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    Fetterman really is a mixed bag, and to be honest, I kind of like that. Life should be full of nuanced characters, I shouldn’t have to decide between the same cookie cutter pieces of shit we have every election.

    He’s a piece of shit for supporting Israel so staunchly, don’t get me wrong, but there’s also plenty to like about him.

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    If anyone cares to read “Project 2025,” it’s a blueprint for creating a Judge Dredd universe, where the only people still living in it will be the Super Rich and the Super F*cking Poor.

    That’s a bad thing, by the way.

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      He also shares a very large portion of the core beliefs of the old Republican party. In the 1960s he would’ve likely been considered center right.

      It’s crazy that endorsing medicare and social support structures makes him a Democrat now.

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        It’s not crazy, it’s intentional. Poor education combined with the lack of social structure creates a voting population ripe with anger over the shitty system and looking to blame someone instead of learn why it’s like that.

        Conservative media is specially made to take uneducated and rage blind voters and churn out Republican candidates who pretty much only hold office because of manufactured spite towards democrats.

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          This is a ridiculous viewpoint, the Democrats are a center right party. Here in Canada they would be considered conservative.

          He supports healthcare and workers’ rights, he’s a Democrat.

          Or at this point the Republicans are so cracked that straight up “if he doesn’t support Project 2025, he’s a Democrat”

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            No he literally had a stroke, had brain damage, and stopped being a progressive. I’m not talking figuratively here or being like “hurr durr non-progressives are brain damaged”, the stroke figuratively turned him into a different person, he became significantly more conservative.

            Which really is a shitty situation all around, it’s really unfortunate.

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            He’s referring to:

            The liberal comedian then asked Fetterman whether his shift in various policies had anything to do with his recovery from his 2022 stroke, asking if > his near-death experience had given him a “freedom.”

            “Absolutely,” Fetterman responded. “There’s a line from the first ‘Batman,’ Joker’s like ‘I’ve been dead once already. It’s very liberating.'”

            “It’s freeing in a way. And I just think after beating all of that, I just really [want to] be able to say the things that I have to really believe in and not be > afraid of if there’s any kind of blowback.”

            Notably:

            Some of the most progressive and left parts of the Democratic Party are standing for the kind of side that have kinds of organizations like Hamas

            He basically broadly cast Palestinians as "because Hamas is among them, they earned their situation.

            So nominally Democrat, but he’s been called “Republican’s favorite Democrat” and has been espousing some more right wing sentiment this year particularly.

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              Brain damage from a stroke is well known to possibly cause major shifts in personality and beliefs too

              Dude went from calling himself a progressive at every opportunity pre-stroke, to going on a rant about why he has no idea why anyone would think he was a progressive and how angry it makes him

              Being confused about things and responding with belligerence is also normal following things like strokes or the normal effects of aging.

              All this shit is logical, except where we pretend they’re normal and the same as elected.

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            I don’t pay attention to american individual politicians as much but maybe he’d be a red Tory? Morneau was a grit cabinet minister and he’s solidly centre right, LPC tends to be neolib

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    It’s a shame he went full Zionist over donor money.

    But Project 2025 is just basic conservatism. It is a wishlist that should shock no one for existing because it’s pretty much verbatim what right wingers have demanded since pretty much ever.

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      And it’s not like it’s trump specific.

      They’ve wanted to do this shit longer than even Biden has been alive.

      If trump dropped dead right now, the replacement would do the same stuff. Whatever republican running in 2036 will still want to finish up what hasn’t been done yet.

      trump is a symptom, he might be the symptom that kills us, but just removing trump doesn’t solve the underlying problem.

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      I’m inclined to think that his brain damage was the root cause (which led to accepting the bribes donations) - the timing was right, and only the brain-damaged would be Zionist at this point.

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      Just because someone with access to intelligence doesn’t believe that what’s happening in Gaza amounts to genocide does not mean that they are some religious fanatic zionist.

      You realize virtually everyone in Washington agrees with Fetterman about what’s happening in Gaza? You realize most Western democracies, their heads of state, along with their state and national security apparatuses, all agree that there is no genocide happening in Gaza?

