is this where i say that we should cal him “Whee Rogan The Little” ?
using WRTL as an abbreviation is permitted and encouraged.
Is that pronounced “wertle”? Is so I love it.
The word should be exclusively used to refer to Joe Rogan from now on
I’m down for that
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I don’t know where we got this idea that “retarded” was as vile and pernicious as The Hard R, to the point people don’t want to repeat it. Nobody with intellectual disabilities I’ve heard from has such a visceral reaction to it, anecdotal as that is. The outrage seems completely invented and it gained a momentum of its own.
“Idiot” was also a medical term for cognitive disability, should that go away too?
99% of the time I hear it used, it’s interchangeable with “stupid” or “idiot” and not derogatory towards literal disability.
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Those people might be a little retarded
Only a little?
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I have autism and the word is deeply offensive to me. For all of my young life, it was used as a cudgel to single me out and beat me into social submission. It was used to remind me of my place in the social hierarchy (lower than non-retards, obviously) and as a reason for excluding me or treating me differently from everyone else. It’s just as anecdotal as anything else, but I have many neurodivergent friends and family members with similar histories with the word.
Not seeing the problem with something does not mean there isn’t a problem. In this case, it just means that the problem is not particularly relevant to your own life.
And I don’t know why “idiot” doesn’t have the same sting or modern context around it, but despite its historical use, it simply doesn’t hit the same. I guess it could be that it’s not used so explicitly to identify neurodivegence, so much as it is a way of saying someone didn’t/doesn’t think things through, whereas using “retard” is more like insulting someone’s genetic pull. One label can be unlearned, while the other is a life-sentence. Once retarded; forever a retard.
If the n-word was used to describe people acting stupid would you feel comfortable with that? What if no black people complained about it? Would that make it okay? The degree of severity is clearly different because of the historical context, but it is basically the same thing for a different community. A community that, oftentimes, has far less ability to advocate for themselves and far less ability to mobilize en masse. It’s a word that inherently punches down, and using it does shape the perception of our community as well as just hurt our feelings because we are people that can feel and understand when we are being treated differently.
My b for that rant. It’s just fucked up that people act like getting punched in the kidney doesn’t hurt just because they’ve never been punched in the kidney before. That’s not how it works, and if there was a specific word for denigrating you (“you” as in whoever is reading this tbc) I’m sure many people like you would not like being reminded of what negative bullshit the world at large assumes about them based on something they had no control over. Shit fucking sucks, fullstop.
The r word is definitely not used exclusively to identify neurodivergent or disabled people.
If the n-word was used to describe people acting stupid would you feel comfortable with that? What if no black people complained about it? Would that make it okay?
it depends on how far back you go with this one, if you were to remove the racial pretense from it entirely yeah it would probably be fine.
But if you just sort of retconned it in like 1970 through timetravel or something, i mean it would also be fine because nobody would know what it previously was, but hypothetically that wouldn’t be ok, because it’s historical roots are the same.
Its the history and usage of the word that matters. Given enough time, the n word will probably lose it’s vile status and become more casual. Like every other word before it.
And MAGA as a whole are retarded.
The biggest retards of all
Very bigly.
The biggest retards of all, people call me and they say “can you believe how many big retards we have?” And I say “no,” I mean it folks, you are the biggest retards of all, believe me. My uncle was nuclear it’s all computer"
You can’t say retard anymore. You have to say autistic. Somehow that’s okay now.
Autistic isn’t really a general purpose slur tho. It’s not even really an slur. That shit is specialized use only.
Using autistic as an insult, the same way Joe Rogan wants to use the aforementioned slur, is absolutely not okay.
I see the humor and the word being used as such on videos all over with the comments being positive. It’s not what I do, it’s what I see.
I mean, using it as an uninformed general insult is absolutely bigotry, but 99% of the time when I hear it used as a pejorative against specific behavior, it’s always used for behavior that is… well… kinda’ autistic by definition. Like the behavior would be cited by a psych as evidence for being autistic.
Does that make it OK to use for every concerning behavior? Certainly not. Though in my experience it’s used more as a direct clue that someone is behaving very abnormally and may want to introspect.
