“A-are we the baddies?”
I can’t get inside the head of any of the crazies who go on a rampage and shoot up a school or a house of worship, but it gives me comfort to think that such people now know that if they shoot a CEO instead of a classroom full of children they will be regarded as having made a positive contribution to society. I really hope school shootings will go down after this, and I think they may well.
I know a school shooting up which wouldn’t be a huge crime. Back then, that is. Now I can’t be certain.
US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia. Bring back the tax brackets from the 1950’s and 60’s.
It’s different people. Those in US still own real things and do something with them to get such incomes.
Those in Russia steal.
In other words, in USA connections are means to help actual power and tools to actual power. In Russia it’s the other way around, actual power is all dependent on connections, which ultimately all go to one ruling group.
It’s nowhere as bad. But it will get as bad as Russia, of course, if Americans don’t learn something.
Hahaha. Just because it’s “legal” here doesn’t mean it’s not stealing. Taking billions in insurance premiums and then spending it to lobby to make it harder and harder to qualify to receive money for a claim is “legal” but so unethical and morally bankrupt that a guy just killed a CEO because of it and the entire country just shrugged and said “Yeah that’s about right.”
It’s legal in Russia too at this point. That’s not what I mean. Wealthy people in Russia own nothing really - they are just pockets of Putin. Less wealthy people are just elements of various mechanisms, legal and not, able to steal according to their status. Less wealthy than them - those who do honest business, but pretend the competition is not stifled by various invisible limitations by connections. The lower it gets, the more it is like normal stuff, but one can feel that something is wrong even arriving from Yerevan to Moscow, and Armenia is quite oligarch-owned too.
In Russia there are no CEOs to kill. People in such positions are kinda normal and everyone knows where real power lies, and those holding it can’t be so easily caught.
I misunderstood the core of what you were saying. Thank you for explaining it like this.
Dude, you have a self selecting Elite in the US and most other countries. It is the same shit. How many “rags to riches” stories still happen? And these ultimately also involve the right connections at the right time.
Look at the lauded “started in a Garage” tech billionaires.
Bill Gates?
His father was a prominent lawyer, and his mother served on the board of directors of First Interstate BancSystem and United Way of America. Gates’s maternal grandfather J. W. Maxwell was a national bank president.
At age 13, he enrolled in the private Lakeside prep school.[14][15] When he was in eighth grade, the Mothers’ Club at the school used proceeds from Lakeside School’s rummage sale to buy a Teletype Model 33 ASR terminal and a block of computer time on a General Electric (GE) computer for the students.[16] Gates took an interest in programming the GE system in BASIC, and he was excused from math classes to pursue his interest.
Zuckerberg? Haward student
Bezos? Princeton and then various banks, albeit his family background actually was lower/middle class.
Musk? Fucking apartheid mine owners.
No, I get how it’s in the USA. Matches your description. Still radically different from Russia.
Really? It feels worse than Russia.
You haven’t been to Russia.
I haven’t been to America either
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We are quoting anonymously those who did respond, to allow them the freedom to give us their most candid answers. These have been edited for length and clarity. Some have previously been reported by Fortune.
**Personal responses to the killing **
— “The disconnect between public perception and personal humanity has been striking, with some commentary bordering on dehumanizing. This highlights the critical need to humanize leadership and address the pressures faced in high-visibility roles.”
— “My challenge is keeping employees engaged. How do you maintain a sense of purpose if you think your customers hate you?”
— “I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”
— “If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”
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Wow. ‘demonization’, ‘need to humanize leadership’… Are these human people that were interviewed? Did these human persons speak anyone outside their immediate circle in the last three decades? I can hardly believe that, this is so out of touch that these folk may have never been touched by anything in their lives. I wasn’t prepared for this speedrun worldrecord to definitively prove total lack of empathy and understanding.
Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about [that the CEOs created for them to distract them].
In this current discussion, people are trying to open each others eyes about that silent part.
