We are still protesting?
Neoliberal good cop/fascist bad cop was always a race to the bottom. This was inevitable so long as we fail to cut the capitalists down to size, and both parties are paid to defend their con game from us by stoking social issue division to stop the peasants from looking up at the oligarchs, our common enemies whether you’ve been brainwashed into worshipping them or not.
I voted for Harris out of attempted harm reduction as I do like clockwork for the lesser evil, but voting Neoliberal only slowed the sinking, it was never going to make things better, just worse a little slower as the Neoliberals kept meeting their opposition in the new middle every cycle to keep up with the market’s demands for new, crueler ways to privately profit off human misery both parties are paid to defend and expand. A vote for continued quiet capitalist slaughter over loud, bragging capitalist slaughter. Not peace. Under Harris, healthcare rackets would still be murdering Americans legally, homeless Americans would still be dying in droves literally as a point to keep the laborers fearful as it would be cheaper to house them then deal with the fallout of them being homeless, etc.
But by all means keep the focus of your ire on the people who had nothing to vote for, only against for the last half century. You’re basically attacking the silent cowards in 1930 Germany and not the Nazis.
There are only 2 ways this ends, either the Mario’s brother method, or capitalist enforced climate change will collapse the capitalist’s con game and human civilization for us if humanity is too chickenshit to depose the economic metastasis, growth
orand die capitalist cult and embrace economic equilibrium with environmental homeostasis. The parties are captured. No amount of voting will fix this. Reagan and Kemp saw to that when they captured their opposition. The last vote Americans had on the shape and priorities of our inhuman economy was in 1980, we only get a vote on how to address the social wedge symptoms of it, and only if addressing those symptoms won’t meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.Whether it was Trump in 2020, this, or one of his mutant children in another 4 years, our tolerance and worship of greed was going to lead to this. Maga, Trump’s rise as more than a gameshow host con-man, and imperialism are symptoms of our avarice rot induced collapse, not the causes. The cause are the capital markets being allowed to infect our politics and override any societal values we ever had prior to other than metastasize at all human cost.
Fully agree. There are exactly two options for people at this point: fully capitulate and gargle fascist balls (this hastens world death), or kill fascist scum at every opportunity (this may slow world death if done with enough gusto)
They are no longer getting paid by republican PACs trying to foment dissent
Fediverse is fucking glowing
Those same folks where never going to support anything regardless. Biden is too old! Genocide Joe! Trump will fix it! Nothing but bullshit all the way down.
We do. If we couldn’t convince fucking Biden why do you think Trump is gonna care
I’m seeing ton of leftists post about it on the good parts of Lemmy like hexbear. Don’t know why libs don’t care about genocide 🤷
Nah, tankies only care about Gaza to dunk on the west. You don’t care about the suffering. Fuck Israel btw.
Tell me in so many words why Russia was forced into a genocidal war again.
Literally today. Just because you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle, doesn’t suddenly make it stop. The same groups who were protesting the genocide when it was happening under Biden are still out there protesting.
I can’t help but feel like the Dems end goal with this kinda bullshit is to try and manufacture this idea that leftist outrage over Gaza is entirely fabricated. We couldn’t really care about brown people, we must have made up a bunch of nasty lies to make Kamala Harris look bad! It’s really self-telling that they can’t imagine genocide would be a bridge too far.
It matters if lay people are aware. I think the post is a useful signal that awareness of the issue is getting drowned out by everything else falling apart.
I think we just thought it was pretty silly of them to think Trump was gonna be better.
Pretty much no one thought he’d be better, more like not worse in a meaningful way. Obviously saying the US is going to turn Gaza into a resort is worse than not saying that, but that distinction is pretty unimportant to everyone who would be killed or driven out under a democratic president anyway. The end goal has always been to fully settle Palestine, what exact form that takes or whether the US funds it with a smile or a frown doesn’t change that.
Pretty much everyone thought he would be much worse, and that’s what we’ve got.
Worse in general or just in regard to Palestine? Obviously he’s so much worse in general, which is why I did vote for Harris. But specifically on the issue of Palestine no matter what the genocide wasn’t stopping, the Biden admin made it pretty clear there wasn’t actually a red line Israel could cross that would end the supply of weapons, considering every one they did make was blown past with no consequences. And Harris repeatedly signified that wouldn’t have changed.
But it’s also not productive to try and assign blame to people who didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, though. The problem isn’t that people didn’t want to vote for the conservative party instead of the fascist party, its that we only had those 2 options to pick from. Obviously one of them was less harmful overall, but that doesn’t make them meaningfully better for Palestine, or even a good/appealing choice. Our entire political system was built to represent slaveowners and rich white men, and that’s so deeply ingrained into every aspect of its design that there’s no way to move away from those roots from within the system. Even if Trump lost this time, what’s stopping him from running again? Or the next version of him? Or what about the continued corporate capture of the government and both parties? None of those can just be voted away, and placing responsibility for fixing things entirely on voting just wastes time that would be better spent organizing while they continue to fester and grow.
We correctly thought Trump would be worse in regard to Palestine, e.g. with things like supporting forced removal/ethnic cleansing like he did yesterday.