… Though that said, I don’t hang out with teenagers or immature twats, so maybe they’re slinging it around like 2000’s teenagers slung around “gay” as an insult…
I am retarded and I agree. The word has never left my vocabulary. People have been calling me retarded as long as I can remember. I’ve got the pass and I give all of you the pass. It’s just word. People have called me far worse and many of my closest friends and family who would take a bullet for me call me retarded all the time. Just like I call all of them retarded whenever they do or say something retarded.
In the wise words of the Black Eyed Peas: “let’s get retarded in here.”
we’re all a little retarded at the end of the day, if you squint hard enough, it might even be pretty retarded. Because there isn’t anything to see, it’s a metaphor.
Anyway, this joke has overstayed it’s welcome, i will be on my way now.
I just hate that they deleted my comments and told ME it’s a slur I need to be upset about.
I ain’t upset about “retard” being used against me or others.
The .world admins can kiss my ass.
Oh wait I gotta be careful. Don’t want the retarded admins banning me for using my own words.
Sincerely,
your friendly neighborhood retard.
yeah, ultimately the only thing worse than unbridled bigotry, is misplaced accusations of bigotry. That’s one of the unfortunate things with this problem, and similar ones like it, is that unless you judge it by the character of the context, it can be really wide sweeping sometimes.
anyway, i hope you have a swell day fren :)
You too fren.
TBH kinda with you here, is it just the relatively recent proximity of the use of the word to refer those with intellectual disabilities?
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I actually looked this up and found a timeline, which shows the use is much more recent in medical contexts than I thought, Rosa’s Law 2010 is where it’s use was superceded in federal usage.
I honestly thought it was a kinda 50s to 70s kinda deal, not 70s - 2010; this does change my perspective and opinion a little bit, and I do feel a bit more sympathy as of how it’s still very much within living memory for some.
At the same time, I wonder whether those who take issue with it being used casually (not in reference to intellectual disability), take the same issue with the use of idiot, moron or imbecile, as retarded was used because those terms became common place and slang, not exclusively medical words.
I think that once the cat is out of the bag, (and the fact that both the medical society, and general society has moved past a single catch all term for intellectual disability) you can’t really keep a word from developing it’s own life.
I will note, my opinion doesn’t hold any real weight here, as I’m the UK we never had AFAIK a diagnosis of “Mental retardation”
I’ve never met anyone with this disability as vile, hateful, violent, or senseless as any of them. And that’s saying something because once one beat me up on the playground.
It must be nice to have so much money and freedom from consequences that that’s the kind of thing that bothers you.
I’m absolutely convinced that there’s a certain threshold of money/power/privilege that just destroys a person’s humanity.
Nah, you’ve got it backwards. You don’t pursue that level of money/power/privilege unless you lack humanity. These guys were always shit, but power made them more effective at being shit.
Or such little money and brain cells that that’s the thing that inspires you to go out and vote against your own interests
Honestly, if the culture war has been going on this long and the “greatest victory” they can show for it is feeling comfortable using the r slur again, thats just deeply sad for them lol.
The lefts incessant battle about words and PR policing has been part of the reason we keep losing elections.
It’s such an easy way to drive the casual person away, when you are constantly switching definitions and trying to trip people up to call them assholes, because they didn’t immediately agree with you about switching the definition of a word.
They are such nonsense issues but they are fantastic at dividing left from right, and even splintering the left itself.
It honestly feels like some right wing think tank tried to come up with a way to undermine the message and credibility of the left, by having them fight word battles all day long. And oh boy has it worked.
Guys, let’s cater the leftist movement to coddle centrist and conservative snowflakes otherwise we’re pushing them away
You realize we’ve lost all three branches and have basically lost every position that matters? Women are worse off, Trans people are worse off, colored people are worse off. The lack of self reflection is staggering.
Note also that I never mention any specific word, yet you’re going off like some lunatic white knighter.
That is the problem. Not only are people bickering about words, they are bickering about whether we should be bickering…
I’m… “going off”? Get real. Some people don’t like a word. Not a big deal for you? Then stay out of it. You literally started the bickering.
you can do the exact thing you want to do, without having to police specific word usage, it’s misdirected focus, that’s the problem.
If someone thinks “I have leftist ideals but I can’t say retard and people online hurt my feelings over it. I’m voting MAGA,” then they don’t have leftist ideals.
