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    “Hey everyone, things are NOT going our way in the Supreme Court, and we need to change everything about our judicial, political, and constitutional system!” - Sincerely, Democrats.

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    For once, I just want Democrats to take a fucking bold brazen move. Seriously. This is why Democrats never control the narrative because they’re always too gun-shy to do the right thing and stand by their own beliefs.

    • Ditch the 81-year-old clearly suffering cognitive decline; run what would be a viral media frenzy that is an open convention and an American Idol contest for the American people.

    • Or fuck it: AOC will be old enough to be President this year. Even if she can’t get the nomination, she should start campaigning literally today until 2028, just like Trump does.


    Edit: Sorry, going to move this to the top of the thread because it’s too important:

    Before going forward, let me be clear: I want to be convinced that we’re not fucked. I really do. The past three days I’ve gone into detail about how I think we’re fucked and looking for anyone to make a sound, data-driven argument that shows we are not. I’ve yet to be convinced by one, and bear in mind I voted for Biden once and would vote for a corpse if it meant preventing the convicted felon getting keys to the WH again.

    There is ample evidence that a not insignificant amount of swing voters either saw past the old man voice to what he was actually saying and standing for, as well as recognized how badly Trump did, even though literally everyone only focuses on Biden, just like always.

    Please show me these! Because these are all the surveys I’ve so far seen:

    Post-Debate: “72 Percent Say Biden Unfit Mentally, Cognitively.”

    Post-Debate: “64% of Independents want Biden replaced on the ballot”; that’s more than they want Trump replaced on the ballot by 1%, by the way.

    Post-Debate: “Voters think Harris is more fit than Biden to run the country”

    Post-Debate: “Swing state voters react to presidential debate, Biden’s weak performance”

    Post-Debate Focus Group: “Undecided voter focus group leans toward Trump after debate”

    Post-Debate Focus Group 2/Reuters: “‘I am absolutely voting for Donald Trump’: Undecided voters react to Biden’s debate performance”

    Post-Debate USAToday/Suffolk Poll: “Republican Donald Trump has edged ahead of Democrat Joe Biden, 41% to 38%, in the aftermath of the candidates’ rancorous debate last week”

    Nate Silver of 538’s Model: “Biden’s win probability has dropped to 28 percent from 35 percent on debate night.”

    Post-Debate Poll: “Three-quarters of US voters say the Democratic Party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket”

    Let’s face reality:

    To me I view it as a known loss versus a known risky chance. At this point, personally and given all the data I’ve thus far presented, I am that convinced that we will lose. Polling shows people deeply unsatisfied with the current candidate. I think critical swing-state voters would just be happy to vote for a fresh face that is younger. Like Mehdi Hasan said, “Americans like new shit.”

    So I don’t know how how you can say with a straight face that Biden is more successful while simultaneously dodging the obvious fact that there is a significant decline in physical and cognitive performance. So let’s recap:

    We can downplay all we want, but this wasn’t “one bad debate,” for it wasn’t even about the debat eitself but the revelation of Biden’s senility piercing through echo-chambers. For the exact same reason Biden ASKED for this debate to reach important voters and show he’s mentally fit (akin to the SOTU) and show Trump is not, it backfired 100% and there will not be another chance to reach 50 million voters at prime-tme. Trump has no obligation to take another debate; ending on that note is all that is needed.

    • Biden took this debate because he is currently losing and needed to break the stagnant, steadily-declining polls.
    • Biden’s performance is worse than his 2020 run and in fact, worse than Hillary’s losing run in 2016 by every single metric I can find.
    • There is a MASSIVE amount of risk that Biden’s condition deteriorates more rapidly between now and November, and following the convention there is no more backing out.

    If I was a Republican strategist, I’d be doing everything in my power to keep Biden in the race because I know he’d be the weakest opponent compared to a fresh, younger face. Nate Silver, Ezra Klein, even former Obama/Biden staffers from PSA clearly agree.

    Now if you agree with this and you say, “okay I see your points, but how can anyone else do better?” then we’ll move on to that.