      Maybe you simply have the calculus wrong? Have you considered that possibility?

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          Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a paid operative.

          I guess all their heads of state, displomats, intelligence, and national security wonks who disagree with you are also all being paid by some global cabal of Jews that you have imagined.

          Yes, block me, and go further into your echo chamber of self delusion.

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        Because 40 thousand dead out of a population of millions equates to genocide. The number includes the savage Hamas terrorists you love so much as well. Maybe you just simply don’t understand the calculus or what a genocide truly is. Thank Israel they don’t show you.

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          Bald death tolls say nothing of whether or not something fits the statutory definition of genocide. People die in wars. Innocent people die in wars.

          Hamas started a war on behalf of all these victims that they could not possibly win. The de facto government refuses to surrender or release hostages. They refuse to wear uniforms. They employ child soldiers. They build tunnels under dense population centers to use the population at large as human shields. They refuse to let their own families evacuate. They pay people to die as “martyrs.” That’s why there are 40,000 out of 5,000,000 Palestinians dead, 0.8%.

          That death toll, in these circumstances, is not evidence of genocide, it is actually evidence that Israel is pretty careful and actually not trying to kill civilians. Any other Army in that region of the world would have murdered every man woman and child in Gaza after about the tenth suicide bombing, forty odd years ago. It’s 40,000 out of 5 million in the face of the fact that Israel could easily turn all of Gaza and all of the West Bank into a sheet of glass in three hours, and have not done so. They could have let no food or water into the country, no medicine into the country. But they have not done so. Rather, they have been consistently ramping up their capacity to inspect shipments going into Gaza since the war broke out. They could have not evacuated anyone. They could have not called anyone on the phone, they could have sent zero text messages, instead of the millions and millions of phone calls and texts that they’ve sent. These facts, obviously none of which are reported in the Qatari media you no doubt have been gorging on, fly in the face of your bullshit reasoning.

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            Then you have to wonder if the Palestine state will install another government similar to Hamas when Hamas is eradicated. As well it’s not true Hamas started this war on behalf of all the victims because the majority of Palestine voted in Hamas which ran on a destroy Israel agenda. It means the majority of the victims would have supported this war. Was their lives truly that bad if they are able to have and feed millions of children? That they were desperate to start this war? It does not make sense. There are western countries struggling to have more kids than older people and they were thriving.

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              I don’t wonder that. They aren’t able to feed millions and haven’t been since I’ve been alive. The only thing stopping Gaza from a calamitous famine has been and remains western charity. Gaza does not literally have the tools, resources, or skilled people needed to govern itself, or even to physically rebuild itself.

              What I do wonder is, if the people of Gaza had to bear the actual price of its antisemitic terrorism–which has left it completely isolated, except from other far right religious dictatorships–would the people there allow Hamas to exist?

              They only tolerate it, I believe, because they know no hope. It’s been so long since anyone there thrived, the only thing they have to celebrate is death and killing, martyrdom and terrorism. Hopeless as they may be right now, as you pointed out, they are, relatively, fed.

              Ironically it’s in large part the charity that keeps this system in place.

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        Everyone has bad days. It’s been a while since Fetterman has done an interview. He’s been busy performing the duties of his office.

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    Wtf did I just read? This is what counts as journalism?

    “How about Biden?”

    “Oh yeah? How about project 25? Donald Trump likes it”

    “Dominion lawsuit cost fox a lot of money”

    “Wow.”

    …JFC what was that?

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      About the same time Fettermen stopped saying he was a progressive and started getting visibly confused and angry when people called him a progressive, his ability to speak coherently and use critical thinking also disappeared…

      Total coincidence it was after a major stroke…

      But since he also became a shit ton more conservative, the moderate wing of the party is trying to pump him up as an alternative to The Squad.

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    The part where he mentions “project 25” is basically an attempt by Fetterman to get out of the confusing word salad he was in. Dude is doing a Biden impersonation during that section of the interview.

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          Literally in the news the other day about some ex-florida cop who moved to moscow to oversea Russia’s fake news operations by using AI to generate fake news stories on websites looking like local newspapers and shit across the country using names of old defunct newspapers or names similar to current ones.