Also: Most people don’t hate CEOs. But we do think CEOs have no right to be making more than a thousand times what an honest working person should make, actually sacrificing lives for their profit. And when that kind of stealing and mass murder is sanctioned by the law, then what are the options?
I think its possible most people hate CEOs. Sort of like hating politicians, surely theres some good ones but on the whole, awful people.
If most people hated CEOs, that would mean most people were capable of hating, which means we’re even more fucked in this world than I thought we were. I don’t hate. I see that some people are a threat to society and need to be kept from harming the latter - but I recognize that for people to be capable of atrocities, something in their brain development has gone terribly wrong at some point in the past. So I don’t hate them, in the same way I don’t hate a virus that kills people - while still recognizing the need for a cure / vaccine.
Hate is just an emotion. Emotions aren’t permanent, they are tied to moments. Surely theres situations you can think of that would at least cause a fleeting sensation of hate. Everyone has to deal with their emotions and thoughts, and we dont always get to pick which emotions and thoughts present themselves.
The only expectation we should have is that people at least try to improve their reactions to thoughts and emotions they would rather not have.
I dont believe for a second you are truly without hate all the time, thats not possible.
I dont believe for a second you are truly without hate all the time, thats not possible.
Well luckily I am not bound by what you believe :) I - figuratively - hate financial / economical / political systems - and I might occasionally say “I hate that <person>”, only to correct myself right after with “no, I despise them”. But I don’t feel hate towards anyone. Because hate ruins my own day and our time on this planet is too precious for that. Especially - why would I give any asshole free real estate in my mind by preoccupying myself with them when they clearly do not deserve the attention?
I’m saying that moment before you correct yourself, you do feel hate. You choose to disregard hate, thats not the same as not having it at all. Similar to disregarding pain vs not feeling it at all.
Not even then. I correct myself because “I hate xy” is a figure of speech that I wrongly use.
The limit of 4 years is what’s making me laugh.
Because of course everything is tied to who the president is, in their mind. Democrats bad for business, mmm-kay?
The woke mind virus lmao
Did these human persons speak anyone outside their immediate circle in the last three decades?
After late 90s and early 00s it seems that this has become rare.
First “speaking outside your immediate circle” has moved into interwebs. Second the interwebs have changed to no longer inconvenience those who don’t want to see contradicting worldviews.
Just saying. CEOs are, of course, more isolated than many people. But their delusions are not unique by any measure.
If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about
I hope this guy gets it next. How fucking out of touch can you be that you dismiss this as “a mentally ill person doing mentally ill things”? What a fucking loser!
I love the last line. They do indeed, like how to pay for chemotherapy treatment after their claim got denied.
It’s insulting toward, what I believe to be, a plurality of the population. Luigi was a gift of a wake-up call. They’d do well to listen. Though, only government could really remedy the situation, and that’s not likely to happen. So we lurch forward toward instability. The powers at be seem more intent on transfixing the masses with fictions, distractions, and eventually: war.
“When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”, said someone who will do absolutely nothing about it.
Its the same reality as before except they realize how close they are to the edge separating the game where they abuse us from the part where they don’t get to play the game.
All of us play the game daily…go to work, do some good stuff, come home, eat, sleep. The good stuff. Why do we get so little and they get so much?
There’s a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you’re all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.
Selina Kyle
This was at the end of the article Forbes presented me with:
Do you have what it takes to make it to the C-suite? Learn how Fortune 500 CEOs overcame surprising obstacles on the road to the corner office…
I don’t want to make it to the C-suite. That sounds awful. I want to help specific people solve problems they have helping other people.
Do other people think like this? Like they want a corner office and a big car? Am I that fucking abnormal that this sounds like a death sentence to me?
“suprising obstacles” lol as soon as it gets hard these fuckers just fuck off to a new ceo position at a different company.