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    Here me out: Supreme Court justices, Seal Team 6, official act. You don’t even have to pack the Court any more.

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    The statement:

    The Supreme Court has become consumed by a corruption crisis beyond its control.

    Today’s ruling represents an assault on American democracy. It is up to Congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture.

    I intend on filing articles of impeachment upon our return.

    This is what leadership is, what voters want, and what wins elections.

    Doesn’t matter if it works, it’s trying and highlighting that issues can be fixed. We might not succeed the first time, but we’ll keep fucking trying till we do.

    Put the votes on record and show voters where people stand.

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        Literally has had one minor mis-step with the railroad union strike, telling them to go back to work, and they still got the deal they wanted in the end. She hasn’t just earned my vote for POTUS should she choose to run, but she’s got my full support. Heck, I might start throwing campaign contributions her way if she makes a POTUS try.

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          So, not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

          … those aren’t missteps?

          and they still got the deal they wanted in the end

          Is it in the fucking contract? no? Then they got jack shit.

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            not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

            Conservatives (including Manchin and Sinema) stopped all of that. I hate the Dem party and despise neoliberals (AKA the other conservatives), but conservatives are fully to blame for those specific issues.

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                You don’t get a choice where you get a progressive instead of Manchin. You get Manchin or a far right Republican. I voted for Manchin, for the same reason I voted for Clinton and Biden - they might suck, but holy shit is the alternative WORSE.

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                This thread is about AOC. You forgot which Democratic party figure you were supposed to be railing on in this thread.

                I hope you understand that it will be reflected on your next performance review.

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                  for the record, I think I must have replied to the wrong thing in my notifications. deleted my comment. (however, I do stand by my criticism of Biden. AoC on the other hand would be freaking phenomenal.)

                  (by the way. not a fucking bot. might want to hone that paranoia of yours.)

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            Do you understand how Congress functions? Do you think they’re fucking dukes and duchesses or some shit?

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              You apparently don’t understand the difference between being a dictator and actually getting off your ass to stir up support for something.

              stop acting like biden is powerless because one body of congress is in republican hands. biden is not powerless. If Biden is so powerless to get shit done in congress, how is it he claims credit for the American Recovery Act and the other big ones early term? that’s right. He did some lifting for it. (he was, however, far from the only person, and a lot of people did a lot of heavy lifting to get that done.)

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                Have you seen the Republican Congress?

                Trying to get anything through them is like preschoolers playing Red Rover against the New England Patriots.

                I’m not saying they don’t try. It’s important to try, as long as they immediately call out the opposition at any and every opportunity. And loud. But if it comes from a D, fat chance actually getting it passed.

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              I’m not the one waiving a magic wand thinking Biden is a perfect candidate.

              You are.

              As I’ve said elsewhere, baring Biden himself stepping down it’s suicide for any one to oppose him. So no I’m not going to enter that fucking argument with someone who can’t even see what’s clearly before them.

              Especially considering I’m guessing you give credit for the American recovery act to Biden even as you’d scramble to insist Biden doesn’t have the power to pass law.

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                  firstly, I’m not a bot.

                  Secondly, what I really want is to stop the slow slid into Fascism. Biden is, in my opinion, demonstrably incapable or unwilling of doing that. You’re welcome to share your opinions, and we can have a discussion about it. Though, also in my opinion, you don’t like hearing alternative viewpoints, considering the name calling and accusations.

                  EDIT: Third, I already have. the argument goes no where. Before the primary it was “Save it for the primary,” during the primary it was “Don’t undermine the incumbent, you idiot”, in now its “name your candidate”. in 2019 it was “learn to compromise”. I’m not interestedin the argument because you- or people like you- are unwilling to listen. Biden is problematic. but you’re not going to be able to shore up his election campaign by digging your head in the sand.

                  Other “missteps”? Gaza and Immigration feature prominently, too.

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        AOC will not survive after Trump wins.