          Like the fake story about the first lady of ukraine buying a bugatti using US military aid money.

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            This is my surprised face 👁️👁️

            Edit: Damn, these eyes looked less excited on mobile

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        Hey friend, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, the Democrat’s whole “war on disinformation” thing that is really just a way to suppress views they don’t like, including left/progressive views, is going to backfire in a major way. If you actually care about your political project you may want to find a way to defend it that doesn’t involve calling everyone you disagree with a “bot”.

        If you really believe that the person you are responding to is a bot, they are probably just a young person who subscribes to left wing meme pages that make these kind of jokes all the time. Dehumanizing your political enemies is a tendency of the worst political movements, not the most just. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the hundreds of millions of campaign dollars being spent to reelect Biden were being spent on “social media consultants” who go in progressive liberal spaces such as Lemmy, calling people with left-critical views “bots”; not saying it is definitely happening, but there is a ton of precedent.

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            Did you check their post history beforehand? If not you may want to reassess your own perspective. Even if you are correct, there is nothing wrong with what I said except the bit about being a kid young person. The user is def putting work in, but there are people who are upset at the Democrats, and voice those negative opinions more. You probably don’t have many IRL political discussions if you don’t think real people can over emphasize and fixate on certain political forces regardless of what is actually going on. There is a severe lack of political education, and this is one of the side effects; but it doesn’t occur to you to educate.

            If the Democrats fuck this up and lose to Trump, as much as certain people will want to blame it on Russian bots, no small part of that outcome will be a consequence of running a severely impaired incumbent against the existential danger of a second Trump term. And if that happens, the Democrats are done. And as much as I’d like to see the progressive wing of the Democrats form a legitimate worker’s party that could mobilize many disaffected and alienated voters, it won’t be worth it if they all end up getting jailed or murdered by the MAGA neo-freicorps.

            Regardless, the war on information is going to end up hurting working people. People are tired of getting vote shamed 24/7, and being brow-beaten to ignore their apprehension. If liberals engaged with criticism and educated voters instead of shutting down all dissent with paranoid conspiracy theories (even if they are partly true), then people wouldn’t be driven to the kind of echo chambers where these opinions thrive.

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              This kid is 54 and has been fighting against capitalism and it’s mouthpieces their whole life, coming from several generations doing the same thing.

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                  I’m actually in the streets, what are you doing? Placing a useless vote every four years and feeling accomplished?

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                I didn’t mean any disrespect. Just trying to provide some context to the “everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian bot” crowd. In my experience most people who subscribe to radical politics are younger, since I’m twice the age as probably half of the people I organize with, but I do have a few comrades and fellow travellers in the 50+ demo. However I usually don’t use the term “kid”, preferring the less dismissive " young person" but I guess old habits die hard. I’ll go back and make an edit

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            Nearly all of them are against anybody affiliated as a Democrat, why do they not say the same things about any Republicans? Anybody who legitimately hates Biden/DNC and is only expressing that opinion will also happily post negative things about Republicans too

            • there’s no need to attack Republicans, unlike Democrats, they carry their bigotry and racism on their shoulders for all to see, liberals are covert in theirs, masquerading as allies to the marginalized while simultaneously throwing them under the bus.

            Day after day, hour after hour of nothing but political comments and posts

            • What else would someone using the name anticolianialist talk about other than the political?

            • BlueMAGA isnt something new, maybe new to you, but it’s been around a long time.

            • Multiple studies have shown voters have zero impact on elections or policy, only the donor class has that power. When someone like Musk has more political sway than millions of voters there is no democracy, only the illusion of one. 50 years of ‘lesser evil’ has reduced the best options for President to 2 old senile pedos. An evil that’s grown so large their party has lost control of it.

            When Trump does get into office it will be the result of the DNC refusing to primary a candidate theyve known for years to be mentally declining, and voter suppression being enacted by liberals demanding everyone vote for them or its a wasted vote. There’s a better chance of you voting for trump than any of us voting for your mentally deficient right wing POS.