Summary
Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.
Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to “Russian aggression” and prefers calling it the “Ukraine conflict.”
This shift follows Trump’s peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine’s President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a “dictator.”
The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.
Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.
The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world’s economics as well, and that’s clearly the long-term goal.
“The US” isnt doing anything. Trump and his scumbags are destroying everything.
When Trump does something, the party that controls House, Senate and Supreme court follows his marching orders, the richest and most influential individuals act as his lieutenants, almost half of the country agree with it, and the other half doesn’t resist or strike, then YES! THE US DOES THE THING!
The Nazis didn’t have 100% popular support in Germany. They didn’t have 50% active supporters. They had 10% party membership, even though non-members couldn’t enter a career in many fields, were harassed by authorities, and lots of people were entered into the party automatically.
Still, it was NAZI GERMANY.AND… within Nazi Germany, were real Germans who stood against Nazism, however they could…
there are a few books on that, “An Honorable Defeat” is one I’ve heard-of.
Oversimplification is anti-survival: it is just another ideology/prejudice/“religion”.
The US, the official US, is now Trump’s property, & Trump ( CURRENTLY ) is Putin’s property, & Musk’s.
I expect Trump to have a minor aneurism/stroke or something, which will remove empathy from him, completely.
( he’s fighting that personality-conversion, in my view )
But no matter how psychopathic/machiavellian/nihilist/sadistic the official US becomes, there’s good people there.
( remember that biblical thing, can’t remember who it was, perhaps Abraham,
who argued with G-D, that if there are good people there, then don’t destroy the place?
I think he was doing the wrong-selectivity: he should have been demanding that they, the good people,
be spared the destruction that G-D was about to toss on the evil…
& if it was the Sodom & Gomorrah story,
then as I’ve pointed-out before, if the angels visiting the good guy who lived there had been female angels,
& the gang-rapers trying to get in had been intending heterosexual-rape,
that would not, in any way, whatsoever, have made their intent non-evil.
It wasn’t their sexual-orientation, it was the gang-raping-angels, that made it abomination.
Anyways, back to the original message : )
Back on reddit I was permabanned from some communities, simply for posting in specific-other communities.
The Problem™ I had with that?
I’d been commenting in those other communities specifically to counter the abuse they were heaping on somebody.
So, I got judged to be one-of-the-abusers because of the venue I’d spoken in, which I’d spoken-in only to counter its abuse…
I’ve been gaslit all my life, & am fed-up with it.
Differentiate correctly, & don’t abuse the innocent, is one of the rules-of-life I live by, now.
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From this day forth he will be known as Trumputin.
“The US” refers to the US government.
Nooooooo
There’s an Arabic saying that roughly translated goes something like this: Sins are wide and good deeds are narrow. The meaning is that when a large part of a group of people is sinful, just not being implicated in sin doesn’t protect you; you have to work to stop or you have no business trying to be excused from whatever punishment will come. In other words, you gotta work to stop the evil being done or you’re well within the moral blast radius. So… That’s what’s going on here; with this framework more than 99% of America is guilty.
I think the Dems are more guilty of being foolish, than of intentionally-accommodating “GEOTUS”…
Biden blocked Harris from campaigning until it was too-late, & … whatshername … Pelosi’s threat to destroy Biden’s campaign was the only thing which finally pried his hands off the opportunity…
They lived entirely-within Hopium.
They … mostly, or nearly-all, possibly-all, … aren’t going to survive the US Civil War Part2 which will erupt when it becomes enacted that there isn’t going to be any 2028 election, or sometime around then, anyways…
I don’t expect much of the population of this continent to survive the next decade…
& many have worked, hard, at preventing this…
The male-supremacists & the white-supremacists who voted against Harris, THEY are guilty, certainly…
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I mean, can’t we go back to the way that the Dems refused to see that Hillary was not popular, and how party leaders actively intervened to make sure that no one resembling an actual Dem (Bernie) got the nomination?
I think that’s really where the writing was on the wall - sabotage a popular candidate with the kind of populist support that we saw launch Trump into office, to platform someone who was probably one of the most hated women in America?
You could say that the first time Trump was elected. Not anymore.
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but theyve been firing everyone in the government. The government is being dismantled.
I meant the “America isn’t doing it” part. They certainly are.
You’re missing the point.
I don’t think I am.
Then you simply didn’t understand, or are refusing to understand.
Who voted for that? Or alternatively, who didn’t care enough to vote against it?
If I recall correctly, it’s about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia’s) financial system become the world standard…
It all comes down to money. It always does.
G7/G6/G8.
Who cares it’s a eurocentric club anyway.
G20 is the real global conference.
…and daughter for a good night yes?
…OK but only the tip and only for a minute…Melania! Get over here!
…no Mr Trump, I mean daughter. The pretty one.
… Okay fine, I’ll pull some strings. Probably dome G-strings. Okay, and you get us germanium?