        “Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words?”
        The poster bearer cried
        “Listen, son,” said the man with the gun
        “There’s room for you inside”

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        Imagine having a candidate that got more popular after speaking in public…

        We literally haven’t even passed that low of a bar in over a decade. I don’t understand what’s happened to people.

        People as a whole are more politically aware than I’ve ever seen, but we’re just wasting it.

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          We have to undo decades of policy enacted the much longer politically aware and active owner class. They’ve had a head start on us, so it’s going to take tome to dismantle the political machinery they’ve created while minimizing harm done to the rest of us.

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            We actually don’t.

            A single progressive president means they get to name the DNC chair and a bunch of voting positions.

            It’s literally that easy to take over the party.

            Obama just didn’t do it because he didn’t need the party after they turned on him for opposing Hillary.

            If he’d have rebuilt it, we’d have a functional progressive party planning decades ahead already. And trump would still just be that guy from the Mac Miller song. The SC would be a progressive majority. The situation and Gaza wouldn’t have turned into an open genocide, COVID would have been handled appropriately.

            It’s not some insurmountable task, but it gets harder and harder every cycle.

            By all rights we should have had protests in the streets calling for Biden and the DNC leadership to step down for stealing NH’s delagets. But not enough people had crossed their personal lines by then.

            If we’d have had the fight then, we’d have had a full primary almost to figure shit out.

            But we didn’t.

            Until we finally do, shit won’t change.

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                We should have learned that confidence is the one thing you can’t fake. A candidate can be confident for illogical reasons, but that’s still more convincing than being right but not being confident. It creates this weird effect where once people get too smart, they become less decisive and people perceive that as less confident.

                The stereotypical nerd.

                Gore probably would have been a top 10 president. But he couldn’t sell himself to voters just a little more. And if memory recalls, he technically didn’t even have to concede. Like, if he had waited I believe the recounts were actively happening. He didn’t even let it run down to the final vote.

                But I think its important to note not a single Dem Senator challenged it either which would have been even better than Gore challenging it

                Bernie would have most likely, but he wasn’t in yet. Biden could have done it, but he didn’t, same with most of the current Dem leadership.

                So Gore should have planted his feet, and voters should have gotten behind, probably would have. But the party didn’t have Gore’s back either. And Gore wasn’t confident enough to try it without the party.

                It’s crazy how shit comes so close and has such widespread consequences. Just one Dem senator back then dragging it out till a final count would have done it.

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                  Gore probably would have been a top 10 president. But he couldn’t sell himself to voters just a little more. And if memory recalls, he technically didn’t even have to concede. Like, if he had waited I believe the recounts were actively happening. He didn’t even let it run down to the final vote.

                  He pushed right up to the deadline. Like, Bush v Gore was decided literally hours before the state deadline to certify the vote.

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              We’ve had this sort of situation before, FDR was radically progressive on a lot of policy decisions, he made great strides ad pulling us out of the Great Depression, leading us through world war 2, dramatically reduced the wealth disparity and was so popular with the voting public he was elected 4 times. Then the politically connected wanted to make sure that kind of presidency never happened again, so they paid to get the political machinery altered to suit their needs, term limits were introduced, influential think tanks were created to push favorable public policy and install favorable political assets, launched propaganda campaigns to sway public perception and consolidated economic power.

              I agree that a single properly progressive president can do a lot to make things better, and a president who actually wields power can make some very important structural changes within the political party but it doesn’t disassemble the political machinery that led us to our current situation in the first place. It doesn’t disassemble the vast propaganda networks and think tanks, it doesn’t stop the flow of dark money into politician pockets. All these positive changes can be undone if the next guy that comes in is a shitbag.

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            During the Hillary vs Bernie times, I was talking with a Bernie supporter in a bar. He told me that the establishment Dems/DNC would promote Hitler himself before they promote an anti-establishment candidate.

            Back then I thought he was a case of mentally sick person making it to the bar and having too much drink. As time passes I agree with him more and more.

