100% guarantee price raises across the board, even for stuff not affected by tarrifs/mass deportation labor shortages.
It’ll be covid all over again, an excuse to price gouge the fuck out of those who can least afford it.
But the question is, will American manufacturing make up for the costs? Or, will American manufacturing just raise their prices to match the tariffs and lump the profits into their executive bonuses. They deserve it after all for being smart enough to raise prices.
American manufacturing CAN’T, it would take years, decades honestly, to get back the capacity to make all the crap we’ve outsourced to other countries.
And this is the absolute brain rot fantasy of tariffs that I keep explaining to these idiots, and keep getting blank stares or awkward silences.
Tariffs are 100% punitive, without a domestic/alternative sourcing strategy. They can work long term to reduce a foreign nation’s competitive advantage in an industry while allowing a domestic industry space to exist, but that only works if there’s a domestic industry that already exists (at enough scale to meet demand) or a long term government program to nurture and build those industries - education/vocation training, regulatory concerns, infrastructure development, raw materials availability, etc
Tariffs Chinese steel/electronics/machine tools/etc into oblivion? Either buy the imported at a high price, or buy the domestic at a slightly less high price - but the cost is always carried by the consumer no matter what.
And beyond that, it will incentivize further automation rather than more blue collar jobs.
This is largely accurate unfortunately. A good example is Apple. They tried to make a high-end desktop computer manufactured in the US. To do this they needed a specific type of screw. In the area near their factory, they only found one machine shop that could make the screw and they could guarantee an output of 50 screws per day after a 3 week lead time to tool up. And that was the final offer.
When they finally moved to China, they submitted the same request. Multiple vendors appeared offering thousands of screws per day and if they wanted to place a bigger order the company would set up a new factory just to produce those screws and could output tens or hundreds of thousands per day depending on requirements.
Another example is the iPhone and Gorilla Glass. There were a few Chinese companies in the running to manufacture the glass panel that would go on top of the phone. The one that got the contract, in anticipation of getting the contract, had already purchased the machine to form the glass and had samples ready for inspection at the contract signing.
We have allowed our business climate to become so bogged down in red tape and liability and lawyers and insurance, that most American companies are simply unable to execute at the same speed as China when it comes to manufacturing.
I would absolutely love to get more manufacturing back in the US. But the process of outsourcing is not going to get unwound overnight. It took two decades to move everything to China, even if the whole country agreed that was a mistake it would take another two decades to bring it back. Because as the Apple screws demonstrate, it’s not just about the factory that produces the widget. It’s about everything that goes into that factory, the companies that make the parts and the screws and the plastic. When you deal with China, they are all right there and they are all ready to go. Same can’t be said for the US.
I was sorta on board until you blamed regulations as a reason businesses can’t have manufacturering I. The US.
Regulations are written in blood. Stop pretending like a living wage and no slave labor is a bad tbi g inhibiting production.
Tarrif the snot out of the slave wage countries.
If.some other countries are any indication, not only will they raise the prices but they will raise it way more than the tariffs and just blame on tariffs and with time people will just think that is they way it is. “X cost 3 times as other countries? That is because the tariffs” no mind that the tariffs is like 50% and not 300%. Like they already do with gas prices. Gas go up immediately when oil prices rise but only goes down, if ever, for new stock.
During his first term Trump put a tariffs on Washing Machines. The price of imported washing machines went up. The price of domestically manufactured washing machines was also raised. Even the price of dryers — which didn’t have a tariff — went up on both imported and domestically manufactured appliances.
I have yet to see an economist that thinks Trumps tariff plans will benefit the working class.
That is exactly what US steel did in response to the steel tariffs back in Trump round one.
I think we know
I think you guys know.
Haha number go up again
Everything he will do contributes to anger, division and the collapse of the United States.
People will be angry but angry at the wrong people. No, let’s not be angry at the guy for actively destroying everyone’s lives. Let’s be angry at blacks. Or gay people. Or transgenders. Or police. Or scientists.
Fucking dumb Americans.