… Yes Mr. Trump you may keep Germany
…No Mr Putin, you miss understood. We wa…
… You’ll get Germany yes. I’m sorry I have to go now. I make love to your daughter and then return. I’ll return next month. Bye!
Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6
Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse…
Unfortunately it’s likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can’t really establish a basis of trust.
By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you’re opening yourself up to more harm.
Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.
This isn’t going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who’re doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.
I am hoping that if the American dollar hyperinflates, Europe will blacklist billionaires and Muskcoin, instead only offering Euros for assets among non-billionaires. That will keep Europe insulated, and maybe allowing it to take a chunk of Red American flesh. They could also allow Blue States to swap dollars for Euros at a favorable rate for them, to rig the restructuring of America in the favor of non-fascists.
The Euro could become the Dollar of the future.
We don’t want educated Americans emmigrating elsewhere. We want you to fix your shit and educated Americans are the only ones that can do that.
If you leave, the idiots are left in charge of some of the spiciest military hardware and without smart people, will probably end up using it.
The voting public seem to be pretty susceptible to whatever spin the Orange House puts on the consequences of their actions.
Do you really believe they’ll see through what Trump does and blame themselves before blaming Canada, for example?
I’m a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.
If you think any fact will affect the American public, you are much more optimistic than me.
Republicans will blame Soros, o Pelosi, or AOC and trump will have even more support.
That’s assuming they even pay attention to anything international other than Ukraine or Israel (many don’t).
Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the ‘G6’ face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.
Agreed. We earned this. I hope we gain the world’s trust again, but it’ll most likely never be like it was…
Yeah, China’s not in even though it’s the second largest economy in the world. In the 90s it almost became G-8 to include Russia, but then Putin screwed that up.
It’s not all that different of a situation from Russia being kicked out because of Putin’s shenanigans, really.
Should try to get Brazil to leave BRICS and join the G-7 club. The US could go be in BRICS bullshit (or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?) with the other authoritarian assholes of the world.
or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?
SIRCUS
Let Trump and Putin have a G1.5. Do it. Make him look like a Russian stooge.
What do you mean “look like”?
Someone take that orange fuck out, please.
You are better than that. Don’t stoop to their level or you become like them.
If you can shoot Hitler in 1937, would you think it would be a bad idea?
Could you kill baby Hitler?
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Do you believe that we are in any kind of high-road position at this point in time?
I’ve always wondered why so many people peacefully marched into the trains, trucks, and death camps, then I see the sheer amount of people like you who say that and remember why. Maybe it’s a personality thing, some of us who are faced with annihalation vs annihalation with a fight, we choose the latter. Most people will just take annihalation peacefully out of fear or laziness.
Your words isn’t “action for change”. These are nothing but empty internet barks. Are you saying you’re ready to commit violence? I don’t think so. Too many barkers but in reality nobody are biters. So save the empty words. Fascism is right in your face. In your neighborhood. What are you doing about it?
It’s less about being ready to commit violence, and more like willing to die or lose all my freedoms for my beliefs. Tried doing things the peaceful, in-the-system way, working charities for blind people, deaf children, as well as various environmental causes. Got pretty high up in all of them, high up enough to learn that every roadblock to getting people medical aid, more blind people-friendly infastructure, cochlear implants for children, or utilizing cutting edge alternatives to oil and plastic using fruit waste and algae, every time it’s the millionaire/billionaire investor class that can’t see any profit incentive to helping people. I show up to pitifully occupy sidewalks regularly, I even take off work and take the financial hit if there are any demonstrations in my area. In August during the pogroms in the UK, I helped protect a mosque and got bricks thrown at me, hurt like a mofo but i’d take a million more. Helped nice young college girls get medical after getting bricks hurled at the heads and faces by fascists, meanwhile the cops did nothing but stand with their backs faced to the brick throwers, watching us get pelted with bricks and fireworks. None of this makes me even close to as radicalized as the fact that humans produce 3x the calories to feed every person on the planet yet we still charge money for food, and while there’s all these problems that need resources there’s $36 TRILLION sitting in offshore tax havens (as of 2016 according to the IMF).
I’m not willing to do violence, i’m willing to do anything even risk my life to stop them. I’d rather be smiling in front of a firing squad than peacefully obeying a soldier at gunpoint as he marches me to the camps. Perhaps you’re just not that guy.
Stop typing. Start doing. More action. Less typing keyboard warrior. My engagement with you ends here.
Biggest disappointment in the last year was that dufus missing his big fat head from only 150yds.
2". That’s all we needed. Even small hands Trump knows what two inches looks like, it’s basically nothing. So damn close.
Will nobody rid us of this turbulent golfer?
Will no one rid us of this turbulent p
riest?
But I couldn’t vote for Harris because that was a vote for genocide.
Coming from a country with ranked voting and more than 2 parties, this looks so ridiculous. It’s like the USA electoral system is designed to make people bicker amongst themselves about who is the lesser evil, while oligarchs take control.