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          Imagine having a candidate that got more popular after speaking in public…

          We literally haven’t even passed that low of a bar in over a decade. I don’t understand what’s happened to people.

          I’d be happy if we just had an administration where no one in the DOJ, State Department or Cabinet quits in disgust. The last time that happened was what, Bush Sr.?

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          During the Hillary vs Bernie times, I was talking with a Bernie supporter in a bar. He told me that the establishment Dems/DNC would promote Hitler himself before they promote an anti-establishment candidate.

          Back then I thought he was a case of mentally sick person making it to the bar and having too much drink. As time passes I agree with him more and more.

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            We have a party entirely dedicated to the ownership class with literally 0 internal conflict, and we have a party almost entirely dedicated to the ownership class with some internal conflict (the squad.)

            What we don’t have is a party that gives one solitary fuck about the labor class and actively fights those that get too close to real power. The squad is a useful token to point to and say “see we aren’t all corpo fascists! We allowed them to exist!” (Because there’s only like 5 of them so they have no power whatsoever)

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        I want AOC with vice president Bernie.

        That man may be in his final years of politics, and perhaps too old to be at the helm, but dammit, he deserves it.

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          I saw him speak the other day and he was totally with it. Like that super old person who lives to be 120 and is sharp as fuck right until their body gives up, but until then they are firy and physically fit.

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      That’s the thing though, with the Republicans in charge there will NEVER be a vote on this. They won’t allow it.

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        The minority party has seized control by eroding the foundation of democracy. The sad part is that most people don’t even realize how fucked we are.

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        Yeah. But it’s provocative, it gets the people going.

        That translates to more voters and more small donors.

        Two things that are kind of important 4 months before a general election.

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          People will call this sort of thing performative since the legislation will be dead in the water, but you’re spot on. An important part of politics is virtue signaling. You’re telling your supporters what you stand for and that you’re at least trying.

          Whether it’s progressive or moderates doing so, it’s an important political tool, and sometimes the only tool at their disposal. Showing people you’re willing to fight, even if you know you’re going to lose, is a big deal.

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      And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing. There’s literally no other way to win here if somebody else steps in. Sad that people try to do good in their job as a public representative for their people, and just fucking can’t.

      Edit to say: don’t just take my word for it. Ask Bernie Sanders. Did he win the presidency at some point? I just must have…,…

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        And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing

        Imagine saying that after Obama flipped a bunch of red states and brought in a shit ton of down ballot races.

        AOC is polarizing, but not as much as Obama and it’s easier the second time around.

        Hell, no body even really mentioned Biden being Catholic in 1988. You should have seen the shit they said about JFK. And similar time-frames passed between.

        And strictly police wise, the country is a lot more open to progressive policy than in 08, and again, everyone said Obama was too “polarizing” right up till election results.

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          I will vote for her so hard given the chance. Unfortunately, I’m still just one vote. I want to agree with you, but I’m not sure I can. I’d sure love to see her give it a real run, with a DNC that supporter her and didn’t drag her to the center or actively undercut her primary chances.

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          It’s because Obama was polarizing, but he sold himself as progressive convincingly

          He literally ran on the promise of change - unfortunately his actions were firmly neo liberal, and he prioritized compromise over meaningful reform

          If Obama was a neo liberal in progressive clothing, Clinton was a diehard neo liberal from top to bottom.

          Unfortunately, the lesson learned was “people don’t like Hillary” rather than “people want a real progressive”

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            I don’t understand your point… Obama won two presidential elections in a row. It would seem as though that "selling himself as a progressive convincingly worked out pretty well for him id say.

            So you’re saying that the people want a progressive candidate, but the Dems would, at most, give us the option of someone who sells themselves as progressive but is an actual neo-liberal?

            Oh, maybe I do get it after all. I was going to say that Gore was pretty progressive and did technically win, but that was 25 years agola

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          There be the facts, friend. It’s just how it works right now. Any time you figure out a better system you can get implemented, I’m all ears.

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            There be the facts, friend. It’s just how it works right now

            What?

            Literally what’s how what works?

