I live in Taiwan right now and China-nese people are great. Its the CCP that is annoying.
Once every few weeks we would hear fighter jets scramble to meet these CCP pigs because they are constantly flying into it territory.
They have also invaded our politics with a faction in Taiwan openly wanting to sell out Taiwan for their own gains.
They are also brainwashing out kids too with TikTok.
Leave us alone. We just want to exist.
Americans living in America from .ml don’t believe your lived experience.
Which ones?
We locals are not scared tho. We are sorta numb to these kind of attacks. We are actively deporting anyone that suggests reunification through force. Just last week a China-nese student was mocking the president and posting how this person was for taking back the country by force. This person got deported this week.
Deported for political opinions, very cool lol.
I want to figure out which phrases will pop MAGAs like this.
So Biden won in 2020, righr?
“I support human rights.”
“I think the government should help people.”
“I like science. It is useful.”
“We should protect the environment.”
“People should have health care and education.”
Etc.
Then watch them foam at the mouth, Exorcist-style.
“We should raise taxes” is another good one. The majority of Republican campaign ads in my state are focused around the democrat candidates wanting to raise taxes (on the wealthy, but they clip that part out).
“pedophiles should be put in jail”
“Release the Epstein files!”
That’s as easy as shooting a fish in a barrel, friend.
“what’s your pronoun?”
“meat is murder”
“no one is illegal on stolen land”
… and other ad nauseam catch phrases that we all hear on a steady basis.
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Why mention Taiwan when you can hit him with Tiananmen Square?
What, did something happen there?
They’ll just get auto blocked by the great firewall then lol
Or egg fried rice.
If you respect China, you’re a piece of shit. Taiwan deserves independence, Hong Kong does too, so does Tibet, and so does East Turkestan.
This is helping me filter people. These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I eat ass.
You bought into the ass eating propaganda.
Taiwan is independent by every definition of the word. Taiwan deserves to be recognized as independent, which it is whether governments decide to or not.
I eat ass.
Clearly a gentle person and a scholar. A glass of wine with you!
(Though we each get our own glass. I don’t want sex diarrhea.)
sex diarrhea
Dibs on the band name!
No nation state should be respected.
When playing Nation State Am I the Arsehole? The answer is always “Everyone Sucks Here”.
It’s very, very strange to me that there are “socialists” out there who simp for China.
Comrade (those simps, not you), the working class don’t control society just by being considered by the ruling party, who you can’t recall, or vote out.
They have to actually have democratic control over society, which they most certainly do not in China, and there’s absolutely no plans to move toward that.
People there very much support the government when asked, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that support is justified when accounting for control over the media and suppression of dissent, and even industrial action smh. Similarly, Americans think they have democracy, which to be honest, they pretty much don’t, because there is no real democracy under capitalism where the wealthy will always have undue influence on the system, and especially not under their whacky-ass voting systems.
I dislike how people can’t grasp the concept that all ruling classes are bad, and just because one slaps “socialist” on their branding, doesn’t mean you need to support it…
If you respect China
China as a country, a people and a culture deserve respect. The current power structure doesn’t.
This, it’s important never to misdirect hate on what countries inherently give back to the world
Think that 15% of people who didn’t say everyone has equal rights are the gay people who want equal rights or literally any protections against discrimination.
Do you?
What? Think gay people should have equal rights, yeah.
Same!
Highly doubtful
They literally can’t complain…
I’m coming from a thread where people expressed fear to act and protest because they are killed in the act, get shot on their faces, literally. It’s in the graph.
my favorite part of your statement is how hard it is to tell if you’re talking about tiananmen or tulsa.
Or Paris
Hmmm, something something statists and hierarchy simps.
Or what?
The social credit system
Lmao. The one that doesn’t exist?
it doesnt take much searching to find out it does…
if you want to lie, at least be competent about it
Holy fuck! Chinese propaganda bots on Lemmy? Are you guys uninformed, or deliberately spreading misinformation?