Like I said, coming out and saying he supports the forced removal of Palestinians is awful, and neither Biden or Harris would have done that obviously. It seems pretty obvious neither of them are actually happy with Israel. But whether the US president is happy about it or not, lsraels end goal is and always has been ethnic cleansing either way. So while it is worse to express support for that goal than to express disapproval, as long as the US keeps up the supply of weapons - which we will almost assuredly do no matter what, Trump or otherwise - then to all the people being ethnically cleansed it doesn’t mean anything. The Biden administration has been expressing support for this since at least 2023, via its actions rather than words. That’s what people mean by Trump not being meaningfully worse for Palestine. Not that he isn’t worse than Biden or Harris, but that the ways in which he is worse on this specific issue don’t matter to the people who are actively the targets of the genocide. If you’re being bombed by US funded weapons then who gives a shit what the person approving those weapons says about it, they sent them either way.
I don’t think the dems care about leftists it’s other leftists who are saying yous have been had.
If you seriously think the Dems haven’t been spending every day since they lost the election punching left, I’ve a bridge to sell you.
Examples? Top posts of the past month for r/politics there’s literally nothing. Got bored scrolling.
you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle
Beggaring the question is bad-faith.
Making posts asking why something that’s literally happening and being reported in the news isn’t happening is also bad faith so…
Why aren’t you with them?
It’s just not being covered.
Attention is everything, folks. Palestine protestors could be mowed down on Capitol Hill, and if its blotted out by everyone’s feeds… Well, it hardly even matters, it terms of policy and public opinion.
Welcome to why Trump is firehosing all these executive orders. Give nobody time to focus on anything, keep everyone fragmented and squabbling over where to focus…
Yeah I’m sure that’s it, you nailed it. It turns out that everyone that disagreed with you last year was actually a secret Russian agent. It’s definitely not that primaries and the run up to the presidential election are unique opportunities to push the Democratic candidates father left. Who knew?!
Wtf are you talking about? Free Palestine protesters are still actively organizing their communities and providing support where they can. The same groups are literally still staging actions and fighting for the freedom, liberatation, and survival of Palestinian people at home and abroad. Who do you think you’re clowning on with this meme? The people fighting against genocide didnt just give up because we have a new worse president.
They’re literally at the White House as we speak lol…
The real question is why is OP still supporting a genocide now that it’s trump in office and not Biden.
Like, it apparently wasn’t about blind loyalty to Biden, they just authentically support genocide.
Rather alarming number of people I’ve encountered in the UK have a view something like “it’s horrible, but they brought it on themselves”. These don’t seem to be straightforward horrible people. As they would also say the Holocaust and Armenia and Rwanda (etc) were evil.
“I started ignoring the pro-Palestinians because I decided I don’t care anymore. Where did all the pro-Palestinians go?” -OP
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The people “fighting against genocide” in exactly one place in the world and no others played a not insignificant role in why we have a new worse president in the first place.
Blame the people who support genocide, not those who oppose it. jfc libs.
in exactly one place in the world and no others
Where else are you and the USA supporting genocide?
We are. Your options were genocide and uber genocide.
When there are exactly two options before you, and one of them will be selected, and neither one is perfect, and you spend all your effort bitching about the least bad choice, you’re helping get the most bad choice selected.
Good work.
Despite what you may have been led to believe, anti-genocide groups have never spent “all their effort” on electoral politics. You’re choosing to spend your time right now bitching about those fighting oppression rather than joining the fight.
Good work.
Most Palestine spaces banned anyone who explained why Trump was objectively worse so yes, the ones who created those echo chambers and participated spreading those narratives to the wider population deserve to be called on it.
How many comments have you made about what China is doing to the Uighurs?
In addition to the other replies, there’s also quite a large difference between the actions of a foreign government doing something our current government already considers human rights abuse and the actions of a foreign government defended by our own, carried out with weapons manufactured and supplied by us, and where any criticism or protest of said support is categorized by nearly every politician as either antisemitism or tacit support of republican extremism. Both are genocide, but trying to protest the actions of the Chinese government as a US citizen in the US is pretty pointless, it’s better to focus efforts where it has a more direct impact. You don’t need to evenly split your attention between every single issue in order to be allowed to talk about any of them.
I align with what Twiddle is saying and as for me, plenty, across multiple platforms. Genocide is bad whether you choose to pay attention or not. Thank you for asking!
I’m an anarchist not a tankie thank you. Typical lib behaviour to assume though. Very helpful to your case.
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America and the west is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/1/28/students-protest-settlement-standards/
It’s still happening, just not getting anywhere close to the level of coverage it was during the election. Because back in October the big US media companies were trying to paint Biden, Harris, Walz, and the entire Democrat party as being much worse than Trump would be for Palestine. I didn’t see much coverage of Trump’s relationship with Netanhyahu or looking back at what happened in 2017-2020 back the either.
Now that Trump has won there’s no point in stoking any unrest. He’s instead cracking down on protests and cancelling the visas of foreign students who are caught protesting.
They didn’t go anywhere, but the media now doesn’t need to paint the current admin as “the bad guys” by highlighting the protest groups, so they are not getting the same amount of screen time.
Now the playbook is to make it look like everyone agrees with the governments stance, so quash the protests, ignore their efforts, arrest the instigators.
This is most of it. And there’s obviously some sock puppet stuff too, but the Lemmy community is so small they probably never targeted it. But mostly it’s because getting coalitions to infight has always benefited the people who took power a few weeks ago. Now they have nothing more to gain by promoting it and everything to lose by making people think it’s still a problem. So…
Why aren’t y’all as vocal about an ongoing genocide as you are about a completely failed candidate from months ago?
Looks like outside the White House today…
Why are people still shitting on the people protesting genocide now that Biden isn’t in charge?
I thought it was blind loyalty to the letter D, but if that was the case you’d be against genocide now…
“I closed my eyes, why can’t I see anything?” -OP