            Any time you figure out a better system you can get implemented, I’m all ears.

            Fair and open primaries, mate.

            I’ve been saying it since NH had their delegates stolen.

            Well, this cycle, almost a decade now in total. This ain’t exactly a new problem, and it’s not like no one can think of a solution.

            It’s just not easy beating corporate money in primaries until enough Dem voters demand the party sets higher standards. And most people only pay atteyonce every 4 years, then they’re too exhausted to care about politics.

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          Because entrenched Democrats are under a ridiculous belief that everyone who isn’t voting for them is conservative. So if you spout “extreme” leftist ideals, you’re too scary to the people they are courting, which is conservative voters who aren’t Trumplicans.

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          Repubs have spent decades feeding propaganda to their fear-addicted voting base. And they’re still squawking away with Fox and Sinclair. I’d love to see her run but I’m not certain it would be successful.

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        because she’s too polarizing.

        She shares a lot of views with Bernie Sanders, and Berni would almost surely have defeated Trump where Hillary failed.
        As I see it, she is not nearly as polarizing as Trump. The only ones strongly against her, are probably extreme Christians and Nazis.

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            That doesn’t really make her polarizing, that’s just the right wing media treating her unfairly, as they do with every progressive Democrat, except a bit more, because she is popular.

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              No, it makes her polarizing because the viewers of certain media thinks she’s a fucking liberal who will literally sweep your house, take you gums, sell them, and give the profit to "illegals’.

              This was a literal interpretation about her from ImfoWars. It’s a fucking thing. She won’t win.

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                People who follow infowars are already radicalized, and will say any moderate is polarizing. They want a Fuhrer, they want to exterminate LGBT and colored people. Their opinion is irrelevant, because there is no talking sense to those people. Just see how the MAGA people threw a fit, because their house leader “compromised” after 8 months of negotiating, and getting everything they asked for!!!
                They are beyond reach, and they are the ones polarizing, not rational sensible people like AOC, that actually tries to make life better for most people.

                If not only wanting to do things for the rich, the white and Christians, makes you polarizing, then a polarizing candidate is the only reasonable option.

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                Literally, anyone who threatens the interests served by right-wing media is going to see themselves transformed into a bogeyman by right-wing media. That’s how it works. That AOC is “polarizing” according to them is because of the threat she poses to them. If you’re letting right-wing media define the boundaries of who is an acceptable candidate, you will never defeat them.

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                That is why she’d be so successful. She’d give them strokes. She’d get constant media coverage. They would give her so much publicity the news would always be about her. She’s good looking and talks well. She’d look badass in the White House.

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          Republicans boosted Sanders, not because they liked him. But because they knew it would, and did divide their opposition for the next decade or more. Had Sanders gotten the nomination. They’d have smeared him worse than Clinton.

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            That’s the thing about Bernie. He’s hard to smear. Unlike, “my husband cheated on me while serving as President” Hillary. You’re delusional.

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              The fact that they didn’t take the time to really try to smear him doesn’t mean he’s hard to smear. There were a lot of accusations that could have gotten a lot of play Propaganda wise. Like him and his wife honeymooning in Russia. That got bare minimal play during the campaign because it was much more handy to keep the Democrats divided. In fact I think it was probably Democrats that pointed that out. But since they don’t directly control the messaging machine. And the people who do did not want that message out it didn’t get out.

              Just to point this out to you since you seem to not understand. Smears don’t have to be true. Often they aren’t. All you need to smear someone successfully is a consistent message driven into them.

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        You must be quite young. Everything you are saying about AOC was said, word for word, for Obama. Obama still won.

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        I really don’t think that’s true. People said the same with Obama, and he really never faced that in voters, the GOP was viciously attacking him and it never stuck. There is a stage big enough, that the most vicious attackers do get lost in the crowd.

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          Yup, never stuck. They won all the mid terms during his administration handily. Maintaining super majorities in Congress the whole time. Nope, they were never ever shellacked (Obamas phrasing) in the midterms over “obamacare”. No matter how you phrased it obamacare or ACA the publics approval was always the same they adored it right?

