    • To the nearest bus stop: 18km, 4hr 7min walk
    • To the nearest park: 3.4km, 47 minute walk
    • To the nearest library: 4.7km, 1hr 3min walk
    • To the nearest train station: 20km, 4hr 31 minute walk
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    Phoenix suburbs

    We don’t really have public transportation at all

    Nearest convenience store 1.5 miles

    Nearest chain grocery store 4.2 miles

    Nearest big grocery store (Costco)2.8 miles

    Nearest library 1.9 miles

    Nearest park 0.6 miles(there’s a playground closer but it’s tiny)

    Straight line to big Ben 5285 miles