As far as I know, policing specific word usage has never been a large focus. It’s a side conversation. People are able to have side conversations without losing focus.
i think the biggest problem is that it’s a less effective use of time, you could spend that time on something more productive, like building a better community, or improving support for marginalized groups, but no we’re hear yelling about joe rogan being stupid instead.
At the end of the day, i just don’t think it’s very productive.
Says the person vehemently going through this thread defending the use of the word retard for the past thirty minutes. Why don’t you lead by example, then?
i’m not an example lmao, i’m a retard on the internet. If i was leading by example i would be a successful politician, not here yapping with people.
Then you’re talking out of your ass and you should stop telling us what is and isn’t a waste of time
i think there’s some nuance and intent definitely matters however i still think it’s something you would avoid saying, it’s like half a dozen words
I feel like it shouldn’t be political to not use hate speech
is retard classified as hate speech under the US federal government?
Is anything classified as hate speech? I though it was subjective for the most part
yes? Legally hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so by definition something must be classified as hate speech, racism for example. Generally hate speech. I don’t know if this word specifically would be.
I guess you could subjectively classify it as hate speech, but there is a lot of hateful speech out there, so that might get redundant pretty quick.
Nobody is arguing to change the definition of words. We’re just saying you’re an asshole for insisting on using them.
It is your persistence is completely missing the point that produces so much infighting. So… are you a fool who constantly misses the point? Or do you say this BS in an attempt to persist the infighting? Either way, rather shamefully low level of thought you’re putting in to this…
It’s very similar to some cointelpro strategies for derailing leftist meetings by trying to drag out processes and procedures. I guess that doesn’t work forever though because processes can get refined in ways to minimize disruption and mitigate the effects of bad faith behavior, and also there are a lot fewer leftist organizations with procedures that can be abused. But there are leftist discussion spaces, and those can still be derailed and made alienating with language games.
How about it’s just in poor taste to use it and its use probably says more about the user than the target?
And, if you use it, just be prepared for someone to take exception to you using it and you might just trigger yourself an ass beating or some other adverse consequence. Kind of like playing with fire crackers or bullet ants. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a better way to insult someone that’s a little more clever and incisive and makes you look like less of an ignorant asshole.
I couldn’t agree more! South Park is funnier with the beeps for a very good reason. Creatively stepping around saying offensive things is usually way funnier and more interesting.
They can’t afford to expend the mental energy overhead required. Their mental bandwidth is constrained enough as it is.
I make an exception for using it against these snowflakes. If they’re not supposed to be tarded in the literal sense, it makes more than perfect sense to call them it. They’re doing it to themselves, and when one can choose not to wear the robes of a bigotted moron, it’s more then fair to use harsh words against them.
… and if you say we should be kind to these ilk of humanity… I ask you; where does the line for self defense begin? When someone would gladly stab you in the back, it is distinctly not time to extend them the honor of actual humanity.
… and if you say we should be kind to these ilk of humanity… I ask you; where does the line for self defense begin? When someone would gladly stab you in the back, it is distinctly not time to extend them the honor of actual humanity.
i can’t think of a single description that would fit these people, other than the definition of retarded. It’s literally a perfect fit.
In my book, if someone says their a fan of Joe Rogan or they quote him, they’re dead to me.
Seems fair to me. I wish I lived in a world where the only platform he’d find is a street corner where no listens to his ranting.
Sometimes my pedantry can’t help itself, but the "their"s you used should have been "they’re"s
what drinking too much donkey juice does to the brain
I’ll bet he doesn’t even have a certificate that says he doesn’t have donkey brains
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As the saying goes:
Don’t mock bacteria, it’s the only culture some people have
slam
SLAAAAAAAAM
journalism!!!
The only way I’d be ok with Rogan using that term is if he publicly discloses the results of an IQ test and he got sub 70…
And even then, it would only be ok if he was self identifying as that label, not calling anyone he can’t understand that.
Ironically, retard was originally a kinder word cooked up to describe people with lower intelligence, along with moron, idiot, cretin, and imbecile. Over time these became pejoratives. Just kind of interesting to see how language develops and terms intended to avoid offense over time turn into ones that offend people.
Can all newspapers, when writing about Rogan, now use the term “Noted r-word, Joe Rogan…”