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        And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing.

        She’ll never make it through the primaries because she’s a progressive.

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        Bernie would have won (according to polls) if the DNC hadn’t sabotaged him at every turn. Too polarizing? No, just too left for the Democrats.

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        She’s not polarising. The oligarchy controlled media that constantly paint her as some kind of radical are polarising.

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            Obama was that bogeyman from 2008 to 2016. Considering that he won two elections during that time, I don’t think Fox News is really relevant to AOC.

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            Have you seen what they say about Joe Biden?

            They’d call trump Joseph Stalin if there was a D by his name.

            It literally doesn’t matter how progressive a candidate we run, because they’ll say the same shit about anyone.

            Moderates try to defend and talk about how conservative they really are. Alienating their voters. AOC would fucking own that shit and explain how it helps everyone.

            What we’re doing isn’t working. And Biden himself keeps saying he’s powerless as president, so why not fucking try what worked for literal decades and there was no rational reason we ever stopped?

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        IMHO, the only reason she’s “polarizing” is because the right has chosen to run a smear campaign on her. People like her are a threat to them. She’s young, smart, and charming. She’s like Obama once was, only she’s even younger than he was. She’s still a year too young to run.

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          the right has chosen to run a smear campaign on her

          And they run smear campaigns on EVERYONE with a D in front of their name, regardless of how far to the left they actually are. Democrats are playing a losing game by worrying about how the Republican media are going to portray them.

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            Just saying that she has extra appeal and potential, so that why she gets extra attention by the right wing media.

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          Their screaming means nothing anymore. Conservative media will panic-attack absolutely anyone who runs against the GOP with the exact same extreme deception and conspiracy theories.

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    This is the sane and rational thing to do. Look forward to seeing what comes of it, keep fighting AOC!

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      Short of federal troops literally kicking down doors as oFFiCiAl aCtS it won’t happen. The Republicans want their dictatorship and they’re not going to vote against it.

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    Why does Biden not simply EAT the Justices as an Official Presidential Act?

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      Because eating poisonous animals is dangerous and we all know that Thomas and Kavanaugh have the most toxic blood possible while being able to pass as human from a medical point of view.

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      It’s ok, the the president can now just have them assassinated as a defence of the constitution.

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        Blatant misinformation and a fundamental lack of understanding of the ruling. Nothing changed. President cannot commit a crime and say it was in official capacity. Obviously.

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          “Official capacity” has not been defined yet so we don’t know what the limits are. We will have to wait and see.

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            I can’t believe how many (I don’t know, shills?) there are about this.

            I’m not American, I’m sitting out side, looking in, and watching the USA become a fascist dictatorship, and I’m terrified.

            Every other democracy’s right wing looks up to the USA for inspiration for their own fascist agenda.

            If this all goes sideways from Americans, we’re following shortly afterwards.

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              And you have all the reasons to be terrified, the US in case of a Trump victory will either:

              a) Go isolationist, dissolve the NATO, then let the power vacuum to be filled by Russia and China (one is better than the other), all while a big ultranationalist movement will claim to fix the issues.

              b) Make whatever insanity Trump’s christofascist call “morals” into the global standards for human rights, heavily censor the internet, etc.

              A second Trump victory will have dire consequences for the rest of the world.

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          If the President can communicate with the DoJ or VP, even about doing something illegal or as part of some illegal scheme and be immune to prosecution because being in contact with the VP and DoJ are part of his duties, why would talking to the CIA to ask them to “retire” SCOTUS justices not be an official act that’s immune to prosecution?

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            Does that immunity ruling also apply to the VP? If yes, then Kamala Harris can do a few things, all she needs is a fully loaded handgun.

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              Shooting political rivals probably isn’t an official act, but presumably he could ask, she could shoot and he could pardon and I think it would be untouchable?