Fuck Walmart.
How about “fuck the idiot who thinks tariffs are paid for by anyone except the consumer.” Your money is going to be worth a lot less over the next 4 years because a moron doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
Nah, we should be paying tarrifs from goods imported from countries with terrible labor laws.
But we also need social services like UBI to provide free housing and food and clothing.
No matter how you slice it, it simply ends in America’s living with a “lowered” quality of life. The reason we buy things from overseas is because it was cheaper and nobody wanted to pay for the expensive American version. Even the current high-end American products we have will find themselves struggling when people have to pick and choose what they can afford going forward.
I’m also a little indifferent about the whole thing. I just think its going to be hilarious if it goes down and people end up struggling even more after voting Trump. I’ll have my schadenfreude-popcorn ready constantly to munch on over the next four years.
Lowering your quality of life when that wealth is stolen, built on the backs of oppressed people, or causing climate change is both necessary and just
There are two bright sides to this (and dark sides as well):
-This will decrease demand of Chinese goods in the U.S., hurting a country that is … problematic to say the least. (Anyone remember the Uyghurs? The O.G. Gazens?) It probably won’t shift demand back to the U.S. factories, but maybe it is time for another country to become the slave-labor-ish manufacturing capital of the world.
-When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed. I just hope this wasn’t the plan all along and those “fake” inflation hikes back after covid weren’t to cover for the real ones down the road.
Trump will get blamed
Oh honey…
Trump will get blamed
Ha, ha, ha, he will blame Biden, or immigrants, and his moron supporters will believe him just like they have when he lied the other thousands of times.
Trump will get blamed
Like they blamed him for his COVID-19 response?
If that didn’t get through… honestly, I have no idea what would. Americans are just stuck in their feeds and divorced from reality now.
They’re planning on 10-20% tariffs on all imports. China is 60%.
When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed.
i really hope you’re right, but i think that will most likely get blamed on biden “ruining the economy” in his last term, or something in that vein. a lot of trump voters get their news from fox news or directly from donald trump, and i can’t imagine either of those sources criticizing trumps economic policies.
Funny that we both posted the same concern at the same time.
i’m glad that we both realized that 17 minutes ago was the perfect time to post that comment
When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed.
In all likelihood, only a small percentage of his voters will actually blame him for the predictable consequences of his tariffs. The rest of them will believe Trump when he blames it on Biden’s economic policies that were put in place before Trump’s second term. Our egos have a funny way of making us do mental gymnastics to avoid having to accept the idea of oneself being wrong.
No shit.
This is literally in the first paragraph of every economics textbook when they talk about tariffs.
Donald Trump didn’t win the Presidency by reading textbooks.
How do you get by in life without reading? I mean, don’t you have to know what the symbols on clocks mean to tell time?
don’t you have to know what the symbols on clocks mean to tell time
not all types of clocks.
Numbers aren’t words duh.
“Today’s show is brought to you by the letter 3!”
And you don’t need a textbook to understand how the very basics of business work. You know, the thing people seem convinced he understands? A fucking toddler has more knowledge than Trump. The United States of America doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together
They heard lower taxes, and simply misunderstood that tariffs are another form of taxation.
They heard whatever they wanted to hear, because that rambling shitgibbon said everything to everybody.
He won it by taking bribes from billionaires, like a true politician
He won it because Biden sabotaged the democratic electoral base for four years.
Trump lost 1m vote 2020-2024, dems lost 12-10m.
Thats what happens when you undercut your own base and key demographic allies.
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Nobody who voted for Trump read that book homie.
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that book homie.Fixed that for ya
No, the first page is how it introduces inefficiencies into a supply/demand equilibrium, resulting in a lower quantity supplied and at a higher price.
No one who every studies economics, even in passing, would even consider another country paying a tarrif for something you buy. The concept is just… what?
Yeah, the, misguided, idea is that the increase in price from imports will drive domestic production, of those things, as the high prices reduce demand, and cut into profit margins. This used to be something that was a sensible assumption of what would happen. However the contemporary world has far too much infrastructure for tariffs to truly work like that any longer. It will, usually, be cheaper to increase the costs for the tariffs, than to restructure back to domestic production.