This guy still believes in the ganda
That is a fascinating graph indeed. Ever wondered why official rape rates can be much higher in very progressive countries than in ultra-convservative countries where women have few rights, even if rape is illegal there? Hint: It is not because there are necessarily more rapes.
Lmao
No arguments, I see.
I’m waiting for an argument against my data.
Did you think your comment was worthy of rebuttal, lmfao?
Not to argue against the data, but rather its disingenuous presentation: “democracy” is fundamentally interpreted differently by respondents in those regions, which the graph obscures.
Used as such, it’s propaganda. The truth (data with context) is much more interesting.
So no argument, except for “your argument does not count because I say so”. Ok. .ml style.
It certainly highlights a level of self-denial.
Over a billion people all just so in denial.
That’s what propaganda does. China isn’t a free democracy.
I’m sure you know better than the actual Chinese people polled. Thanks for setting the record straight.
and when North Koreans say the Kim gang are great, we should believe them.
Some times it takes an outsider to see the problems, and I’m not alone in seeing massive democratic problems in China. You don’t know who participated in that poll (and neither do I) was it random people on the street or pro party people? With the amount of surveillance in China, I probably would think twice before speaking against the party.
The communist party has the sole power in China, while other parties technically are legal they haven’t got any power higher than city/regional level.
And then there’s the corruption, they have massive problems with that.
And before you go “hurr durr other countries bad” yes other countries do have problems and some may be worse than China, but that doesn’t legitimise Chinas government.
I see what you’re getting at but you only need to glance at the US to know that a lot of citizens of a country do NOT know WTF they’re talking about when it comes to their leadership.
No country is perfect and that graph is highlighting who’s allowed to say that about their own country.
You think? You don’t think it has anything to do with the historically unprecedented rise in standard of living?
That may explain some of the positive results, but I think my original comment is a more plausible explanation as to why one single country would be such an outlier in your graph.
You should know, the same report also puts Russia as one of the worst perceptions of democracy, I am talking the same level as some African countries riddled by warlords.
Why would you think I didn’t already know that, lol?
So based on this, would you say Russia is one of the worst democracies in the world (worse than even US) and that some North European countries and India are better democracies than China?
This is such a weird question. Internet people should have to earn badges for the things they create before they talk like this. In order to be condescending you need at least one very impressive thing you’ve done that everyone in the thread knows about
My democracy is better than your democracy 😠
The northern European countries with colonies in Africa? No, I wouldn’t say that.
I’m not even really sure what you mean when you say better or worse democracy to be honest.
Because you have this really weird habit where you continually post material that you think will back your argument up. But you don’t actually read into it and then it turns out the material debases the point you were trying to make. I literally made a meme about it once.
Your point is that China is exceptionally nationalistic? Based on a subjective study. Nice hard facts there. What’s really awesome is that the source is partnered with Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. An organization explicitly aiming to distance Taiwan from China and strengthen it as a independent democratic government.
Info from 2003-2016 saying the population of China is extremely nationalistic… Again… what’s your point?
Keep thinking buddy, you’ll figure it out eventually.
What a good way to convey your point.
These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I mean, so did almost literally everyone else to some degree, unless they went extinct as hunter-gatherers. If that’s your disqualifier, you need to go live with the penguins in Antarctica.
The argument isn’t that Tibet once had slavery at some point in it’s history, but that Tibet had slavery up until the PRC ended it. There are no states in the modern day that practice slavery or serfdom in a comparable way (you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom). Slave states do not have the right to exist, and any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves. That’s not an unreasonable standard, it’s a standard that exists today.
I dunno. A lot of societies are getting away with severe bonded servitude on the premise it’s not as bad as the North-Atlantic slave trade.
Considering the US’ effort to keep slavery going with extra steps continuing to this day and getting worse, I’m eager to hold accountable every society that tries.