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    She wont be able to do anything. The reason supreme court decided to move forward with this decision is because they are 100% confident that Trump will win presidency and republicans will control both the house and the Senate. After seeing Biden in the last debate, I believe they are right.

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    Articles of impeachment is fine as this process stinks and I think this court failed, but we really, long-term, we need a constitutional amendment to make it clear that this is not okay.

    I love the constitution, wonderful framework, but it needs the following amendments:

    1. Anti-corruption measures on the judiciary (looking at you Thomas). Provide some teeth to enforce recusal and avoid conflicts of interest.

    2. Term limits for justices and age limits on all elected/appointed officials at the highest level (justices, pres/VP, congress). Tie those to either the retirement age or a percentage of life expectancy (as we get older as a society, and work into our later years, federal officials should be able to remain longer too).

    3. Divestment requirements for all federal elected and appointed officials. i.e. no more insider trading, sorry.

    4. Replace the electoral college with a popular vote.

    5. Replace the filibuster with nothing. Fuck that thing. Let the legislators legislate. If, whatever it is, is a bad idea, it’ll be shown to be a bad idea and the next congress will fix it. This is especially important now that Chevron is no more. The court just replaced rules created by executive offices with the most dysfunctional branch of government (congress) without any prospect of undysfuctionalizing themselves.

    6. Congress shouldn’t be allowed to block supreme court justices without a vote. Once they are announced, they have X days to approve/deny or they are auto-approved.

    7. (edit) I can’t believe this has to be done, but the President is not above the law. The president must follow the law while in office, following “official acts” or not. This is a fucking democracy, not a dictatorship.

    While I know there are other ways to approach a lot of these and those ways are easier is not the point of my post. These are things that the constitution is currently WRONG about and it should just be fixed.

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      1. Yes please.

      2. The way you framed this is dangerous as conservatives already want to eliminate retirement so everyone who is not rich has to be a wage slave until death. This just gives them incentive.

      3. You will just create a shell game. Their spouses or children or cousins will just suddenly become amazing at trading. Or that weird company that incorporated in the Maldives with Fred Flintstone and Betty Boop as the board of directors will be doing weirdly well, but be out of the reach of the DoJ.

        • Ranked Choice voting, fixed that for ya.
      4. This one I have mixed feelings on. The spirit of the filibuster is good. Its purpose is to allow a minority, or even a single legislator, who feels so strongly about a proposed law to actually fight it. This purpose has been perverted, obviously, but that purpose is important for a truely functioning democracy. The ability for someone who actually sees something nobody else does to pump the brakes is vital. That said, I do believe there need to be severe consequences to doing what is effectively trying to break the legislative process over your knee. Personally, I believe that it should be the nuclear option. If you break that glass, you nuke your whole career in the process. No person who utilizes the filibuster is allowed to hold ANY public office for the rest of their life. Anyone who signs on as a supporter is allowed to hold federal office. Period. If you feel SO strongly that the passing of a law is either abhorrent to your beliefs or is fundamentally flawed in a way that will forever scar our way of life that you feel it is necessary to pull the emergency cord, then you need to have that cord available.

      5. Yeah, and voting is mandatory. I’m not sure if I would allow abstention, but your ass has to mark something down for sure.

      6. I hate that this has to be listed as well. 😮‍💨

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        1. fair point, agreed. I typically like things that move with changing times so the same logic works in 100, 200 years. Ages are more static than dollar amounts. Not tying the gas tax or minimum wage to inflation or cost of living has put us in a major bind, which is what I was thinking about.

        2. Let them play that game (and hopefully get caught). Better than the in-the-open shit they do now. At least try

        3. I’d rather it not specify so we can play around changing it with laws instead of having it hard coded in the constitution. There are ones that I like even more than straight ranked choice. Just get rid of the EC, though maybe just dictating ranked choice would be the right move.

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        This is a “should happen” list not a “will happen” or “could happen” list. No delusions here, just felt good to say it out loud, given today’s news. I’d also take that unicorn. My kids would go bananas.

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        General Mills added unicorn marbits in 2018, so this sounds appropriate!