And the only thing hard about being ceo is making decisions that suck for your own employees like cutting back homeoffice or fire/rehire and not have a bad conscience. But since these fuckers dont have any moral or loyalality anyways it isnt hard for them at all.
People who read Forbes do.
I think large parts of humanity still desires enormous amount of money and are willing to spend their lives focusing on it.
It’s because money gives what people actually want - safety, respect, admiration, power, freedom etc.
Lemmy tends to have skewed perception of such things. Truth is, most people want money. As much as possible in as short time as possible. There’s a multitude of reasons, from wanting a luxurious life, to simply wanting to not have to worry about the money or to retire early, but pretty much everyone wants money. Look at how many folk join the lottery.
Hell, most of Lemmy wants student debt to be forgotten. That’s gaining money, just in reverse order. Same with distributed wealth etc.
World spins around money, no matter how you look at it.
But sure as hell I wouldn’t like to be in a place I hate to earn it. :/
Of those people who want more money to afford a comfortable life, it is much more rare to be mentally ill enough to want to be a billionaire and that is what is being discussed here really.
And on the topic of wanting more money to afford a comfortable life, that mostly exists also because achieving this comfortable and fear free life is made more harder by these billionaires who view services which should be basic social rights as sectors that they can squeeze money out of.
Wanting to be billionaire is not to be mentally ill. Who doesn’t like power without responsibility? Whatever moral framework you’ve got, most folk wouldn’t subscribe to when given option to be billionaire. Sorry, but that’s reality - power makes people drunk, and it’s only natural for us to want power - power to make our families and friends live better, to make people we despise grovel, to have all we want. It takes discipline and ideals to veer off into helping everyone.
And I agree with the lofe being made harder being the reason, but it doesn’t really apply to original comment I replied to.
sociopaths and children is who. have you ever been in charge of something important? something that actually matters to a number of people? if it turns into a power trip you need to grow the fuck up. it should be a humbling experience, that many people are relying on you take care of them in one way or another.
and to make people you don’t like ‘grovel’ is just maintaining a cycle of violence.
I do agree with you. I simply point out that a lot of folk don’t care.
Oh I am %100 sure at least half the world will take the option to be a billionaire. But that to me just means that the Earth is in a mental health crisis.
power makes people drunk
Yes and then like some people do (and some people don’t) they get addicted to that substance which makes them drunk and addiction is a mental health problem and quite usually with some other underlying causes.
Truth is, most people want money. As much as possible in a
It’s not unreasonable to aspire to not having money worries, the stess of it is literally a medical issue eg not having to worry about meeting mortgae or rent payments, a mechanical breakdown on a car, or paying for a dental emergency, a broken limb, or buying a new pair of shoes, replacing your laptop etc.
Much past that is based on envy and that’s where it becomes toxic with wealth inequality. It’s human nature to feel envy, you can fight it but its inate in all humans, the ONLY solution is to recognise that and to remove it by removal of inequality. The inevitable end result of not doing that is the guillotine, social instability, or in this case a bullet.
However… :) theres a whole other issue of the people in the first paragraph, who see themselves as the “everyday volk”, being incredibly unequal to the other 90% of the world. So there’s an irony there that they need to use force to preserve thier own status quo, much like the C-suite rely on force to protect their status quo (police, army etc) . You see this play out in anti immigrant and refugee hostility, build a wall etc
Do you have what it takes which is also known as inherited wealth
They’re calvinists believing: the greater the wealth, the greater the morality. Taking it to its extremes is the point as is the cruel structural violence.
I don’t want that. I want enough to live my life and nothing extravagant.
Every time I get a promotion I’ve had more and more distance between me and doing the actual work I get paid a lot more but I hate it. I have very little job satisfaction because the time scale of the things I’m working on has gone from days to months. Most of the time I just feel like I’m getting nothing done and it’s incredibly frustrating.
You guys are getting promotions?