Point being, national sovereignty doesn’t outweigh wanton cruelty. It’s the same argument with the Confederacy, “States’ rights? States’ rights to what?” No state that employs that kind of system has the right to exist. The Union defeating the Confederacy and freeing the slaves, even if it wasn’t total liberation, was completely justified and made a marked improvement in countless people’s lives. Yes, there is still more to be done, but the world is a better place because slavery, as an institution, was ended by force.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
If you believe that’s objectively true then I suspect you need to ask yourself “why aren’t governments everywhere banding together to obliterate the actual slavery going on inside their borders?”
Those discord user account compromises and social media accounts asking for gift cards to avoid releasing your personal whatever aren’t legitimate businesses and the people performing those actions for them are not free to quit or even leave the buildimg they “work” in.
Okay, you could maybe argue that’s one-off tourist kidnapping by criminal parties at scale, but then we have blood diamonds. How is it they still exist?
Vegas hotels getting regular visits from cops as the drugs wear off early and the occasional girl escapes from the room she’s being held in, the fact that the superbowl is the world’s largest human trafficking conference, large portions of haiti under the current regime, slavery is EVERYWHERE and whoever is feeding you that line and placing the onus at a governmental policy level is trying to distract you from reality and hand-wave away anything that doesn’t line up with their own agenda.
The world banded rogether to eliminate CFC’s because of the ozone hole.
It’s clear we CAN all cooperate, so I posit you should be asking yourself: when reality doesn’t line up with the convenient point-proving “statements of fact” someone is pushing your direction, what does someone stand to gain from misrepresenting reality with quotable sound bytes?
(you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom)
Human trafficking is illegal everywhere. It still happens, but does so in the shadows. If a nation can just accuse another of not doing enough to combat human trafficking, that’s subjective by how much is “enough,” and the scope of it is hard to prove in an objective and indisputable way. Any nation could accuse any other nation and it would be a free pass whenever anyone wanted to go to war.
I’m talking about having an official stance of legalized chattel slavery or serfdom.
Tibet was still feudal at the time. Their liberation, arguably just forced modernization, involved losing regional, cultural, and socioeconomic self determination in an arrangement that very much resembles imperial or colonial exploitation and political suppression. Slavery of the entire polity to replace slavery of the poor, if you will.
Just another nation-state doing what statists do.
Yeah, and growing up I heard the exact same talking points about the Confederacy. How states should have the right to decide whether they want to be in a union or not, how ending slavery was the real slavery, how it was authoritarian for a central body to tell us who we couldn’t enslave, how Southern culture was lost by the North imposing it’s ways on us. Just another nation-state trying to control the little guy. I’ve heard it all before.
If there is some rationale that can actually justify bemoaning the lost cause of the Tibetan slaver theocrats, it’s probably for the best that I’m not clever enough to see it, because I’d have used it to justify the beliefs I was raised with and might not have ever become a leftist in the first place.
It’s completely absurd to speak of “self-determination,” especially “socioeconomic self-determination” regarding a literal slave theocracy. What, you mean the “self determination” of the theocrats? Because the serfs didn’t have self-determination to lose in the first place. Again, there’s no shortage of people in the South who would bemoan the “carpetbaggers” and the loss of Southern “socioeconomic self-determination” (though they might use different terms), completely glossing over the fact that slaves had zero socioeconomic self-determination under their system.
You are the one who’s adopting a statist perspective by treating the serfs and their lords as one entity with unified interests, when if you look at if from a class perspective, they had diametrically opposed interests, with the interests of the serfs being in line with the interests of the Chinese people and the revolutionaries. Which is why so many of them supported them (in spite of the slaver theocrats’ attempts at religious indoctrination).
Of course, another reason is their shared history. Tibet had been part of China for hundreds of years, which is why it’s still claimed as part of China by the ROC. During the brief period of chaos following the collapse of the Qing, it emerged alongside countless other warlord states that were opposed by both the nationalists and communists, as well as anyone with half a brain who could see that the division is exactly what allowed them to be invaded by the Japanese despite them being a much smaller foe. In fact, during WWII, the US military produced a film that states that point explicitly.
