Delta plane crashes, flips upside down while landing in Toronto from Minneapolis
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Authorities say at least 18 people are injured after a Delta Air Lines plane flipped upside down while landing amid wintry conditions Monday at Toronto Pearson International Airport.

Emergency crews are responding to a crash involving a Delta Air Lines plane that arrived Monday at Toronto Pearson Airport from Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, ultimately landing upside down amid wintry conditions.

The FAA says all 80 people on board Flight 4819, operated by Endeavor Air, were evacuated.

Peel Regional Paramedic Services confirmed to CBS News that 15 patients had been transported to the hospital. Out of those injuries, one child and two adults are critically injured. The rest of the injuries are minor to moderate, officials said.

All crew and passengers have been accounted for.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
    7·
    3 days ago

    After seeing video from several different angles it looks like there was no landing flare. The plane drove straight into the runway. The CRJ tends to land “flatter” than many aircraft, but the mains and nose touch almost simultaneously even with the compression of the main strut. That’s not right at all. We’ll have to wait and see if there was a shear or something that caused a loss of airspeed where the pilots kept the nose down, or whether it was just a crew fuckup, new pilot in the aircraft, whatever.

    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 days ago

      Yeah, it looks like there was a slight roll just before touching down that put all the weight on one set of wheels. The wheels just seemed to collapse. Maybe it was the lack of flare or a structural failure on the landing gear? It definitely didn’t look like it flared at all.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 days ago

        The failure was because of the lack of arresting the sink rate with a flare. I sincerely doubt it was a structural issue inherent with the aircraft, but the investigation will reveal what happened. The NTSB and the Canadian TSB will sort it out.

  • ecvanalog@lemmy.world
    14·
    3 days ago

    I’m glad everybody was ok, especially since the actual image of the fully-upside-down plane is so cool and I would feel bad enjoying it otherwise.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      Don’t worry! I’m sure president Musk cutting staff at the understaffed FAA will reduce accidents!

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    81·
    3 days ago

    How does a plane get infected with Minneapolis? We shoupd make sure this doesn’t spread like bird flu.

    • paraphrand@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      4 days ago

      Maybe we’re losing the will to maintain the high standards they require.

      Or maybe the knowledge?

      • Zron@lemmy.world
        11·
        3 days ago

        There’s been a pilot shortage for years.

        So the FAA reduced the requirements for being a flight instructor. There were a bunch of shitty flight instructors which led to a lot of private pilot incidents.

        I think we’re seeing the results of those shitty instructor’s students becoming commercial pilots at the same time that the seasoned pilots are leaving for retirement or cushy private roles for corporations and the wealthy.

        So it’s mainly an experience thing. Most industries run on the experience of a small group that guides new workers until they’re experienced enough to keep things moving. This is what happens when there’s not enough seasoned workers to guide all of the new employees coming in. The same thing is happening in the trades, where a lot of industry knowledge is being poorly passed down due to all of the old guard retiring at the same time as their replacements are being hired. It’s anecdotal, but I’ve heard from friends who manage facilities departments at major hospitals that there’s a lot of barely running equipment because they’ve only got a handful of people, and only 1 or 2 experienced people, trying to maintain entire campuses.

        Overworked, inexperienced employees will make mistakes. And unfortunately for them, they no longer have the opportunity to learn from experienced workers before they are thrust into critical roles.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      394·
      3 days ago

      Well this one got confused when talking to the air traffic controller. They said eh, and he mistook it as Australia. By the time he heard them say sorry it was tits up.

      Edit: well shit… I heard they were all safe and now I am seeing not everyone might be okay, so now I feel like an ass

      • robbinhood@lemmy.world
        241·
        3 days ago

        Sardonic humor is practically a necessity for survival at this point. Really glad that this wasn’t a high lethality crash.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      392·
      4 days ago

      How the hell do you land a plane upside down?

      Professional Microsoft Simulator skillz!

    • ahal@lemmy.ca
      303·
      4 days ago

      This is completely unverified, but I heard it happened while the plane was taxiing. Just a freakishly strong crosswind picking up a light plane.

        • ahal@lemmy.ca
          3·
          3 days ago

          Yeah that was my source as well. But there’s some CCTV footage that appears to show the plane moving upside down much faster than taxiing speed, so seems like it was just a rumour.

    • saltesc@lemmy.world
      41·
      4 days ago

      Out of those injuries, one child and two adults are critically injured. The rest of the injuries are minor to moderate

      If they’re using the AIS appropriately, somehow three people skipped serious and severe injuries and went straight to a 30%+ chance of dying. I cannot imagine a scenario of how this is possible in a confined tube where everything is secured away and the other 96% of people walk on out of there with a minor fractures at best.