What style of ranked voting does your country use?
Veritasium, on yt ( not a guy I recommend frequently ) has a vid on election-systems.
Approval-disapproval seems to be the sanest electing-system there is…
All the ranked-choice-systems logically have problems, though no-where near as bad as 1st-past-the-post idiocy.
Please, people, if you’re interested in the sanest voting-system possible, watch that video, & then organize to replace your system with the currently-best-option, which seems, from that vid, to be the approval/disapproval system.
( it makes the most-approved person win, and one can approve-of multiple different candidates, so the majority-of-voters get heard, no-matter-what, see? )
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I actually prefer the CGP grey videos on the different types of voting. But they are both very good at entry level understandings of the topics.
Seems like you understand it just fine then.
Yeah that was some really really stupid shit people were saying.
To be fair, most Americans do fall for things pretty easily when all they have to do is literally nothing
Humans in general. Tell people that “doing nothing” is the moral action and they’ll sure as fuck do nothing, because it’s the path of least resistance.
In maybe the most important race of this country’s history, Harris couldn’t bring herself to denounce genocide and war crimes like a decent human being and instead chose to support a corrupt, fascist foreign nation that more closely resembles Nazi Germany than another country today.
Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.
Party loyalists tut-tut at the voters and learn exactly nothing, yet again.
The non-voters voted in Trump who is trying to be more fascist and corrupt than the other country you’re alluding to.
Nah, the Democrats did that.
The democrats who voted surprisingly voted for Harris so I don’t know what you’re on about.
The Democrats politicians who didn’t put Trump away and refuses to let go of their billionaire money for the sake of most important election the US is facing yet are the ones who voted Trump in. Blaming the non-voters is just playing into the oligarch’s hand.
In our system the votes get counted to figure out who won so the non-voters said they are okay with what’s happening.
So the non-voters all have future sight and can already see that Trump will win? Maybe what they actually thought was that neither side will actually help them and they are not informed enough to know that Trump will win without their help, have you ever thought about that? Seems all you actually care about is helping the oligarchy, so maybe you don’t even care to think.
That’s some “are we the commies now” moment. Not really unexpected, but so much more blatent than I expected. It has all the subtlety and nuance of a wrecking ball covered with napalm hitting a fireworks warehouse.
Party-fascism & individual-faschism are both fundamentally the same, in their hatred-of-civil-rights, hatred-of-accountability, hatred-of-integrity, hatred-of-responsibility, etc…
The CCP’s as fascist with China as Putin is with Russia: it’s just individual-vs-group fascism, no other difference, fundamentally…
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Trump about to become the next victim of British Intelligence …
Russia Loving Republicans. Trump is a Russian asset. Treat the US government like an enemy.
The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?
Just doublechecking my premises, there’s this from Investopedia:
The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world’s largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis…
Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.
G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)
Replace the US with China
What? Hell no! The Orange KGB agent and Leon Hitler want the US to be like China.
Even better, South Korea
That would piss them off so much lol
It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.
If China’s willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.
China would have to do a whole lot more than just “not support russia”. As a starter, they’d need to start being transparent, honest, and not censor the ever loving shit out of all information from their country. Then they could stop genociding minorities.
I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China’s goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.
That’s definitely true, and the thought has crossed my mind before.
Anything an European company manages to sell in China is going to be a huge boost too. It’s the damn IP laws that are a pain to work with, though. A Chinese company perfectly clones your product? Well, you’re not going to win if you sue them.
China is as a bad faith actor if not worse than the US. And that’s saying something. Moreover, they are threatening another democracy (Taiwan) while being a dictatorship. What would be the EU stance in case of aggression? Ukraine being invaded is bad, but Taiwan is fine? That would be hypocrisy at it’s worst
Replace fascism with… checks notes again… fascism…
What?
The G6 should incorporate Ukraine, Taiwan, and Panama. Then extend a treaty of friendship to Blue States within America. America clearly has no (good) future, and the world will change because of it. Might as well make the most of it.
I’d love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.
Same reason the US helps Israel?
The US-Israel alliance has been a disgusting and embarrassing debacle
The US helps Israel because they like the US more than the rest of the middle east and the US wants control of the middle east so Iran doesn’t control it as a proxy for Russia.
So the US supports Isreal to hurt Russian interests. And is now diverting all Ukraine funds to Isreal to waste the money.
Under Biden we were on track to steal Palestine as a reaction to Putin stealing parts of Ukraine.
Now that Putin has Ukraine he doesn’t care about distracting the US through Iran and is fine having his puppet Trump keep sending their tax dollars to Isreal.
But since Trump is giving up Ukraine it is more of a trade where the US trades control of Ukraine for control of Palestine.
The US has already had control over Palestine through Israel for decades.
Hey, guy, do you need a tissue? You have a little cum on your face.
Fuck this fucking orange clown. Jesus goddamn fucking Christ.