China would have been wrong to have not freed the Tibetan serfs. Perhaps that liberation was imperfect or incomplete, just as the liberation of slaves in the US was, but it was still a step in the right direction that massively improved the quality of life for the vast majority of Tibetans.
Well there are so many points of historical and political-economy analysis that fundamentally differentiate the medieval feudalism of the himalayan plateau societies from the colonial chattel slaver system of the early USA that it is too much to address here.
But let’s not pretend that Tibet was liberated from a cruel economy and then given a path to self determination and control over immigration. It was annexed and is being settled like other settler-states. If the remnants of all former empires laid claim to their former conquests the world would burn.
Most nation-states have slavery-by-another-name running inside their prison systems, including China. Fuck that weak excuse. Geopolitics and centralized power did this, not that heroic myth that is just a variant of manifest destiny. Slavers liberating slaves, pfft.
But let’s not pretend that Tibet was liberated from a cruel economy and then given a path to self determination and control over immigration. If the remnants of all former empires laid claim to their former conquests the world would burn.
Do the former Confederate states have control over immigration, or is that handled at the federal level? Do those states have “a path to self-determination,” including a path towards secession, or towards reinstituting slavery? No, they are, quite correctly, bound by federal laws and follow the same rules as everyone else. Should we treat the Union reestablishing control over the Confederacy as, “an empire laying claim to its former conquests?” They had been a part of the Union for a much shorter time than Tibet had been part of China.
Most nation-states have slavery-by-another-name running inside their prison systems, including China… Slavers liberating slaves, pfft.
Yes, and the Union had prisons too. This doesn’t change the fact that ending the formal institution of slavery was a major, important step that materially improved the lives of the freed slaves. You’re dismissing all progress unless it instantly creates a perfect utopia overnight. This was a big one I heard, “The Northerners were hypocrites because their factories had harsh conditions.”
So far, I have yet to hear an argument that passes the, “Can this be used to justify the CSA” test, and as the CSA was unjustified those arguments must be wrong. You say that the systems were different, and yes, that’s true. The question is whether they were different in any relevant way. They were both cruel systems of involuntary servitude.
All of your arguments are just justifying cruel, inhumane, oppressive, authoritarian systems, and twisting words around to present it as “anti-authoritarian.” My upbringing has innoculated me against that sort of thing.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
This one doesn’t ring well. It is one thing if the oppressed people themselves asked for help, but otherwise its just an invasion. No nation has a ‘right’ to free slaves.
The PRC had considerable help from Tibetan serfs. I know that was true. The communists didn’t just all come from China.
What population of slaves in history has not welcomed their liberators? What population of slaves in history has been permitted to petition someone to come free them?
Wat
I want to visit west Taiwan one day, or as some people call it: “China”.
Southern Mongolia
East Japan
OG China. It’s just geographicaly inconvenienced at the moment, but it doesn’t mind.
“Greater territory of Taiwan”
The rebel-occupied territories
Sounds like the cool version of china.
I do like what they did to the landlords. The academics, not so much.
Not Chinese? Pour one out for the students at Tiananmen Square.
Fuk you, Western pig
That doesn’t mean they’re from China. They might just be from lemmy.ml . 😏
Tankies can come from anywhere.
Which is an odd thing to say now because of how much US and other western nationalist parties went from hating the Commies to dick riding Russia and being bipolar on China.
I always find it to be the ultimate irony that .ml is blocked in China.
Little spez puts in work parroting their state propaganda and they don’t like him either.
You don’t have to like or respect the lackey you hire to get a job done.
Basically they are only for outside propaganda. They dont want their psy ops become known for inlanders.
Then people there could say “That’s not what it’s like here at all” and suddenly propaganda debunked.
.mls absolutely depend on the epistemic bubble to create a void of knowledge that they can fill with their BS. Anything that says anything bad about the PRC is “western propaganda.” All their sources are PRC propaganda, but since it’s non-western they claim that makes it valid.
Wait, are you saying they block the lemmy instance, or do they block the .ml TLD altogether?