      All I’ve thought is a large passenger somehow came unfastened and crushed people, causing skeletal damage, organ ruptures, collapsed lungs, etc. and now the stastical odds is at least one of those critical patients ain’t gonna make it.

      • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
        16·
        4 days ago

        An iPad or laptop to the skull will fuck you up. Pretty much every flight I’ve been on recently, people pull out their devices again once the flight attendants are gone. I really wish flights would crack down on this and just start banning the assholes who can’t go like 8 full minutes without a screen.

        Also airplane seatbelts are kind of a joke for kids. It would not surprise me if a kid came loose and became a deadly projectile.

        • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
          5·
          4 days ago

          Flying laptops are a great point. I’ll remember to cover my head in my arms the next time I’m landing.

        • saltesc@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 days ago

          My fav part about a flight is getting off the screen. I just put on tunes and work through a crossword book or try guess where I am from the terrain below. Also catching a sundog is super neat. Feels relaxing.

          It’s only long flights I’ll take a screen for movies or something. I find it very hard to fall asleep if I’m not laying down on my stomach or side, so long flights can be rough.

    • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
      18·
      3 days ago

      Not everyone walked away. Some may have suffered life-altering injuries.

      Peel Regional Paramedic Services confirmed to CBS News that 15 patients had been transported to the hospital. Out of those injuries, one child and two adults are critically injured. The rest of the injuries are minor to moderate, officials said.

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
        663·
        4 days ago

        Actually, when a plane feels safe and trusts its pilots it will show you its belly in a display of vulnerability to communicate its feelings.

      • enkers@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        4 days ago

        Did it? I think if it flips before landing, it’s not very likely to walk away from that.

        In the thread on the site that shall not be named, people were speculating that it touched down, skidded off the runway due to the high winds, one wing caught the ground, sheared off, then it rolled over.

        Seems plausible to me, but I know next to nothing about aviation, so take my opinion with a large pinch of salt.

        • easydnesto@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          4 days ago

          Seems more likely scenarios for the wingstrike after touchdown. From the video the plane is on asphalt which is crazy to me. Given how straight the fuselage is, I’m still boggled how it ended upside down with as little damage shown on the fuselage.

    • IamSparticles@lemmy.zipEnglish
      31·
      4 days ago

      Not quite walked away. Nobody died on the scene, but two adults and a child were critically injured. Here’s hoping they recover from their injuries.

      As to the cause, I can only speculate until the flight data is available, but I suspect it had something to do with the wind conditions. They were recording gust speeds up to 37 mph which is pretty high and at the very least could cause an uncomfortable landing. If they got a higher gust or the wind direction suddenly shifted, it could cause the plane to experience uneven lift. One wing goes high and the other dips. If this happens just as the plane is touching down it’s nearly impossible for the pilot to correct.

      • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Winds were gusting to nearly 60 over in VT yesterday. I can’t wait to hear why the wing apparently failed (once it was gone it’s easy for a plane to invert one the runway like that.

        Sounds like the hard landing might have broken it, but Bombardier is going to have some explaining to do, since it’s probably supposed to handle that

    • HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      4 days ago

      According to CBC 1 person is in hospital in critical condition and another estimated 14 passengers were injured.

      CTV now says “three of the patients, including a child, sustained critical injuries”, total of 18 injured.

      https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/local/peel/article/live-updates-18-injured-after-toronto-pearson-plane-crash-delta-airlines-says/

      There was also some fairly heavy wind/gusts at the time, 51-65 km/h (32-40 mph).

      https://weather.gc.ca/past_conditions/index_e.html?station=yyz

      If the plane’s wing caught a 65 km/h gust at just the right angle, it may have been enough to lift and flip the plane. Just a guess tho.

      • OminousOrange@lemmy.ca
        41·
        4 days ago

        Thou shalt not speculate, but I’m going to do it anyway. Given the lack of a wing and icy conditions, I would guess a skid off the runway caused a roll once the wheels caught the snow, detaching a wing and leaving the plane on its roof. Thankfully the lower speed would mean simply rolling over rather than the more…destructive alternative.

        • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
          43·
          3 days ago

          Yes but that doesn’t align with my agenda. Obviously agency changes last month in the US would cause a crash in Canada because uh… uh … Delta is an American company

          • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            3 days ago

            It’s not clear to me who or what is directly responsible for this, but do you really think the American Agency for Making Sure Planes Don’t Crash isn’t involved when an American Plane Crashes… just because it happened somewhere else?

            • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
              1·
              3 days ago

              Did you reply to the right comment? Because I was obviously saying the crash was not caused, in any way, by recent changes in Trump’s administration