Only because I fell into a role that was perfectly suited for my personality so it was easy for me to excel at it. Then my name got around and people started to assume because I was so good at that I must be good at other things too. Which has been pretty hit or miss…
Actually a lot of “normal” people do want that.
And many even not very “normal” people may easily lose their mind thinking they have the opportunity to become powerful.
Maybe I’m more spider than man but with great power comes great responsibility and I recognize I’m not mature enough for that.
Yes, but you are not in a situation where you can have that great power and can’t be certain until then.
I’ve had a small amount of power and the responsibilities were enough that I never want any power again.
I want that.
“I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”
Plot twist: the virus was actually the billionaires
This has gotta be Elon Musk, right? Nobody else is using that stupid phrase, right? RIGHT?
You’re out of touch with billionaire culture if you think Elon is the only one who thinks this way.
Bill George, a former Medtronic CEO and executive fellow at Harvard Business School. “People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.
Which “people”? Who are “they” in this context?
Actually most of those quotes read as completely disconnected from normal people’s reality…
Assholes who do the least amount of work and take 95% of the profit can’t figure out why the people who actually make the company money see them as parasites.
Maybe have your Private jet fly you up a few thousand feet higher for a better view and you might be able to figure it out. Fucking assholes.
It won’t be enough to eliminate the CEO’s. You’ve got to get the whole c suite and their kids. That should give them the perspective they need.
Ah.
As an ADHD person. Generalizing, strategizing, finding critical points and all that are too very important tasks. Many people seem to think these are equivalent to “doing the least amount of work”. That’s simply not true and you can compare a group where everyone linearly and with great effort always does something and where nobody does the generalizing and strategizing or even failure finding tasks, inevitably spending a lot of time chilling looking at the clouds or just thinking, to a group built normally. A hint - the latter will perform much better.
And as an ASD person. You heavily underestimate the importance and uniqueness of skills for the political part. People who become CEOs are usually incredibly gifted in that direction. I’m impaired in that direction even compared to most people, so I can see just how important it is.
And in general about assholes and not being able to figure something out … humanity works by Darwin’s laws. No matter what morality you preach in schools, no matter how much you talk about love and helping each other, the people on top are very capable. If you want something to change in any order of things, you should first accept the fact that their power is perpetually challenged and they win against those challenges preserving that power. They are quite smart.
They may see some things with aberrations. We all do.
But looking at those people and saying they understand something worse than you is similar to Soviet propaganda talking about Western world as something which is going to rot on its own, because its strategy for the future is so much dumber than the Soviet one. The weaker side does not win by being arrogant in addition to weakness.
Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.
“…and that’s a good thing, so we’ll see to it that it remains that way. Divide and conquer.”
That’s almost the exact qoute in my clipboard, and pretty much my response.
Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.
They will have bigger issues to care about. the quiet part said out loud.
How can you be so oblivious? When you’re the biggest issue people have, then you get to act all indignant when people deals with their issues.
They aren’t oblivious, they’re just relying on the operation of our society and their personal and organizational power to protect them. They don’t give a fuck, and they don’t want to give a fuck.
They have bigger issues to care about.
Issues caused mostly by CEOs.
I mean… I wouldn’t be too unhappy to see some rage directed towards the board of directors.
And the bigger issues are to keep a roof over their head and food on the table. Because of said CEOs.
“Well, corporate America is made up of hardworking Americans who do their best to reward the investors, and many times those investors are pension funds.”
Ah hahaha. The CEO who got $h!tpwn3d was investigated for insider trading. He fucked the shareholders right in the nose.
But even if he hadn’t, the investors are mostly the super rich. Giving them more money is in no way respectable or decent, knowing that the money is coming from the rest of us.
But even if shareholder supremacy were admirable, we still don’t have it. CEOs who receive company stocks routinely inflate the value so they can sell them. It’s 100% legal, and I didn’t see any of the anonymous folk speaking out against the practice.
Fuck em
Its the same reality as the old one but now they know something they didn’t.