I’m not sure how accurate this site is though.
haha, oh wow.
The anarchist instance is not blocked either LMAO
(If that site is accurate)
Very
This ip probably sits outside the firewall.
I’m not sure what those mean.
I suppose they’ve used a proxy / VPN in China to test whether the site is really not reachable from there.
What are the chances the Chinese are technology savvy enough to figure out it’s a VPN?
We need to test this on lemmygrad.ml
That explains why I don’t seem to notice many Chinese trolls here. Chinese trolls are more direct and less subtle. They are always reactionary to comments and their responses to criticisms are always PR-sounding. At least that’s my experience in Reddit.
Russian trolls, meanwhile, I have to say they are more clever because they always pretend to be from another country. But with the flailing invasion of Ukraine, they have become increasingly less subtle than before and don’t even hide it.
When they’re from China they’re trolls, lmao?
Free Tibet
Already done, you missed the party!
Under Chinese control is not free
Liberals become like blood and soil nationalists for ethnic groups contained within the countries of their state’s enemies, but then dress it up as decolonization. You don’t want Tibetans to be free, or Tatars, Uyghurs, Kurds, or any of those ethnic groups conveniently only in Russia, or China, or Iran.
It’s obvious that you have ulterior motives.
What you are actually insinuating when you say things like that, is that the US or NATO or whatever should go in and support the separatist faction to balkanize those countries and weaken them. Like the neocolonialist playbook.
Or a more subtle variation on that where instead of saying we all should outright support insurrection/regime change in [Country opposing Western imperialism] you say that we shouldn’t support them against US/NATO aggression because they have [insert internal issue] and that makes them deserve it, or that they’re both bad so don’t support either side.
On the off chance you don’t want that, ask yourself: what can you actually do to help [issue] in [China, Russia, Iran, DPRK, etc.]? And if you live in the West, the answer is:
Almost nothing, those problems have to be solved by people over there, but you can help, by protecting them against your terrorist-ass government.
Well they used to be slaves, then China freed them, so yeah I’d say Tibet is pretty God damn free, now, lmfao.
Most people use a VPN in china
Truly, a sign of a free nation.
Free from Facebook, palantir, and NSA surveillance, sure
Because wee chat is a free from any surveillance?/s
No one’s protecting the US either here. I think most people here agree that the US, China, and Russia all suck currently and are all trying to control the narrative in multiple countries, corrupting them as well.
You don’t need to align yourself with another country to see that one sucks.
K but one is the global superpower lol.
Duuur good thing they don’t have their own surveillance and social media companies that do the exact same things.
So stupid it hurts.
Yeah but if a company is caught fucking up they face actual consequences and not record profits lol. Those companies also can’t influence government policy, rather the government tells the company its limits on surveillance and data retention.
I mean, durrr
Companies get away with all kinds of shit in China. You really have no fucking clue.
Man, came here looking for them. Little disappointed.
You just didn’t wait long enough. One lemmy.ml user (emphasis on “ml”) posted in this thread just a few minutes ago.
Found him
Yeah
TAIWAN NUMBER ONE
Damn. I know this is a shitpost (and a funny one) but this is actually a neat strategy as a rough filter for bad people, like on dating sites or such.
I think I’ll start using this. Thank you OP! <3Put the anti douchebag statement at the top:
“Trans rights are human rights. Free Palestine. Systemic racism exists. Feminism benefit everyone. No war but class war.”
Saves a lot of time.
I saw one where they asked the other person to say Taiwan is an independent nation and to say (type) the words Winnie the Pooh, and they wouldn’t. That’ll do it.
OTOH, if I was traveling to China every so often, I would likely be also cautious with writing such things. For a similar reason I likely shouldn’t enter the US any time soon.
It’s a racist shitpost. Doing this to people you think are Chinese is totally not an acceptable thing to do at all. This is like a blatantly racist meme, regardless of your position on tankies, like they even made them type with broken English. The Chinese scammer that says “fuk you.”