Clearly we need to add those to the banned books list
Pretty sure everyone was told this before the election.
Problem:
“Harris outperformed Biden’s 2020 numbers among white voters with college degrees. Meanwhile, exit polling from NBC News gave Republicans a 9-point gain with voters who never attended college.”
I bet a big portion of that 9% shops at Walmart.
Would been smart for Wally’s bottom line to maybe tell their customers about this before the fucking election.
They don’t care. The owners of Walmart are some of the richest people in the world. So like all rich people they just figure they’ll hike prices and people will still pay (and they’ll have to, because Walmart tends to drive all its competitors out of town).
‘I love the poorly educated’, donald j trump, feb 2016.
Thing is, basic economics is a high school subject, except:
“Sir, when am I going to have to know how tariffs work in the real world?”
You had econ in HS? Mine had it but it was only an elective.
I don’t think mine even had it as an elective. We were too busy spending 2 years of history classes learning how nice the Pilgrims were to the natives. And this was in Massachusetts, which I believe ranks #1 in education in the US.
#1 in education.
And also the only state in the country where every precinct voted for Harris.
Surely that must be a coincidence, right?
Basic economics was not a required class in my high school. Macro and Micro Economics were both electives.
tariffs, trade wars, and their effects surely were covered, or at least touched on, in a history class or two.
Hmm maybe my highschool was far below average then
A simple google search would have many credible sources giving the answer to what tarrifs are.
But to the magats, only fox news has the truth.
Harris lost demographics impacted by Biden policies. She failed to disasociate herself with a candidate that his own base wouldn’t support.
Keep pushing this if you want dems to keep losing.
It’s a certainty, not a fucking "likelihood’. That’s how they work.
You mean there’s no chance that Wal-Mart might choose to absorb the increased prices out of the goodness of their hearts? :o
Well, the far-right courts made that illegal for publicly-traded companies, so, no.
just like mexico paid for his ‘wall’
Duuuh. Did they really think the company would just eat the additional costs? What a bunch of maroons.
They thought the exporting country/company would pay for it.
and without raising the price they sell it at. which is just many millions of sad examples of how ‘effective’ the republicants war on public education has been.
The good thing about Trump is that other countries will try to get more independent from the US.
I have a trick to get others to pay it for me:
I’m very glad I live in Canada.
Over 51% of men are voting for Poilivre in the next election. That’s across all age groups. We’re where we usually are: 5-10 years behind something the US is doing.
I hate to say it but the NDP need to replace Singh with someone more charismatic.
There’s too much Trudeau hate for the Liberals to have a chance. Too many people will be voting “anything but liberal” this election because they blame Trudeau.
Right now conservatives feel like the only other option because there’s also enough racists to not to vote for Singh.
We need another NDP leader like Jack Layton that people will see as a symbol of change or we’ll be following in the Americans footsteps.
I’m not sure, USA is way too close for comfort
I’ve heard that y’all have your own far-right, MCGA bullshit to deal with. Do everything you can to stop it. Get involved with as many organizations as you can and get as many people involved as you can. “It’ll never happen here” is complete and utter bullshit. Good luck, Northern brethren.
I live in Alberta. Our premier is basically Marjorie Taylor Greene.
The USA screwing up trade never leaves Canada in a good spot. Our prices will go up too. And we’re about to suffer the same effect of mass ignorance after the next federal election when the voters elect a populist bigot with no idea how to run a country. We’re already suffering it in the provincial governments. Plus the bigots in Canada feel empowered to get loud and violent when the Americans are all doing it. I’m glad not to be living in the USA but we’re not looking forward to fun times.
Surrounded by Trump voters there, I see
Holy shit. That’s amazing.
Holy shit, lol And here we all thought dumb funny movies didn’t have anything of substance in them
And Walmart will but only by a tinsy tiny bit. That’s why they’re coming out and saying this.