It also insinuates that Asian people are aligned politically with the country of their origin, which is like classic anti-Asian racism.
Considering this was a scam text and the person what trying to steel money I think this is fair game. If the authorities are listening then they could block the number and it may interfere with other scams.
Yeah, also consider that the person depicted in this meme isn’t fucking real!
Alright then. Fuck me, I guess.
Just so you know, I have zero tolerance for racism online or offline. I’ve ended relationships because of stupid, racist jokes which are unfortunately really common in my country. I insult people to the extreme irl when making those jokes.
But…I guess I was racist all along. I’m sorry.But also, I might recommend you to maybe not insult people to the extreme when defending someone from a racist remark. White people making a scene to prove that they’re not racist can be really embarrassing to everyone involved.
The difference is between genuine protectiveness and trying to prove that you’re not racist, you shouldn’t be doing the latter.
Just avoid doing stuff like this IRL, a single comment online doesn’t really matter.
“bad people” lmfao.
Literally 12
I’d rather be young than a tankie with the Chinese flag that far up my ass 🤷♀️
Gotta say, it’s really in there! How does that even happen?Classic lemmy.ml troll, btw
Oh shit, am I one of the bad people you were talking about!? Tell your parents!
Literally 20 years old, probably still younger than you and enjoying my youth. Okay, clown lol
Ah shit, you are actually really young. Sorry for being so confrontational, but good guys and bad guys is a very naive way to view the world.
😎
It’s fine lol. Just…there are probably better ways to express your opinion/disagreement
good guys and bad guys is a very naive way to view the world
Should have made it clearer, what I meant is “bigoted assholes”
Of course, just sick of hearing westerners calling China the bad guy when it’s objectively America who’s been destabilizing the globe for 80 years, lol
Yes, 20 day old .ml account.
You are indeed one of the imperialist regime worshippers this post is talking about.
Lmao China is imperialist for wanting to reunify with a country that also calls itself China? What are you smoking?
I love that you have a personal go-to insult and it’s calling people 12-year-olds. It’s cute. Wholesome even. Keep it up.
Thanks for the important contribution to the discussion 👍
Don’t mention it, that’s what this community desperately needs after all.
Fair, lol
Gr8 B8 M8
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Cre8 more, I can’t w8.
It’s getting l8, so I’ma go masturb8
How about with rice?
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That’s a meme I haven’t heard in long time…
I R8
I use this strategy on my dating profile as well to weed these people out 🤣
“goteem”? What on Earth is that supposed to mean?
My old ass thinking about post numbers on 4chan
Gotta love how the west has been sipping the propaganda koolaid for years and just decided China is the enemy even though the US commits war crimes. Love it
Just so you know, both the us AND China can be bad.
Whoa, you blindly believe us propaganda. Odd thing for you to be proud about, but you do you
Gotta love how the east has been sipping the propaganda koolaid for years and just decided America is the enemy even though China commits war crimes Love it.
Fuck off tankie
The US has never been allies with the CCP, they supported the KMT. The US overtly talked about using atomic weapons in the 1950s to protect Taiwan. If you’re a CCP enthusiast you have a lot of talking points about western intervention into China during the century of humilation, but being shocked the US would support Taiwan all of a sudden just makes you come off as ignorant.
It’s obvious why the US doesn’t like China. They’re talking about why the people in the US don’t when it’s ther own government doing all the war crimes.
Is it because Taiwan is a country?
Taiwan being a country is why the US hates China or Taiwan being a country is why the west believes US propaganda despite them doing war crimes 24/7?
Pretty sure they decided that along time ago, something something, they took our jobs. Westerners blame China for the loss of jobs when they need to blame the capitalists who outsourced the work to anyone who was willing to do it for peanuts, the idea that would last forever and people wouldn’t learn and then develop their own shit is the biggest lie they told people.
Maybe I’ll start asking the spam calls this
I don’t think any peasant worker in The Philippines has strong opinions either way.
Kashmere belongs to Pakistan?
Oink!!
